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Fox News Poll: Trump approval down, voters support special counsel on Russial

Chomsky said:
Yeah.

He and the Repubs have to cut government services to the people, so they can pay for tax cuts to the wealthy and their corporations.
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Which ends "For the good of the great unwashed masses"....finish the job.

An idea that refuses to die despite never working, but considering we are on our fourth decade of the plan let's not be blaming Trump for it MKay?
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Which ends "For the good of the great unwashed masses"....finish the job.

An idea that refuses to die despite never working, but considering we are on our third decade of the plan let's not be blaming Trump for it MKay?
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At least you agree it doesn't work.

But not blame Trump? It's his budget, his platform! Why would I not blame him?

But we shall see. Every time the GOP have done this, the rich get richer, the middle class gets poorer and shrinks, and the deficit flies off the hooks for the next generation to pay. Didn't work under Reagan. Didn't work under Bush.

They way to stimulate the economy is put money into the hands of the consumer, the middle class. Give the middle-class tax cuts, and they buy all kinds of things, including cars and houses, and that stimulates job growth. Give money to the fat cats and it goes into paper investments that get invested all over the world. They don't buy more 'cuz they already have all they need, so they accrue more capital and bank it offshore to avoid the taxman.

I believe Trump is going to do or try to do small things to help, and they may help slightly, but it's not going to ameliorate the damage the tax cuts will cause in terms of reduced services and increased deficit and debt.

Just remember his budget is based upon a 3% growth rate, and it still runs a deficit while cutting services big-time. Real growth this year is likely going to be 2% or so, meaning his deficit is going to be much larger. But the loss of revenue due to tax cuts will still be there. IOW, we'll be broker, more in debt, but getting less. Except for one tiny group of Americans just like Trump. They will get more (as usual since the Reagan years).
 
Chomsky said:
At least you agree it doesn't work.

But not blame Trump? It's his budget, his platform! Why would I not blame him?

But we shall see. Every time the GOP have done this, the rich get richer, the middle class gets poorer and shrinks, and the deficit flies off the hooks for the next generation to pay. Didn't work under Reagan. Didn't work under Bush.

They way to stimulate the economy is put money into the hands of the consumer, the middle class. Give the middle-class tax cuts, and they buy all kinds of things, including cars and houses, and that stimulates job growth. Give money to the fat cats and it goes into paper investments that get invested all over the world. They don't buy more 'cuz they already have all they need, so they accrue more capital and bank it offshore to avoid the taxman.

I believe Trump is going to do or try to do small things to help, and they may help slightly, but it's not going to ameliorate the damage the tax cuts will cause in terms of reduced services and increased deficit and debt.

Just remember his budget is based upon a 3% growth rate, and it still runs a deficit while cutting services big-time. Real growth this year is likely going to be 2% or so, meaning his deficit is going to be much larger. But the loss of revenue due to tax cuts will still be there. IOW, we'll be broker, more in debt, but getting less. Except for one tiny group of Americans just like Trump. They will get more (as usual since the Reagan years).
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I think that the budget is irrelevant where the rubber meets the road, because getting him impeached is the only goal that matters, but there are days I wish he had hijacked the D party instead.

Budget day is one.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Where does liking Trump 5/25/17 fit on you crazy scale generally?
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I can actually understand why some people voted for him.

What I don't understand is why you believe your brain is contraband...unless there are serious drugs involved. Which give the rest of what you say may well be true actually.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I think that the budget is irrelevant where the rubber meets the road, because getting him impeached is the only goal that matters, but there are days I wish he had hijacked the D party instead.
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Well said.

I wish he ran as a D too, and if he stayed more as the old Trump before the R's got him twisted, I may even have been able to vote for him - *if* he dropped the assholishness.

I really do think the GOP and Bannon led him down a rabbit hole.

I also don't think he's going to get successfully impeached. For a multitude of reasons. But it's always possible.
 
Chomsky said:
Well said.

I wish he ran as a D too, and if he stayed more as the old Trump before the R's got him twisted, I may even have been able to vote for him - *if* he dropped the assholishness.

I really do think the GOP and Bannon led him down a rabbit hole.

I also don't think he's going to get successfully impeached. For a multitude of reasons. But it's always possible.
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Going WWE was a mistake, you will get no argument from me.
 
