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Trump to call for 'stamping out extremism' in speech to Muslim leaders

beerftw said:
To unsave you some time for one saudi is not the only country who shared intel with us, their rival iran has shared more valuable intel on al quaeda and isis. After 9/11 almost all of the foreign intel on tracking down terrorists as well as terrorism in iraq came from iran, who is a sworn enemy of sunni terrorism, being a shia country.

Iran can hate our guts to the end but they hate isis and al quaeda more, while saudi arabia has been shown to ignore al quaeda in yemen and is heavily believed to be supporting isis much like turkey is in syria.
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One, Trump preaching to Muslims about radical jihadism is bizarre.

Two, the type of jihadism aimed at the West comes from the wilder side of Sunnism not Shi'aism.
 
beerftw said:
To unsave you some time for one saudi is not the only country who shared intel with us, their rival iran has shared more valuable intel on al quaeda and isis. After 9/11 almost all of the foreign intel on tracking down terrorists as well as terrorism in iraq came from iran, who is a sworn enemy of sunni terrorism, being a shia country.

Iran can hate our guts to the end but they hate isis and al quaeda more, while saudi arabia has been shown to ignore al quaeda in yemen and is heavily believed to be supporting isis much like turkey is in syria.
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Of course SA is turning a blind eye to ISIS. There are very few degrees of separation between SA's Wahhabism and ISIS fundamentalism.
 
eohrnberger said:
Naawww. It's just you. :mrgreen:

It was Obama that enabled the Middle East Arms race, by letting lose Iran, who promptly took all those billions Obama gave them to the Russians for arms.

So really, this is little more than keeping things even. The fueling of the fire was done by Obama. And was predicted. And was ignored.
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There is no middle eastern arms race, Iran has long bought soviet equipment ever since the shah was overthrown, and saudi arabia has bought our equipment. This is a proxy war between saudi arabia and iran, and yemen where saudi is committing war crimes daily is one of the two proxy wars, the other being syria.

Houthi rebels are fighting saudi arabia, the country is divided three ways between saudi supporters, houthi rebels who are majority shia but a large number of their backers are not, and al quaeda. Saudi refuses to attack al quaeda in yemen, and instead uses all of their attacks to focus on houthi rebels.

The war in yemen broke out because saudi arabia installed a puppet leader for yemen. The other proxy war being syria, with the arab states and turkey funding and supporting the overthrow of assad, and iran russia and lebanon supporting assad as well as the majority of the people of syria.

It is a sunni vs shia conflict, that escalated with the invasion of iraq, as saddam was a buffer zone between them, and was friends of neither, with his fall started a proxy war between iran and saudi to control the middle east sunni vs shia.
 
Here is a transcript of the speech:

Full transcript: Trump's speech to the Arab Islamic American Summit - POLITICO

My take on it?

What a load of ****.

He goes on and on and on and on about terrorism. He does not once mention the horrible human rights records of Saudi Arabia...****ing coward (or maybe he does not object to the way the Saudi Royal Family treats it's citizens).

Hey Trump, you stupid moron? The terrorism has NOTHING to do with religion - I realize most Trumpbots are too stupid/ignorant/uneducated to realize this as well. Religion is just the excuse/the vehicle they use. The reason for terrorism is poverty and/or political repression.

Iran is thought of so horrifically by the West. Yet where were almost all of the 9/11 terrorists from? Saudi Arabia where repression is incredible.

Trump is so stupid. By kissing the RSF's asses and selling them tons of weapons, all he is doing is sewing the seeds for the next 9/11 attack as repressed Saudi's who have few rights and are tortured and beheaded for the most minuscule things, will resent American's for propping up and supporting their horrible regime.

The key to ending Islamic terrorism is to get the hell out of the Middle East and let them fix their own problems and condemn horrible regimes like Saudi Arabia's.

But no, Trump and his ignorant Trumpbots are utterly clueless how to battle terrorism. Just like they are utterly clueless how to battle 'the war on drugs'. All they know is throwing more money and more force at them. Idiots.


