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This John Brennan quote on Russia just made Donald Trump's life much harder

Transcripts will be submitted in court.
 
But what is "actual collusion" in the context of everything he said? There isn't really any doubt that the Trump campaign was colluding with those people, but it would seem that "actual collusion" to his mind requires knowing exactly who it is you're colluding with, i.e. did they know they were Russian operatives? As he also said, "Frequently, people who go along a treasonous path do not know they are on a treasonous path until it is too late."

Can you please tell me which US Code that collusion with a foreign power is? Is it even a violation of federal law? If so, what law?
 
Since the hacking of emails and dropping them off at WikiLeaks isn't exactly something that requires collusion, it is possible that Flynn, Manafort and others were 'colluding' to line their own pockets. Corruption is always a far more likely charge than treason.

At this point, anything is possible, including treason.
 
The OP title said nothing about guilt or innocence - so your post is irrelevant.

The title simply said that the statement would make Trump's life more difficult - and it undoubtedly will.

And of course it is new. Any hew information is 'new'...and this is new information from a new source.

If that's what it takes to make you feel comfortable. Then fine. However, to me, it's old news from a new source. That's all. I saw this morning where CNN was reporting "Brennan contradicts FBI" and that was not true. Not based off of what I've read and heard from both the FBI over the last few months and then Brennan over the last few days - just the same story, told with different words, from a new source.

You see, the problem with all this angst and hyperbole, is that there is nothing illegal or even strange about a Presidential nominee of a major party, or his/her staff, having conversations with foreign powers to discuss future relationships. Even with Russia. What I'm waiting on is to have proof that some of those conversations broke a law, or even if there's no law broken, that they crossed a line with collusion or fore-knowledge of Russia's hacking of the DNC, which we don't know at this point.

When and if charges are leveled, and/or indictments are ever handed down, and/or someone makes an admission of guilt, then we'll have something new to talk about.
 
If the smoking gun existed, we would know about it by now.

Also, if the smoking gun resides within the current known surveillance, Comey et. al. have been derelict in their duty by not pressing charges.

Comey isn't stupid. He isn't going to ignore something that big.
 
Contacts were denied. Now the trump-defenders are demanding evidence of collusion now that they can't deny contacts anymore. That's the goal post moving.

I don't think anyone here has denied there was contact so it looks like the only thing we have going on here is a strawman you've set up to knock down.
 
If that's what it takes to make you feel comfortable. Then fine. However, to me, it's old news from a new source. That's all. I saw this morning where CNN was reporting "Brennan contradicts FBI" and that was not true. Not based off of what I've read and heard from both the FBI over the last few months and then Brennan over the last few days - just the same story, told with different words, from a new source.

You see, the problem with all this angst and hyperbole, is that there is nothing illegal or even strange about a Presidential nominee of a major party, or his/her staff, having conversations with foreign powers to discuss future relationships. Even with Russia. What I'm waiting on is to have proof that some of those conversations broke a law, or even if there's no law broken, that they crossed a line with collusion or fore-knowledge of Russia's hacking of the DNC, which we don't know at this point.

When and if charges are leveled, and/or indictments are ever handed down, and/or someone makes an admission of guilt, then we'll have something new to talk about.

Problem being, that the people they were in frequent contact with, long before the election, weren't just Russians, they were Russian intelligence agents.

That, and they lied about those meetings.

That, and at least one of them asked for immunity.
 
Meanwhile, Trump's approval rating is now up to 48%.

The folks know a BS story when they see it.
 
Problem being, that the people they were in frequent contact with, long before the election, weren't just Russians, they were Russian intelligence agents.

That, and they lied about those meetings.

That, and at least one of them asked for immunity.

So I am still waiting for what laws were broken. In order for collusion to happen something illegal had to happen which it didn't thus the media is moving off that to now charge a coverup but in order to have a coverup again something Illegal has to happen, i.e. the Watergate break in was an illegal action and was covered up. Meeting with the Russians to change minds isn't illegal

now the rest of the story

The Inside Story on James B. Comey | SOTN: Alternative News & Commentary
 
Problem being, that the people they were in frequent contact with, long before the election, weren't just Russians, they were Russian intelligence agents.

