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Trump fails to commit to Paris climate agreement as he concludes first overseas trip

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Winston said:
The U.S. should not fall behind the world, with regards to Climate Change. China and India have recently stepped up efforts to combat Climate Change.

So, the well-worn excuse of, "nobody else is stepping up" does not give the U.S. a free pass to do the wrong thing too.

This is an argument that could be settled by a playground aide. Jimmy and Jeffy are punching people in the face. So that means Andy can punch people in the face too, right?
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We're already so far ahead of most of the rest of the world that it's pathetic. Yes, we all know that you can cherry-pick facts to "prove" that we're not, but all you have to do is look at the list of the most polluted places in the world to know that we're already far ahead of most of the world. So what you have isn't the crap analogy you're using, it's putting Andy in detention because Jimmy and Jeffy are bullies.

Mapped: The world's most polluted countries
 
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Cardinal said:
The results of the "dangerous" part have already manifested. In just five months, we've ceded massive ground in global leadership. The question is what a world and the United States look like without American leadership or participation.
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How so specifically?
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, bubba. :2wave:

Perhaps if Angela Merkel felt as strongly about Germany abiding by their promise to pay their share of the cost to the US of defending their country from aggression as she does on the Paris Deal on climate change, I'd be willing to listen to her arguments. So far, however, America is expected to keep them safe - on our dime? WTH? When did we become "Daddy Warbucks" to everyone who wants our money, which is paid for by hard-working taxpayers in this Country! :bs: Let them finance their own military to protect themselves, and we'll see how the taxpayers in their country like that idea! Enough is enough! :2mad:
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If it about the U.S saving money then you should know exactly how much we will save if all NATO Countries pony up. So tell me how much we will cut our defense budget. I don't think this has anything to do with money.
 
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faithful_servant said:
This IS American leadership. It's leading the world away from pointless economic destruction. Just because we're not leading the world down a path you like, doesn't mean we're not still leading.
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Leading like an ostrich with its head in the sand is not leading.
 
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faithful_servant said:
This IS American leadership. It's leading the world away from pointless economic destruction. Just because we're not leading the world down a path you like, doesn't mean we're not still leading.
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You didn't answer the question, so thanks for another garbage post from another trump supporter.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
How so specifically?
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Are you afraid that if you read the OP you'll spontaneously combust?
 
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Cardinal said:
You didn't answer the question, so thanks for another garbage post from another trump supporter.
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It has been answered, to some extent anyhow. The problem seems is that you are unable to decide whether the problem of the obnoxiousness by Americans of expecting to lead the world is greater than the problems of Americans not leading the world.
 
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Athanasius68 said:
It has been answered,
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You didn't answer the question, because the question is completely over your head. You no longer need to share.

Athanasius68 said:
to some extent anyhow. The problem seems is that you are unable to decide whether the problem of the obnoxiousness by Americans of expecting to lead the world is greater than the problems of Americans not leading the world.
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Cardinal said:
You didn't answer the question, because the question is completely over your head. You no longer need to share.
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The world part was answered--- a continuation of what has been seen during the Obama Admin in the Mideast, western pacific, Eastern Europe. Merkel's comments ought be looked at in that context.

What was not answered was what a withdrawal from the world means for the USA. Which is kind of broad anyhow. Talking politically, economically, socially.
 
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Cardinal said:
Are you afraid that if you read the OP you'll spontaneously combust?
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It's telling of those who don't think for themselves, that when you ask them to specify factually what they claim, or posted on, they have no intellectual answer and refer you vaguely to an article they posted. On a discussion forum, the free thinking individual could easilly have rattled off a response to my inquiry. The true believer, not so much.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
It's telling of those who
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Okay, so you really didn't read the OP. You are dismissed.
 
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What a disgrace.

Syria and Nicaragua are the only two countries are not in the Paris Accord.... yes, even North Korea signed.

This is a disaster, plain and simple.
 
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Cardinal said:
Okay, so you really didn't read the OP. You are dismissed.
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Running away from a simple request is not a dismissal on my part, but a retreat on yours. Try thinking for yourself instead of regurgitating leftist garbage sometime. ;)
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Running away --
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You can always tell if someone has read the OP after being challenged on it by how they respond to that challenge. He'll always try to turn it around on on the other poster or go into some pointless rant. You did both.

