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Explosions in UK concert venue.[W:55, W:66, W:341, W:353]

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Cisero said:
What problem should be brought to them ? Are you inferring that Radical Islamic Terrorism must be brought to Islamic countries ?
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Well I don't see the point in that, since it's already there.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
So in other words be incredibly stupid and ensure such attacks continue indefinitely by murdering millions of unconnected people.

Once again, thank god nobody on this board is in counter terrorism.
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Yeah, that's a horrible idea.
 
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rhinefire said:
Mostly young women, mothers and children (little girls) 81 total victims not counting the numbers that are in shock and will have nightmares forever.
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It is the softest target. It will hurt more.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
Most Americans have no idea what the lives of the rest of the world is like as WE are the 1%. We American's have it quite good. The rest of the world has to contend with a harsher reality. Conscious is a luxury still. That's why its in rare supply.
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I began my education at 13 in El Salvador. That's when I realized that what I understood as "poverty" was not. But I must disagree with you on conscience.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if they were, but nobody's paying attention so we have no idea.

All this screeching about Mexico distracts from the fact that even if the border wall was bulit there still would be easy entry for illegal immigration.
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I say this with respect, but nevertheless say that if you lived in a border state, you would probably hold a much different opinion.
 
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Blue_State said:
It is the softest target. It will hurt more.
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But it may create more righteous anger and resolve as well.
 
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zimmer said:
What "reputable" news agencies? ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, WaPo or NYT.

Sorry, they're not reputable. They're The Goebbels media, and have illustrated that clearly and repeatedly since Trump announced his candidacy for president... just in case you hadn;t noticed how vile they were in the decades running up to his candidacy.
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You live in a perverted paranoid subculture.
 
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nota bene said:
I say this with respect, but nevertheless say that if you lived in a border state, you would probably hold a much different opinion.
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Most likely. But I would find it very ironic that even with the "Wall" we'd still be having problems.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
The problem needs to be brought to a very close focus. Its needs to be brought home to them, to push them into acting against the radicals.
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The problem is already there. Lots of innocent people die in terrorist bombings all the time in that region. Terrorist insurgent groups are everywhere, destabilizing the whole place.

Compared to their situation, we have it good.
 
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TheGoverness said:
Uh, that's going waaaay overboard. Not only does that sound barbaric as hell, that would just be a ton of inspiration for even more radical Islamic movements to rise up. You can't just destroy an ideology with mass killings and bombings.
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What do you suggest? War is but barbarism writ large. If we are at war with the radicals it is my contention that we act like we are at war with them and prosecute the war in a fashion that ends the issue. The piecemeal way we are conducting it now is foolish at best and encourages more war. All I am saying is if we are going to kill people and break stuff, then we should do it right and give the radicals their war in the fullest of measures. WE are the ones dragging this issue out, not the radicals. We keep giving the radicals hope. So long as they have hope they will continue. We could have ended this mess decades ago if we wanted. This is SSDD. We had this problem with the Barbary pirates. TJ dealt with it with extreme prejudice.
 
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TheGoverness said:
The problem is already there. Lots of innocent people die in terrorist bombings all the time in that region. Terrorist insurgent groups are everywhere, destabilizing the whole place.

Compared to their situation, we have it good.
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The light must be harsh and the choice must be clear. It is not for them yet. That place is NOT stable to begin with. Its a house of cards.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
So in other words be incredibly stupid and ensure such attacks continue indefinitely by murdering millions of unconnected people.

Once again, thank god nobody on this board is in counter terrorism.
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What would you suggest?
 
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PirateMk1 said:
What do you suggest? War is but barbarism writ large. If we are at war with the radicals it is my contention that we act like we are at war with them and prosecute the war in a fashion that ends the issue. The piecemeal way we are conducting it now is foolish at best and encourages more war. All I am saying is if we are going to kill people and break stuff, then we should do it right and give the radicals their war in the fullest of measures. WE are the ones dragging this issue out, not the radicals. We keep giving the radicals hope. So long as they have hope they will continue. We could have ended this mess decades ago if we wanted. This is SSDD. We had this problem with the Barbary pirates. TJ dealt with it with extreme prejudice.
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There isn't an easy, simple solution when it comes to combating Islamic terrorism. This is a complicated issue, that has no single, definitive answer.