That, and they lied about those meetings.

That, and at least one of them asked for immunity.

That still isn't illegal.
 
So I am still waiting for what laws were broken. In order for collusion to happen something illegal had to happen which it didn't thus the media is moving off that to now charge a coverup but in order to have a coverup again something Illegal has to happen, i.e. the Watergate break in was an illegal action and was covered up. Meeting with the Russians to change minds isn't illegal

now the rest of the story

The Inside Story on James B. Comey | SOTN: Alternative News & Commentary

Well, then, today is your lucky day! You'll be very pleased to know, I'm sure, that there are multiple ongoing investigations that are to determine if, indeed, and laws have been broken.

Always happy to be the bearer of good news!
 
Well, then, today is your lucky day! You'll be very pleased to know, I'm sure, that there are multiple ongoing investigations that are to determine if, indeed, and laws have been broken.

Always happy to be the bearer of good news!

I have heard that non stop now since Trump took office and still nothing even including your own opinion. It isn't illegal to meet with a foreign government, it isn't illegal to try to sway people's opinions regarding an election, it isn't illegal for the President to fire the FBI head so still waiting. ONE MORE TIME, what is your OPINION as to the law being broken? The media hasn't found one so I guess the flicker of hope exists in the radical left to destroy a sitting President
 
I have heard that non stop now since Trump took office and still nothing even including your own opinion. It isn't illegal to meet with a foreign government, it isn't illegal to try to sway people's opinions regarding an election, it isn't illegal for the President to fire the FBI head so still waiting. ONE MORE TIME, what is your OPINION as to the law being broken? The media hasn't found one so I guess the flicker of hope exists in the radical left to destroy a sitting President

Well, then, today is your lucky day! You'll be very pleased to know, I'm sure, that there are multiple ongoing investigations that are to determine if, indeed, and laws have been broken. And now they're seriously digging into potential financial crimes, issuing subpoenas, the whole nine yards.

Always happy to be the bearer of good news! Yay!
 
Much like the leaks in the NY Times. Anonymous sources, unnamed sources, etc. Yet no one willing to stand up and put their name to it.

So given the bar for reporting anti-Trump theories, I'm on solid ground.

hardly. You are not the WaPo. You have to have credibility to pull it off. And I'm thinking for this topic, WaPo busting open watergate with anonymous sources gives them the crediblity you are lacking on this topic.
 
I don't think anyone here has denied there was contact so it looks like the only thing we have going on here is a strawman you've set up to knock down.

Really? No one has denied contacts you say? :lol:

I have links in this thread showing how trump admin denied contact with russians at least around 20 times. And the sheep here reiterate everything the admin tends to say.
 
The point is: did President Trump commit a crime?

There is no other point. Making **** up isn't going to work well for you.

I haven't made anything up. There are real investigations going on into that very topic.

You shouldn't let that upset you so.
 
Really? No one has denied contacts you say? :lol:

I have links in this thread showing how trump admin denied contact with russians at least around 20 times. And the sheep here reiterate everything the admin tends to say.

So what is illegal about having a contact with the Russians? What laws to you believe Trump or his administration broke? You are great at offering your opinion on everything but this one which speaks volumes
 
hardly. You are not the WaPo. You have to have credibility to pull it off. And I'm thinking for this topic, WaPo busting open watergate with anonymous sources gives them the crediblity you are lacking on this topic.

WaPo has zero credibility and the owner Jeff Bezos is rabidly anti Trump because he is afraid of anti trust action in Trumps second term.
 
Can someone tell me what crime is Trump being accused of here?

What crime?


Tim-
 
Brennan is a former communist

Its more likely that he is working for his fellow formser communist putin
 
Can someone tell me what crime is Trump being accused of here? What crime? Tim-
The investigations are into his associates' behavior and relationships with the Russians. You red herring stinketh.
 
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