So again, you are dismissed.
 
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Cardinal said:
You can always tell if someone has read the OP after being challenged on it by how they respond to that challenge. He'll always try to turn it around on on the other poster or go into some pointless rant. You did both.

So again, you are dismissed.
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yes, i challenged you to tell me in your own words, to specify examples in your opinion. you ran away. I wasn't expecting more from you. so you can call your little tail tuck retreat anything you want.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
yes, i challenged you to tell me in your own words, to specify examples in your opinion. you ran away. I wasn't expecting more from you. so you can call your little tail tuck retreat anything you want.
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And to that I say, "Read the OP."

If your course of action from here on out is to not read the OP, then don't respond further to me.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
You mean the very same gas you and every animal on this planet exhale? That gas. The one that makes up less than a fraction of a percent of the total gas on this planet by volume or weight? That gas? Yes CO2 maybe a green house gas. In sufficient volume and certain situations it can act as an insulator and absorber or reflector. How does that make me the fool and you the intelligent one again? You might want to find a school that actually teaches science, and learn some.
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PirateMk1 said:
I work will engineers on my projects and they tend to be quite skeptical, especially after they have perused some of the research the ICC relied on. I believed they called the people who presented that research scam artists or used car salesmen. I tend to not use YouTube for this sort of stuff but stick to journals. The rawest take you can get is best for this type of stuff.
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PirateMk1 said:
Yes was easy for me. Thank you for serving me a softball to slam home. Look it up with Bill Nye or whatever other science person you listen but even they are going to tell you this, you exhale CO2 after inhaling O2. By the way that potted plant breathes what you exhale so if you want it to grow better, breath on it.

Just so I can rub it in here is some reading material to school you on the science of breathing. You must have missed it in school.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breathing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_system

Enjoy. :mrgreen:

PS Plants just love CO2. The more the merrier. They literally eat that **** right up.
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Your arguments sound like the same stupid bull**** that Midgley used to justify lead poisoning the entire surface of the planet for money.
 
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When you get down to it, President Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping put this deal together. If the US drops out, China will seize the global climate lead. 300 US companies have strongly urged Trump to remain in the Paris agreement. Why? Because they realize that (1) the US will now have no say in global emission regulations that will affect their facilities in the broader world and (2) clean energy will be the driver of far greater future earnings than fossil fuels. In the past fifteen years, the solar energy industry has doubled seven times over. The wind industry has doubled four times over.

Even if Trump doesn't believe in modern climate science, his Paris pull-out decision makes little sense from an economic standpoint which, so he claims, is his number one priority. The US will be losing green jobs which stunts the economy, fall behind on green technology, and cede global climate leadership to economic rival China. I can only surmise that this is a political (vote conscious) decision by Trump to placate his base. The irony is, new green jobs and industry could help revitalize the dying coal and rust belt regions across the US.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
When you get down to it, President Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping put this deal together. If the US drops out, China will seize the global climate lead. 300 US companies have strongly urged Trump to remain in the Paris agreement. Why? Because they realize that (1) the US will now have no say in global emission regulations that will affect their facilities in the broader world and (2) clean energy will be the driver of far greater future earnings than fossil fuels. In the past fifteen years, the solar energy industry has doubled seven times over. The wind industry has doubled four times over.

Even if Trump doesn't believe in modern climate science, his Paris pull-out decision makes little sense from an economic standpoint which, so he claims, is his number one priority. The US will be losing green jobs which stunts the economy, fall behind on green technology, and cede global climate leadership to economic rival China. I can only surmise that this is a political (vote conscious) decision by Trump to placate his base. The irony is, new green jobs and industry could help revitalize the dying coal and rust belt regions across the US.
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Obama's green jobs fiasco..
Obama-backed green energy failures leave taxpayers with $2.2 billion tab, audit finds - Washington Times


Spain green jobs fiasco
Spain Admits ?Green Jobs? Program A Disaster – IOTW Report

Germany drops renwable subsidies...
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dail...votes-to-abandon-most-green-energy-subsidies/

The Paris Climate Accord is a remnant of the last administration as is the fallacy of " green jobs " created via stilulus or any other reason for that matter