Mycroft said:
Another bogus poll. (why am I not surprised)

Sampling:

Democrats: 45%

Republicans: 38%

Independents/Other: 18% :shock:

Only useful idiots give this poll any credibility. Rejected!
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No, you made that up.
 
Chomsky said:
"American voters disagree with President Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey, think the dismissal was for self-serving reasons, and approve of a special counsel being appointed to investigate Russian government efforts to influence the election and the Trump campaign. In addition, a majority opposes the Republican plan to replace Obamacare.

That’s according to a new Fox News Poll of registered voters nationwide.

The last month took a toll on the president’s ratings. The poll finds 40 percent of voters approve of the job Trump is doing, down from 45 percent last month. Disapproval is up 5 points to 53 percent.

Some of the drop in approval comes from Republicans, as just 81 percent approve of the president. GOP approval had been between 84-87 percent during Trump’s first three months in office. Plus, his approval among whites without a college degree went from 62 percent last month to 53 percent now. Working-class whites were a key voting bloc for him in the election (66 percent backed Trump according to the Fox News Exit Poll)."

Source Article: Fox News Poll: Trump approval down, voters support special counsel on Russial

Source Poll: Fox News Poll: May 24, 2017

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Despite the article's headline and the paragraphs I excerpted above showcasing the hot-button media topics de jour, there's actually a lot of interesting additional details in this article, possibly even more interesting considering it's a conservative pro-Trump source.

One that strikes me is the fall in the President's approval amongst non-college educated (working-class) Caucasians from 62% to 53%. Another, while still pretty solid, is a slip in the President's support from a high of 87% to a current 81% amongst Republicans.

Somewhat surprisingly to me, almost half of the Republicans (46%) approve of a special counsel to investigate Trump, but then surprising me in the other direction 56% believe Trump was reasonable in sharing intelligence with the Russians!

Also perhaps a sign of concern for the President's re-election prospects, the President's support amongst Indies fell from 42% to 34%. Trump received 46% of the Indie vote in 2016.

But there are some positives for Mr. Trump: 90% of the Trump supporters and 84% of the Republicans believe the current turbulence is "what change feels like".

There's also more in the way of general economics and foreign policy that's pretty interesting, showing that despite the media gloom & political brouhaha the mood of the country is getting more positive in general terms - particularly economically.

Enjoy!
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One of the biggest reasons for the drop is independents. At the end of January independents approved of Trump 40/34 with the rest in the unsure or undecided column. Today using RCP averages, not just one poll those numbers have dropped to 36/48 approval/disapproval among independents. This doesn't surprise me. It should have been expected by all.

I think the high approval numbers at the end of January were nothing more than the non-affiliated giving Trump a chance. Even then 26% of independents were on the fence, unsure, undecided. Today 16% are undecided. Trump never had independents, they never liked him to begin with. Sure, Trump won the independent vote last November 46-42 over Clinton. But 54% of all independents disliked both major party candidates. 67% of all independents disliked Trump while 70% disliked Clinton. So Trump won the independent vote, not that they liked him or wanted him to win. Trump was just a bit less disliked than Clinton. Without Clinton around, the dislike factor is coming back into play and is beginning to show up in the polls in the disapproval numbers of Trump. Watch for them to go higher and higher as more independents come off the fence.
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!

I made nothing up. The OP provided the link. I read it. It's all right there.

Fox News Poll: May 24, 2017 | Fox News
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These numbers are interesting:

1. Do you approve or disapprove of the job Donald Trump is doing as president? [IF
APPROVE / DISAPPROVE: Is that strongly (approve/disapprove), or only somewhat?]

Approve Disapprove (Don’t know)21-23 May 17 40% 53 7 23-25 Apr 17 45% 48 7 12-14 Mar 17 43% 51 6 11-13 Feb 17 48% 47 6


21-23 May 17

Strongly approve 28% Somewhat approve 12 Somewhat disapprove 8 Strongly disapprove 46 (Don’t know) 7

Trump stays at 40 or just under almost all the time except for an outlier or two.

It seems as if the American electorate is simply waiting for the other shoe to fall.
 
Chomsky said:
"American voters disagree with President Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey, think the dismissal was for self-serving reasons, and approve of a special counsel being appointed to investigate Russian government efforts to influence the election and the Trump campaign. In addition, a majority opposes the Republican plan to replace Obamacare.

That’s according to a new Fox News Poll of registered voters nationwide.

