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UK raises threat level to 'critical'

phattonez said:
Have they closed the border? Have they stopped immigration? If not, then they are continuing to ask for this violence. Their commitment to diversity has made a low-trust, high-violence society inevitable. And why have they done it? They don't want to be called mean names.
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They don't because if they do it means that the terrorists have won.
 
PeteEU said:
Raising the threat level does not help the 8 year old does it now? Who does it benefit?
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Classic Pete, asking the right questions.
 
zyzygy said:
They don't because if they do it means that the terrorists have won.
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So the terrorists "win" when it is made more difficult for other Muslims to emigrate to the UK? The 'terrorists' 'lost' when Abdeh's family was permitted entry?
How does that work?
 
PeteEU said:
Raising the threat level does not help the 8 year old does it now? Who does it benefit?
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Maybe it helps the next eight year old.

But you are right in one sense-- why have all these troops and police setting up walls in various parts of the country making life difficult for everyone? Why not deploy them on the borders and make it tougher to enter the country?
 
Athanasius68 said:
Maybe it helps the next eight year old.

But you are right in one sense-- why have all these troops and police setting up walls in various parts of the country making life difficult for everyone? Why not deploy them on the borders and make it tougher to enter the country?
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What borders? You want to deploy the queens guard to Hadrians wall?
 
PeteEU said:
This stinks to high heaven of playing politics during an election. Funny that her poll numbers were tanking badly just as this happened and now she does this to show strength... classic right wing move.

One thing is for sure, something aint right in this whole case... especially the fact that US officials are leaking information like sieve and compromising the UK investigation.
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Or maybe raising the terror threat level to critical is because US agencies released the bomber's name meaning his associates could escape in time or move their plans forwards.

You need to engage your brain more, especially as your answer to your post was contained in your last sentence.

Oh, and by the way - thanks America. The bustard's associates had good warning before the 36 hours our police need to crack down on suspects and they may have gotten away.
 
DA60 said:
Sounds to me like you believe whatever governments tell you. They must love you. I mean no offense when I type this, but, imo, only the weak and the gullible believe anything the government tells them without proof.


I assume they are making it up for some selfish and nefarious reason. Or they might be just WILDLY exaggerating the threat because it scares the ignorant masses and makes them more supple and pliable to whatever the government wants them to do at a later date.

Governments LOVE terrorists attacks (assuming no one they liked/loved gets hurt/killed). It allows them to take away rights and freedoms in the name of security. And they LOVE doing that...politicians just ADORE more power.


I am not naive enough to believe ANYTHING the government tells me without unbiased, factual proof to back it up.

They say there is a greater threat of attack? I ain't buying it for one second until I see the proof. And since they almost never give proof - I am almost never buying into it.

They might be right one time out of 50...though I doubt it is even that often. But without the evidence to back it up - stuff it government, I will ignore your threats.

I will take my chances and keep my freedom - thank you.
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I disagree. The gov there is just covering their asses. If there is another attack they can say they warned people. These types of attacks are pretty much impossible to prevent and they know it.
 
HonestJoe said:
Where did any government or politicians say they loved terrorist attacks? I just turned your own words back on you so any angry objection you feel as a consequence would be felt in exactly the same way by all the people in government and politics you blindly accused of the same thing.
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You made it sound like I loved terrorist attacks

I want an apology from you for saying I love terrorist attacks.

As you have ZERO proof I do.

Whereas I have ample proof politicians do. They don't love to see innocent people murdered. If that is how it came across - I apologize to them for saying it.
But, imo, they LOVE the power and control that they can exercise as a result of those attacks.
Plus, I truly believe that government leaders don't care all that much about the death counts as a) they become desensitized to them (assuming no one they know was hurt) and b) they seem to have no problem sending brave soldiers to die in hopeless causes so clearly they cannot be all that worked up about people they do not know dying.

Now where is that apology?


Or do want me to around saying you love rape and you love child molesting? Hey, if you can matter-of-factory say things about me you have zero proof are true? Why cannot I?
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
Or maybe raising the terror threat level to critical is because US agencies released the bomber's name meaning his associates could escape in time or move their plans forwards.

You need to engage your brain more, especially as your answer to your post was contained in your last sentence.