Obama's not the President anymore, and Hillary couldnt cut it in the General election so now Trumps President and like all that came before him he will and SHOULD implement his own agenda regardless of the outcry from the people who havent processed the results of te election yet
 
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Fenton said:
Obama's green jobs fiasco..
Obama-backed green energy failures leave taxpayers with $2.2 billion tab, audit finds - Washington Times


Spain green jobs fiasco
Spain Admits ?Green Jobs? Program A Disaster – IOTW Report

Germany drops renwable subsidies...
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dail...votes-to-abandon-most-green-energy-subsidies/

The Paris Climate Accord is a remnant of the last administration as is the fallacy of " green jobs " created via stilulus or any other reason for that matter

Obama's not the President anymore, and Hillary couldnt cut it in the General election so now Trumps President and like all that came before him he will and SHOULD implement his own agenda regardless of the outcry from the people who havent processed the results of te election yet
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Old history. You and Trump probably still use filament bulbs.

Solar energy jobs double in 5 years

The number of solar jobs in the U.S. has more than doubled in five years. In fact, there are more people working in solar now than at oil rigs and in gas fields. The solar industry added 35,000 jobs in 2015, up 20% from the previous year. In contrast, oil and gas firms slashed nearly 17,000 extraction jobs in 2015 as energy prices continue to plummet. There are about 209,000 solar energy employees in the U.S. They include solar panel installers, designers, engineers, sales folks and managers. Today, the solar industry workforce is bigger than that of oil and gas construction, and nearly three times the size of the entire coal mining workforce. Solar installers are making $21 an hour on average, up 5% from a year ago, or double the national average
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As long as the flat-earth Trump is president, America will suck hind-tit on the solar and green energy revolution. A revolution that's here to stay.

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Rogue Valley said:
Old history. You and Trump probably still use filament bulbs.

Solar energy jobs double in 5 years



As long as the flat-earth Trump is president, America will suck hind-tit on the solar and green energy revolution. A revolution that's here to stay.

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More Left wing lies and just outright bull****

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2017/05/25/renewable-jobs-claims-based-on-deception-false-comparisons/2/

Counting Solar Jobs Vs Oil and Gas Jobs

" For solar jobs, Hoffman references data reported by the solar power industry. I looked up and found the Solar Foundation paper Hoffman references. What Hoffman defines as “workers” who are “employed” by the U.S. solar industry are actually defined by the Solar Foundation as jobs which the solar industry “supports.” The Solar Foundation liberally defines jobs “supported” by the solar power industry as to include every component on the solar industry chain, plus additional jobs like lawyers, lobbyists, public relations professionals, government employees overseeing the solar power industry, permitting officers, plumbers, electricians, salesmen, land acquisition specialists, and financiers."

" For natural gas jobs, by comparison, Hoffman limits his definition to “workers employed directly in oil and natural gas extraction.” Hoffman does not include lawyers, lobbyists, public relations professionals, government oversight employees, permitting officers, plumbers, electricians, salesmen, land acquisition specialists, and financiers, as he does for the solar power industry. Even more importantly, he does not include construction workers who build natural gas power plants, workers who operate natural gas power plants, workers who survey and find natural gas deposits, workers who build equipment for natural gas power plants, etc."
 
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I am excited...

I am excited to see Europe get on board with fighting climate change.

I am excited to see them ramp up their 'renewable' energy capacity, to watch their electricity prices grow and grow beyond any other first-world nations, see businesses leave their economies for places with cheaper energy, and all this even as they increase their carbon emissions.

I am excited at the prospects of Europe continuing its downward spiral of stupidity while the US, where I live, maintains its economic advantages, uses cheap energy to increase the standard of living, works to wrest control of world energy markets from the hands of oppressive theocracies, and reduces our carbon footprint as we do.

I am excited...
 
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Cardinal said:
And to that I say, "Read the OP."

If your course of action from here on out is to not read the OP, then don't respond further to me.
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I did. I asked your opinion. here we are.
 
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Trump SHOULD do what Obama wouldnt do...package this as a treaty and send it to the Senate. Obama's actions are indicative of our failure of government. The President essentially has become king, ruling by Executive Order. Thats NOT the presidents fault...its the fault of a weak and failing congress. One of the (many) problems with governing by EO is that the term of the EO only lasts as long as the term of the Presidet that signs them.
 
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