The last month took a toll on the president’s ratings. The poll finds 40 percent of voters approve of the job Trump is doing, down from 45 percent last month. Disapproval is up 5 points to 53 percent.

Some of the drop in approval comes from Republicans, as just 81 percent approve of the president. GOP approval had been between 84-87 percent during Trump’s first three months in office. Plus, his approval among whites without a college degree went from 62 percent last month to 53 percent now. Working-class whites were a key voting bloc for him in the election (66 percent backed Trump according to the Fox News Exit Poll)."

Source Article: Fox News Poll: Trump approval down, voters support special counsel on Russial

Source Poll: Fox News Poll: May 24, 2017

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Despite the article's headline and the paragraphs I excerpted above showcasing the hot-button media topics de jour, there's actually a lot of interesting additional details in this article, possibly even more interesting considering it's a conservative pro-Trump source.

One that strikes me is the fall in the President's approval amongst non-college educated (working-class) Caucasians from 62% to 53%. Another, while still pretty solid, is a slip in the President's support from a high of 87% to a current 81% amongst Republicans.

Somewhat surprisingly to me, almost half of the Republicans (46%) approve of a special counsel to investigate Trump, but then surprising me in the other direction 56% believe Trump was reasonable in sharing intelligence with the Russians!

Also perhaps a sign of concern for the President's re-election prospects, the President's support amongst Indies fell from 42% to 34%. Trump received 46% of the Indie vote in 2016.

But there are some positives for Mr. Trump: 90% of the Trump supporters and 84% of the Republicans believe the current turbulence is "what change feels like".

There's also more in the way of general economics and foreign policy that's pretty interesting, showing that despite the media gloom & political brouhaha the mood of the country is getting more positive in general terms - particularly economically.

Enjoy!
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well, I would have to say that if that large of a percentage of Trump supporters & Republicans believe Russian influence in the presidential election is positive change then America is pretty much ****ed up the ass .........
 
Cigar said:
I'm tired of feeling sorry for people who constantly vote against their own best interests.

So ... F-them, it's time they learn the hard way.
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word brutha man ..........
 
JamesBY said:
These numbers are interesting:

1. Do you approve or disapprove of the job Donald Trump is doing as president? [IF
APPROVE / DISAPPROVE: Is that strongly (approve/disapprove), or only somewhat?]

Approve Disapprove (Don’t know)21-23 May 17 40% 53 7 23-25 Apr 17 45% 48 7 12-14 Mar 17 43% 51 6 11-13 Feb 17 48% 47 6


21-23 May 17

Strongly approve 28% Somewhat approve 12 Somewhat disapprove 8 Strongly disapprove 46 (Don’t know) 7

Trump stays at 40 or just under almost all the time except for an outlier or two.

It seems as if the American electorate is simply waiting for the other shoe to fall.
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shrug...

You are free to make what you will of the numbers. I reject the numbers out of hand because of crappy sampling.
 
Chomsky said:
Seeing such numbers in a Fox Poll, the headline, and the subsequent comments in the Fox article, is in part what caught my attention. Usually Fox spins the headline, then buries differently slighted data deeper in the article. Here, they didn't.
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FOX polls had Trump losing bigly clear up to election day as did most. There were only a couple that got it right. Rasmussen was one. They have Trump's approval at 48%. Considering the 90% negative coverage Trump is receiving in much of the media, 48% is pretty darn good.

Trump has shot himself in the foot more than once deserving fair criticism but it has become quite evident to many what the MSM is attempting to do and that is to destroy Trump's presidency. It has become quite evident that the Democratic party shares the same goal and the politicization of our intelligence agencies under Obama where evidence has surfaced they were allowed to abuse their powers are also working to destroy Trump through countless leaks to the press. Did you catch the story yesterday where PM May of UK said they would no longer be sharing any intelligence with the U.S. over the Manchester massacre because of the leaks of intelligence that ended up in the NYT? She stated the leaks were not coming from the WH but from law enforcement and that she was going to take the matter up with Trump in Brussels.

I remember a story published early in January that leaked a bunch of stuff in regard to the Trump transition team and that Obama at the last minute put his loyalists in key positions throughout the government before Trump took office. Evidently that was true.
 
Chomsky said:
"American voters disagree with President Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey, think the dismissal was for self-serving reasons, and approve of a special counsel being appointed to investigate Russian government efforts to influence the election and the Trump campaign. In addition, a majority opposes the Republican plan to replace Obamacare.

