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UK raises threat level to 'critical'

PeteEU said:
You dont need to raise a glorified ratings tool to go after his possible associates. The alert rating is nothing but a PR tool for government to show they are doing something. It means nothing.
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Then you know nothing about our alert levels. What has happened is the military come in at critical, take over duties at major venues so that armed police can be freed up for a wider range of duties.

PeteEU said:
What they should have done, is cut all ties to the US over the massive leaks. Is the US working for ISIS now?
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You're forgetting when the US proudly announced to the world in 2012 that a British undercover agent of Middle Eastern origin was with terror groups in Yemen and had his cover blown by NBC just so they could tell American audiences that plots had been stopped by the work of this agent.

reinoe said:
American law enforcement has never been known for their competence. In fact, the Brits shouldn't allow Americans to be involved.
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I don't often agree with you but on this, you are bang on the mark.
 
Erod said:
UK raises threat level to 'critical' - CNN.com



This sounds like they have credible information that this was just the first in a series of planned attacks.

ISIS is certainly at a desperation point. They're getting absolutely hammered in Syria, and their forces are waning. They sent their "wives" home so they can make their last stand. I'm sure they want any and all plans executed immediately.

Plus, al-Quaida is trying to rebuild, and there's competition among these Islamic terror groups to be "#1".
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In any case it is disturbing that they are deploying troops to enforce domestic security.
 
joG said:
In any case it is disturbing that they are deploying troops to enforce domestic security.
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It sounds like ISIS is virtually reduced to a remaining band of small domestic cells. Their organization has been pulverized.
 
Erod said:
It sounds like ISIS is virtually reduced to a remaining band of small domestic cells. Their organization has been pulverized.
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I don't know about that, but troops in the streets sounds a lot like capitulation to their aims.
 
HonestJoe said:
I made it sound like you're exactly as guilty of what you're accusing others of, no more, no less. I believe you are, just as you apparently believe politicians and governments are.

No you don't. You might have evidence, even proof, of a few individuals politicians who do (or did) but nothing justifying a generic attack at all politicians and all government. Incidentally, I used to work for a government agency. :)

And IMO, you're using the terrorist attack as a basis for your attack on government (and the poster who simply acknowledged a government statement).
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I will ask you again...where EXACTLY did I state that I love terrorist attacks.

NOT, why do you assume (wrongly, btw) I do.

But where EXACTLY did I say I do.


And, again, for the record, I cannot stand any attacks on innocent people...terrorist or otherwise.
 
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These attacks will continue to evolve - they'll continue to become more audacious in scope and severity - hopefully things won't have to reach another 9-11 before we react strongly to effect a complete change in policy and approach.
 
Explain this to me.

The British know of 400+ citizens that have gone to Syria and fought with ISIS and returned. Yet, they won't arrest them. They suspect there are as many as 1,000.

Why?
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Then you know nothing about our alert levels. What has happened is the military come in at critical, take over duties at major venues so that armed police can be freed up for a wider range of duties.
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It is still a pr move... are you saying that if you did not have the nice shiny ratings system, then the UK government was incapable on calling on the military in a crisis?
 
Erod said:
Explain this to me.

The British know of 400+ citizens that have gone to Syria and fought with ISIS and returned. Yet, they won't arrest them. They suspect there are as many as 1,000.

Why?
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Rule of law... I know it is an alien concept for an American... :)
 
PeteEU said:
So raising a propaganda tools rating somehow benefits 8 year olds? By what... making them fear even more?
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You calling it a propaganda tool is dishonest. Try again.
 
PeteEU said:
The guy was born in the UK...
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Yep. A second generation refugee that was seemingly well integrated and made it to university. He is not dissimilar to the a million plus refugees that have entered the EU in the past three years, if integration is successful. Luckily only a small percentage of the number actually turns out like this guy, but most of the attacks have been by persons belonging to this category. I really wondered why Merkel invited them in the way she did shortly before the British referendum.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
You calling it a propaganda tool is dishonest. Try again.
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It is a propaganda tool lol.

It has absolutely zero impact on government workings. What it does do, is inform (or put the fear of god) the people about how seriously government takes the situation... aka propaganda. especially during an election season.
 
PeteEU said:
It is a propaganda tool lol.

It has absolutely zero impact on government workings. What it does do, is inform (or put the fear of god) the people about how seriously government takes the situation... aka propaganda. especially during an election season.
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From what people from the UK who post here say, it is not what you claim. Therefore, your description is dishonest and has no value. Like I said, try again.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Or maybe raising the terror threat level to critical is because US agencies released the bomber's name meaning his associates could escape in time or move their plans forwards.

You need to engage your brain more, especially as your answer to your post was contained in your last sentence.

Oh, and by the way - thanks America. The bustard's associates had good warning before the 36 hours our police need to crack down on suspects and they may have gotten away.
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I was listening to BBC earlier, where they were saying that it was not "US agencies" that released the information at least not the photo of the bomb. It was someone unknown that stuck it to the press. Sort of like a little Manning but quicker. So maybe the slur "thanks America" is inappropriate as politically correct as it might appear to liberals and such. ;)

But, if you have a link so we could identify the culprits, I would surely be happy.