Oh, and by the way - thanks America. The bustard's associates had good warning before the 36 hours our police need to crack down on suspects and they may have gotten away.
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American law enforcement has never been known for their competence. In fact, the Brits shouldn't allow Americans to be involved.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Or maybe raising the terror threat level to critical is because US agencies released the bomber's name meaning his associates could escape in time or move their plans forwards.

You need to engage your brain more, especially as your answer to your post was contained in your last sentence.

Oh, and by the way - thanks America. The bustard's associates had good warning before the 36 hours our police need to crack down on suspects and they may have gotten away.
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You dont need to raise a glorified ratings tool to go after his possible associates. The alert rating is nothing but a PR tool for government to show they are doing something. It means nothing.

What they should have done, is cut all ties to the US over the massive leaks. Is the US working for ISIS now?
 
Athanasius68 said:
Maybe it helps the next eight year old.

But you are right in one sense-- why have all these troops and police setting up walls in various parts of the country making life difficult for everyone? Why not deploy them on the borders and make it tougher to enter the country?
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The guy was born in the UK...
 
Erod said:
UK raises threat level to 'critical' - CNN.com



This sounds like they have credible information that this was just the first in a series of planned attacks.

ISIS is certainly at a desperation point. They're getting absolutely hammered in Syria, and their forces are waning. They sent their "wives" home so they can make their last stand. I'm sure they want any and all plans executed immediately.

Plus, al-Quaida is trying to rebuild, and there's competition among these Islamic terror groups to be "#1".
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Time to oil up the weapons, load and lock.

Except in UK.
 
PeteEU said:
This stinks to high heaven of playing politics during an election. Funny that her poll numbers were tanking badly just as this happened and now she does this to show strength... classic right wing move.

One thing is for sure, something aint right in this whole case... especially the fact that US officials are leaking information like sieve and compromising the UK investigation.
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C'mon, EU. I'm not happy about centuries of British imperialism either, but your devout hate-boner for the UK has now got you criticizing standard-procedure counterterrorism efforts that have been in place since the last time a government official's incompetence and arrogance got 3,000+ people killed...
 
PeteEU said:
So raising a propaganda tools rating somehow benefits 8 year olds? By what... making them fear even more?
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Watch Fahrenheit 9/11, particularly the part about the small town in Virginia. That is not what the authorities are doing here. This is not a small town in Virginia, this is a megalopolis called MANCHESTER. I've been there. It's like New York-lite.
 
Athanasius68 said:
So the terrorists "win" when it is made more difficult for other Muslims to emigrate to the UK? The 'terrorists' 'lost' when Abdeh's family was permitted entry?
How does that work?
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The poster mentioned closing the borders and stopping all immigration.
 
chromium said:
That has nothing to do with the likelihood of further incidents

Unless they have specific intel about a threat, which IMO they should share, what use are these 'threat levels' in protecting anyone? To me, critical means "Flee the country, everyone evacuate, code red" like zombie apocalypse. But they won't do that of course, because it's not critical and they have no intel. They just want everyone to feel like they *need* the current government and not to panic, go to work, keep shopping
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I wonder how you know what information the British government has about other jihadist plots, and how you know it is exaggerating the current danger. Do you have a friend in MI-5 who spills all the inside dope to you?
 
Higgins86 said:
What borders? You want to deploy the queens guard to Hadrians wall?
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I would suspect the UK has border police, custom officials, immigration folks, whatever they are called. They also have a Parliament, which can change immigration laws.
 
zyzygy said:
They don't because if they do it means that the terrorists have won.
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That's such an empty platitude. Terrorists want us dead. If we let them kill us, they win.
 
DA60 said:
You made it sound like I loved terrorist attacks
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I made it sound like you're exactly as guilty of what you're accusing others of, no more, no less. I believe you are, just as you apparently believe politicians and governments are.

DA60 said:
Whereas I have ample proof politicians do.
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No you don't. You might have evidence, even proof, of a few individuals politicians who do (or did) but nothing justifying a generic attack at all politicians and all government. Incidentally, I used to work for a government agency. :)

DA60 said:
But, imo, they LOVE the power and control that they can exercise as a result of those attacks.
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And IMO, you're using the terrorist attack as a basis for your attack on government (and the poster who simply acknowledged a government statement).
 
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