But doing what you suggest is nowhere near approaching a viable solution. You say what we're doing now encourages more war? That's about the only thing your "solution" is going to bring about; with indiscriminately bombing and destroying an entire region (that's already war-torn to begin with), killing who knows how many innocent people. And I'm positive our Allies would have a serious problem with that, which would probably put us into conflict with them.

Your "strategy" seems to be built mainly out of emotion, and not out of reason.
 
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Freaking terrorist coward piece of ****. So sorry for everyone affected by this.
 
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TheGoverness said:
There isn't an easy, simple solution when it comes to combating Islamic terrorism. This is a complicated issue, that has no single, definitive answer.

But doing what you suggest is nowhere near approaching a viable solution. You say what we're doing now encourages more war? That's about the only thing your solution is going to bring about; with indiscriminately bombing an entire region, killing who knows how many innocent people. And I'm positive our Allies would have a serious problem with that, which would probably put us into conflict with them.

Your "strategy" seems to be built mainly out of emotion, and not out of reason.
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Not emotion far from it. Brutal reality. Unless the Muslim population at large is pushed into rooting the radicals out, then radicals will continue to have safe haven.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
Not emotion far from it. Brutal reality. Unless the Muslim population at large is pushed into rooting the radicals out, then radicals will continue to have safe haven.
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Call it what you want.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Well, it's not going to be a fast, and it's not going to be easy.

First off, we simply can not allow terrorists to control perception of the US in the minds of the Muslim world. Shutting the borders won't work. Increasing vetting was a good idea, but by delibrately bringing up the religion of those being targeted it was turned into a polarizing issue. It would have been smarter simply to announce that all immigrants would under go more through vetting.

Next, we'd have to invest serious time and effort in turning the militaries of countries like Iraq into capable fighting forces which could prevent a void opening up where terrorist groups can operate freely. That'll take time and resources.

A combination of those two, plus additional steps, will greatly reduce the threat of terrorist attacks once they are complete. .
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PirateMk1 said:
What would you suggest?
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That.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
The problem needs to be brought to a very close focus. Its needs to be brought home to them, to push them into acting against the radicals.
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The problem is not immigration...its not improperly vetted immigrants. The problem is Islam, and specifically fundamentalist Islam. Until people...all people...are willing to address that, the problem will not just continue, it will grow.

In the US the San Bernardino terrorist clearly demonstrated that poverty isnt the issue. Bad treatment of the poor or of immigrants isnt the issue. Islam is the problem. Recently, an American man converted to Islam and then 2 days later killed his friends for disrespecting his new found religion. In Denmark, a week before the Manchester bombing a 17 year old Danish teen and recent convert to Islam was convicted of a plot to murder kids in her school using bombs. A week ago in the US 2 Muslims were arrested with guns, a grenade, and bomb making materials in their car. Im sure they had no evil intent. The common theme is not immigrants. Its not gender. Its not age. Its not income level. Its not mental capacity. The common theme is Islam.
 
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I can't speak for everyone one in England but here in Woking there is a real sense of anger and its easy to see why when you see the pictures of these victims. I can see people reacting to this especially some right wing groups.
 
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NIMBY said:
How do you know the likes aren't from russian trolls all over the Internet? Why the faux outrage over trump still being covered in an international trip?

Are all conservative posters to be blamed because some are playing sick politics using dead kids ?
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Again with the Russians? Good gawd.
 
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TheGoverness said:
Same. It sucks that **** like this has to happen.
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And Islam has been perpetrating this type of violence for thousands of years. The rest of humanity has evolved. Not them.
 
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