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Republican candidate 'body-slams' Guardian reporter in Montana

tosca1 said:
So.......he would've won anyway. He probably would've won by a bigger margin, had he refrained himself from getting baited, and losing his cool.
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I think the average voter hates the lib news madia as much as the republican candidate who smacked the obnoxious liberal reporter around

I have to force myself to watch as much Morning Joe as I can stand on MSNBC every morning

And I end up hating the liberal media even more than I did the day before.
 
tosca1 said:
Whether he's biased or not - the fact that he won, shows the people seems to not care anymore.
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No, it doesn't. 70% of the ballots were mailed in, long before this happened.
I've read somewhere that this election was actually being seen like a "referendum" for Trump's presidency.
This is really about Trump. Trump's health plan was the question this uninvited journalist was badgering this candidate with.
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No one was being badgered from what I could tell.
 
tosca1 said:
From what I understand, the journalist was out of line.
He was uninvited, and he was asked politely to leave.
He was badgering the candidate, trying to disrupt his campaign with questions about Trump.

Gianforte should've kept his cool no matter what. Good thing it didn't cost him the election.
Republicans might be getting set-up with this kind of deliberate baiting from biased media.
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I bet Gianforte felt like a new man after beating the crap out of that lib.

But if he had it to do over again he probably would not do it because it will cost him some grief over time
 
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Mac77 said:
I think the average voter hates the lib news madia as much as the republican candidate who smacked the obnoxious liberal reporter around

I have to force myself to watch as much Morning Joe as I can stand on MSNBC every morning

And I end up hating the liberal media even more than I did the day before.
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You know what....with all the whining libs on a witch hunt, trying to get rid of Trump - I'm not surprised that they - and the media - are beginning to sound like the boy who cried wolf. I feel numb with all the news.
 
Renae said:
I could care less the leans in this case. Reporters can do their jobs without being dicks
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Reporters get paid to ask questions, so Ben Jacobs was in fact doing his job. And being subjected to questions, even by 'aggressive' political reporters (which is all the good ones) doesn't make a candidate a 'victim of harassment.' It's a normal part of a politician's job.
 
Mac77 said:
I bet Gianforte felt like a new man after beating the crap out of that lib.

But if he had to do over again he probably would not do it because it will cost him some grief over time
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Yeah, the next time he beats the crap out of a so called "journalist" all he needs to do is make sure his staffers are the only witnesses.
 
tosca1 said:
You know what....with all the whining libs on a witch hunt, trying to get rid of Trump - I'm not surprised that they - and the media - are beginning to sound like the boy who cried wolf. I feel numb with all the news.
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Are all liberal journalists Pajama Boy who suck their thumb?

Gianforte appears to be much older than the liberal he punched out.

I'd be embarrassed to admit that some old fart twice my age took me in a fair fight
 
JasperL said:
Reporters get paid to ask questions, so Ben Jacobs was in fact doing his job. And being subjected to questions, even by 'aggressive' political reporters (which is all the good ones) doesn't make a candidate a 'victim of harassment.' It's a normal part of a politician's job.
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Obviously the now duly elected representative felt otherwise.
While it would have been nice if he had not done this, Without a clear video the best I can reach is the reporter was over aggressive and got taken to the ground for his behavior.
 
reinoe said:
Yeah, the next time he beats the crap out of a so called "journalist" all he needs to do is make sure his staffers are the only witnesses.
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Lib journalists are nothing if not quick learners.

They will send their female assistants to badger him from now on
 
Fearandloathing said:
apparently so. Never fails, when they run out of talking points they revert to insult...in this case one even older than me.
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Wasn't an insult. It was calling him out for throwing loaded questions. I get that such might go over the heads of lesser debaters, consider this education and learn from it.

A loaded question or complex question fallacy is a question that contains a controversial or unjustified assumption (e.g., a presumption of guilt).[1]

Aside from being an informal fallacy depending on usage, such questions may be used as a rhetorical tool: the question attempts to limit direct replies to be those that serve the questioner's agenda.[2] The traditional example is the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" Whether the respondent answers yes or no, he will admit to having a wife and having beaten her at some time in the past. Thus, these facts are presupposed by the question, and in this case an entrapment, because it narrows the respondent to a single answer, and the fallacy of many questions has been committed.[2] The fallacy relies upon context for its effect: the fact that a question presupposes something does not in itself make the question fallacious. Only when some of these presuppositions are not necessarily agreed to by the person who is asked the question does the argument containing them become fallacious.[2] Hence the same question may be loaded in one context, but not in the other. For example, the previous question would not be loaded if it were asked during a trial in which the defendant had already admitted to beating his wife.[2]

This fallacy should be distinguished from that of begging the question (not to be confused with raising the question),[3] which offers a premise whose plausibility depends on the truth of the proposition asked about, and which is often an implicit restatement of the proposition.[4]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

See now you haven't an excuse for ignorance! Happy days indeed.
 