Once again, I have ZERO loyalty to any political party or movement.
 
Winston said:
Trump to call for 'stamping out extremism' in speech to Muslim leaders | Fox News


Also Trump: Let's sign a 110 Billion dollar weapons deal.

Is it just me? Or does Trump look like a completely ridiculous American boob. Wouldn't it be prudent to evaluate Wahhabism and the rise of Wahhabism within the Saudi Kingdom.. Before going out on a podium and railing against religious extremism, to an audience of religious fundamentalists. It comes across as lacking sophistifaction and is rhetoric you might want to just let alone in Riyadh. Like those Arabs are going to listen to Blowhard Donald Trump, and think to themselves, "by golly, he's right. all this Wahhabism is wrong. Thank Allah some American could set us straight."

My second point is, let the Saudi's fight their own proxy war against Iran. The U.S. should not be fueling the fire with a giant weapons deal.
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Stomp out extremism? OK. So when is he going to assassinate himself. :mrgreen:
 
KevinKohler said:
World peace would bankrupt this country.


Also, world is not on the table. You've gotta play U N nthe USS hand you e been dealt. I'm no fan of blowing US money on war, either, nor am I a fan of the privatization of profit from arms deals, but there it is, that's the reality. Your lean says progressive, so let me ask you, do you feel there is a party currently in existence that you think would facilitate your desire, concerning not supporting war, as you see it?
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Who are you to question a poster's lean when your's is undisclosed? At least he's honest enough to say who he is. When will you tell us you're a conservative ?
 
DA60 said:
Here is a transcript of the speech:

Full transcript: Trump's speech to the Arab Islamic American Summit - POLITICO

My take on it?

What a load of ****.

He goes on and on and on and on about terrorism. He does not once mention the horrible human rights records of Saudi Arabia...****ing coward (or maybe he does not object to the way the Saudi Royal Family treats it's citizens).

Hey Trump, you stupid moron? The terrorism has NOTHING to do with religion - I realize most Trumpbots are too stupid/ignorant/uneducated to realize this as well. Religion is just the excuse/the vehicle they use. The reason for terrorism is poverty and/or political repression.

Iran is thought of so horrifically by the West. Yet where were almost all of the 9/11 terrorists from? Saudi Arabia where repression is incredible.

Trump is so stupid. By kissing the RSF's asses and selling them tons of weapons, all he is doing is sewing the seeds for the next 9/11 attack as repressed Saudi's who have few rights and are tortured and beheaded for the most minuscule things, will resent American's for propping up and supporting their horrible regime.

The key to ending Islamic terrorism is to get the hell out of the Middle East and let them fix their own problems and condemn horrible regimes like Saudi Arabia's.

But no, Trump and his ignorant Trumpbots are utterly clueless how to battle terrorism. Just like they are utterly clueless how to battle 'the war on drugs'. All they know is throwing more money and more force at them. Idiots.


Once again, I have ZERO loyalty to any political party or movement.
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To be even handed, Obama also kissed their asses. Hillary would have kissed their asses too. So I guess that makes us a nation of ass kissers. LOL.
 
danarhea said:
To be even handed, Obama also kissed their asses. Hillary would have kissed their asses too. So I guess that makes us a nation of ass kissers. LOL.
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Why do you think chickenhawk trump was too afraid to use one of his favorite attack lines, 'radical Islamic terrorists'?

And how about a fuming Bibi having to order his cabinet to show up for trump ?
 
Winston said:
Trump to call for 'stamping out extremism' in speech to Muslim leaders | Fox News


Also Trump: Let's sign a 110 Billion dollar weapons deal.

Is it just me? Or does Trump look like a completely ridiculous American boob. Wouldn't it be prudent to evaluate Wahhabism and the rise of Wahhabism within the Saudi Kingdom.. Before going out on a podium and railing against religious extremism, to an audience of religious fundamentalists. It comes across as lacking sophistifaction and is rhetoric you might want to just let alone in Riyadh. Like those Arabs are going to listen to Blowhard Donald Trump, and think to themselves, "by golly, he's right. all this Wahhabism is wrong. Thank Allah some American could set us straight."