That’s according to a new Fox News Poll of registered voters nationwide.

The last month took a toll on the president’s ratings. The poll finds 40 percent of voters approve of the job Trump is doing, down from 45 percent last month. Disapproval is up 5 points to 53 percent.

Some of the drop in approval comes from Republicans, as just 81 percent approve of the president. GOP approval had been between 84-87 percent during Trump’s first three months in office. Plus, his approval among whites without a college degree went from 62 percent last month to 53 percent now. Working-class whites were a key voting bloc for him in the election (66 percent backed Trump according to the Fox News Exit Poll)."

Source Article: Fox News Poll: Trump approval down, voters support special counsel on Russial

Source Poll: Fox News Poll: May 24, 2017

--

Despite the article's headline and the paragraphs I excerpted above showcasing the hot-button media topics de jour, there's actually a lot of interesting additional details in this article, possibly even more interesting considering it's a conservative pro-Trump source.

One that strikes me is the fall in the President's approval amongst non-college educated (working-class) Caucasians from 62% to 53%. Another, while still pretty solid, is a slip in the President's support from a high of 87% to a current 81% amongst Republicans.

Somewhat surprisingly to me, almost half of the Republicans (46%) approve of a special counsel to investigate Trump, but then surprising me in the other direction 56% believe Trump was reasonable in sharing intelligence with the Russians!

Also perhaps a sign of concern for the President's re-election prospects, the President's support amongst Indies fell from 42% to 34%. Trump received 46% of the Indie vote in 2016.

But there are some positives for Mr. Trump: 90% of the Trump supporters and 84% of the Republicans believe the current turbulence is "what change feels like".

There's also more in the way of general economics and foreign policy that's pretty interesting, showing that despite the media gloom & political brouhaha the mood of the country is getting more positive in general terms - particularly economically.

Enjoy!
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I keep waiting for someone on the left to explain to me what I am missing on the issue of the Russians and Trump? Please explain what laws were broken, how collusion could take place without a law being violated, and how what Russia was accused of doing affected the election? Looks like the emails released were accurate, looks like typical election politics just like the October surprised by the Democratic Party every Presidential election?

I didn't know it was illegal for a foreign govt. to try and influence an election because we do it all the time.. Further I see that no votes were changed or voting machines hacked so rather than simply posting partisan rhetoric please explain the issue?
 
Mycroft said:
shrug... You are free to make what you will of the numbers. I reject the numbers out of hand because of crappy sampling.
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Shrug . . . you, Mycroft, do not accept the numbers, not because of the sampling, but because it slaps your confirmation bias in the face. The American people appear to be waiting for the other shoe to drop on Trump.
 
Conservative said:
I keep waiting for someone on the left to explain to me what I am missing on the issue of the Russians and Trump? Please explain what laws were broken, how collusion could take place without a law being violated, and how what Russia was accused of doing affected the election? Looks like the emails released were accurate, looks like typical election politics just like the October surprised by the Democratic Party every Presidential election?

I didn't know it was illegal for a foreign govt. to try and influence an election because we do it all the time.. Further I see that no votes were changed or voting machines hacked so rather than simply posting partisan rhetoric please explain the issue?
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Oh, it's been explained to you, but your cling to Alt Facts, and may the comfort in the terrible days for Trump that are coming.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Which ends "For the good of the great unwashed masses"....finish the job.

An idea that refuses to die despite never working, but considering we are on our fourth decade of the plan let's not be blaming Trump for it MKay?
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you gotta love crazy people .............. well, maybe not ................

 
JamesBY said:
Shrug . . . you, Mycroft, do not accept the numbers, not because of the sampling, but because it slaps your confirmation bias in the face. The American people appear to be waiting for the other shoe to drop on Trump.
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I just wonder where the "good" polls and reporting are going to come from, now that the alt-right's last MSM refuge is even sharing the bad news...
 
JamesBY said:
Oh, it's been explained to you, but your cling to Alt Facts, and may the comfort in the terrible days for Trump that are coming.
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No it hasn't been explained to me because it defies logic and common sense as well as the rule of law. That has been explained to you over and over again but still doesn't resonate? it is legal for a private citizen to meet with a foreign govt? Is it legal for a foreign govt. to campaign in this country? Alternate facts are what you post which aren't facts at all but opinions
 
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