Renae said:
You didn't answer the question. Since you've decided to play loaded questions, I am just returning the favor.
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I did answer and from what I understand he was not in the idiots face.
 
tosca1 said:
From what I understand, the journalist was out of line.
He was uninvited, and he was asked politely to leave.
He was badgering the candidate, trying to disrupt his campaign with questions about Trump.
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Well he was trying to "disrupt the campaign" by in a calm voice trying to get the candidate on the record on the AHCA and CBO score. It's on the tape - listen if you want. And it IS totally out of line for a reporter to ask questions of a candidate! What's next? Having their constituents call their offices and complain! Poor candidates... life is hard.

Gianforte should've kept his cool no matter what. Good thing it didn't cost him the election.
Republicans might be getting set-up with this kind of deliberate baiting from biased media.
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LOL - getting asked questions is "deliberate baiting" now. Sheesh - you have low standards for your office holders if that's all it takes for them to lose their **** and commit assault.
 
Mac77 said:
Are all liberal journalists Pajama Boy who suck their thumb?

Gianforte appears to be much older than the liberal he punched out.

I'd be embarrassed to admit that some old fart twice my age took me in a fair fight
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Right, and then it would be on the reporter to blame.
 
Renae said:
Obviously the now duly elected representative felt otherwise.
While it would have been nice if he had not done this, Without a clear video the best I can reach is the reporter was over aggressive and got taken to the ground for his behavior.
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Yeah. Why even bother with the actual audio tape or eyewitnesses, yanno?

“To be clear, at no point did any of us who witnessed this assault see Jacobs show any form of physical aggression toward Gianforte, who left the area after giving statements to local sheriff’s deputies.” - Fox News reporter
 
Mac77 said:
No one can blame a sissy boy for being too weak to defend himself
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Then the reporter would have been pilloried for attacking this idiot.
Reporters learn early to report the story, not become the story.
 
JANFU said:
I did answer and from what I understand he was not in the idiots face.
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As the crew was setting up, Gianforte was approached by the Guardian’s Ben Jacobs, who put a voice recorder “to Gianforte’s face and began asking if he had a response to the newly released Congressional Budget Office report on the American Health Care Act,” the Republican replacement for the Affordable Care Act, she wrote.

“Gianforte,” Acuna wrote, “told him he would get back to him later. Jacobs persisted with his question. Gianforte told him to talk to his press guy, Shane Scanlon.”

“At that point,” she wrote, “Gianforte grabbed Jacobs by the neck with both hands and slammed him into the ground behind him.”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-and-punched-reporter/?utm_term=.68a656837882

Sounds more like he shoved his microphone in his face and wouldn't back off.

While the eye witnesses claim to have not seen any physical contact from the reporter, eyewitnesses are poor recorders of unexpected events.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

Reality is the reporter probably did grab the politicians write as he was pushing the phone out of his face, and he got slammed to the ground for it.

/meh

It's hardly a mole hill to go making mountains out of. Try not shoving things in peoples faces and grabbing them?
 
Paperview said:
Yeah. Why even bother with the actual audio tape or eyewitnesses, yanno?

“To be clear, at no point did any of us who witnessed this assault see Jacobs show any form of physical aggression toward Gianforte, who left the area after giving statements to local sheriff’s deputies.” - Fox News reporter
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Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-the-eyes-have-it/

And the audio can't show, we only hear.
 
Mac77 said:
Are all liberal journalists Pajama Boy who suck their thumb?

Gianforte appears to be much older than the liberal he punched out.

I'd be embarrassed to admit that some old fart twice my age took me in a fair fight
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More like a sucker punch.
 
JANFU said:
Then the reporter would have been pilloried for attacking this idiot.


Reporters learn early to report the story, not become the story.
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That is a problem that gutless liberal reporters will never have to face
 
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