But do say, how we know the leak was not British?
 
phattonez said:
Have they closed the border? Have they stopped immigration? If not, then they are continuing to ask for this violence. Their commitment to diversity has made a low-trust, high-violence society inevitable. And why have they done it? They don't want to be called mean names.
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Well, this guy was a second generation refugee. Closing the boarder now is not going to help for some time. The knowledge of this problem was part of the reason that the Referendum went as it did with Merkel opening up the EU boarders to well over a million new refugees just before the referendum.
 
DA60 said:
I will ask you again...where EXACTLY did I state that I love terrorist attacks.
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Where has any politician stated that they love terrorist attacks? Can't you see that all I'm doing to you is exactly the same that you're doing to other people with the same lack of evidence and justification. I'm more than happy to agree that it's wrong to make that assumption but only if you're willing to do so with me.
 
HonestJoe said:
Where has any politician stated that they love terrorist attacks? Can't you see that all I'm doing to you is exactly the same that you're doing to other people with the same lack of evidence and justification. I'm more than happy to agree that it's wrong to make that assumption but only if you're willing to do so with me.
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I don't know about this case, but EU politicians must know the situational advantage of crisis or terror attacks. After all a good number accused Erdogan of utilizing them to domestic political advantage.
 
joG said:
I was listening to BBC earlier, where they were saying that it was not "US agencies" that released the information at least not the photo of the bomb. It was someone unknown that stuck it to the press. Sort of like a little Manning but quicker. So maybe the slur "thanks America" is inappropriate as politically correct as it might appear to liberals and such. ;)

But, if you have a link so we could identify the culprits, I would surely be happy.

But do say, how we know the leak was not British?
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The Prime Minister of Great Britain will protest today - at a NATO meeting - to the President of the USA about the wanton and irresponsible release of highly classified information passed, in good faith, to his security agencies. May is angry and has every right to be so. I hope Mr Trump is too.
 
PeteEU said:
So raising a propaganda tools rating somehow benefits 8 year olds? By what... making them fear even more?
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Do you seriously believe there is no practical meaning to alert levels?
For real?
 
Apocalypse said:
Do you seriously believe there is no practical meaning to alert levels?
For real?
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Absolutely.

Take the American one... under Bush Jr, it went up and down depending on the colour of underwear Bush Jr was wearing. It made no meaning and did absolutely nothing other that put the fear of god into people... at first. The 3rd time and more it changed and nothing happened, then well.. ever heard of crying wolf?

A more understandable one is the weather guy. He sends out alert after alert that there is a big ass storm coming, and nothing happens. So people tend not to believe him. Then a storm hits, and he sends out another alert that there might be a storm coming.. and it is like.. what is the point!?

On top of this, what should people do extra just because it is now critical and not whatever it was before? A terror attack just happened, so of course people are on alert and know something is happening.. the armed military units on the streets is a dead give away. The government does not need to raise levels on a colour chart to do their job of protecting the country.

Hence it is nothing but propaganda bull**** to show "strength" and that "we are doing something" and gives absolutely no meaning in the overall picture.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
From what people from the UK who post here say, it is not what you claim. Therefore, your description is dishonest and has no value. Like I said, try again.
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The threat level is a warning, nothing else. It has zero baring on what the government can do or should do. How do I know this?

After the UK parliament attack, the threat level was NOT raised, and yet there was military on the streets. In fact the threat level has not been at critical since 7/7 bombings and yet UK troops have been on the streets to assist the police several times between then and now.

It might be a comforter for the British people, but if they actually think about it.. what the hell does it mean?

Just on the news, they claim that because of this raising to critical, that there will be a big police presence at a major football match on Sunday. The amount of horse**** in that piece was mindboggling. First off the police would always have been there in force, not because of the threat level, but because of what happened in Paris and else where.. and of course the history of hooliganism at English football matches. Secondly, that they might add more police is .. so what. The amount of police at such events are huge already... the freaking royal family and government are often at this event, so of course the security will be massive.

So yes, this rating system is horse**** and has zero impact on anything other than being a propaganda tool for the sitting government. The more they use it, or abuse it, the less it means.
 
PeteEU said:
The threat level is a warning, nothing else. It has zero baring on what the government can do or should do. How do I know this?
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Are you sure of that? In France it does and the Brits have deployed soldiers onto the streets.
 
joG said:
Are you sure of that? In France it does and the Brits have deployed soldiers onto the streets.
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Yes France puts troops on the streets and the Brits have done it as well.... regardless of the threat level. Hence the threat level is irrelevant.

Lets put it this way..

Any bets on the threat level being lowered before election day?
 
PeteEU said:
Yes France puts troops on the streets and the Brits have done it as well.... regardless of the threat level. Hence the threat level is irrelevant.

Lets put it this way..

Any bets on the threat level being lowered before election day?
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That isn't an answer. Are you sure that die level of declared threat has no influence on the measures a the government may take? In France I do not believe that is true and I tend to believe that probably it isn't in GB, though, I am not sure in that case. So it would be great, if you could say why you think that it is so in GB.
 
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