My second point is, let the Saudi's fight their own proxy war against Iran. The U.S. should not be fueling the fire with a giant weapons deal.
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I think I just got whiplash from the double take I just did here.

Seriously...you're going to complain about Trump trying to get Muslim governments to help crack down on terrorists?

Now I KNOW that all the outrage happening is just because of "OMG TRUMP!!!!"
 
Kal'Stang said:
I think I just got whiplash from the double take I just did here.

Seriously...you're going to complain about Trump trying to get Muslim governments to help crack down on terrorists?

Now I KNOW that all the outrage happening is just because of "OMG TRUMP!!!!"
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Meh.. Dumb speech IMO. Do you know much about Wahhabism and how it relates to the Saudi's?
 
DA60 said:
Hey Trump, you stupid moron? The terrorism has NOTHING to do with religion - I realize most Trumpbots are too stupid/ignorant/uneducated to realize this as well. Religion is just the excuse/the vehicle they use. The reason for terrorism is poverty and/or political repression.
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The key to ending Islamic terrorism is to get the hell out of the Middle East and let them fix their own problems and condemn horrible regimes like Saudi Arabia's.
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You realize that you are contradicting yourself here right? You say that the terrorism has nothing to do with religion...and then turn right around and say "Islamic terrorism". That is a contradiction in terms.
 
Winston said:
Meh.. Dumb speech IMO. Do you know much about Wahhabism and how it relates to the Saudi's?
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Nope. Nor do I care to, or need to. :shrug: I don't need to know that in order to support someone for calling on countries to stamp out terrorism.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Nope. Nor do I care to, or need to. :shrug: I don't need to know that in order to support someone for calling on countries to stamp out terrorism.
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Well Wahhabism is an ultra conservative interpretation of Islam founded by Mohammed ibn Abdul Wahhab. In it they mandate purification and death to those not practicing pure enough Islam. They pretty much created the jihad as it exists today. He formed an alliance with Mohammed ibn Saud, together they united the tribes under Wahhabism to form Saudi Arabia. Without Wahhabism you have no radical Sunni extremists like AQ and ISIS, because they get their permission to kill infidels from Wahhabism, which Saudi Arabia bases its government on.

Trumps speech seen with this in mind is, like a previous poster said, absurd. It's like sending a gun control advocate to give a speech at the NRA.
 
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Winston said:
Well Wahhabism is an ultra conservative interpretation of Islam founded by Mohammed ibn Abdul Wahhab. In it they mandate purification and death to those not practicing pure enough Islam. They pretty much created the jihad as it exists today. He formed an alliance with Mohammed ibn Saud, together they united the tribes under Wahhabism to form Saudi Arabia. Without Wahhabism you have no radical Sunni extremists like AQ and ISIS, because they get their permission to kill infidels from Wahhabism, which Saudi Arabia bases its government on.

Trumps speech seen with this in mind is, like a previous poster said, absurd.
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Bull****. You may think its absurd. But I still support it. I supported it when Obama did the exact same thing and I support it now with Trump doing it. Interestingly enough I never once heard anyone speak out against Obama saying that him calling on Islamic Countries to crack down on terrorism as being "absurd". Like I said originally: Now I KNOW that all the outrage happening is just because of "OMG TRUMP!!!!"

BTW: Your little history lesson, while informative, didn't change my mind in the least.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Bull****. You may think its absurd. But I still support it. I supported it when Obama did the exact same thing and I support it now with Trump doing it. Interestingly enough I never once heard anyone speak out against Obama saying that him calling on Islamic Countries to crack down on terrorism as being "absurd". Like I said originally: Now I KNOW that all the outrage happening is just because of "OMG TRUMP!!!!"

BTW: Your little history lesson, while informative, didn't change my mind in the least.
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Yeah, I mean everyone agrees that Islamic terrorism is evil and should be stopped at all costs. But, that's just not what the Saudis do. They let AQ and ISIS fight their proxy wars against the Shia. Ironically, Trump should've gone to Syria and gave his speech on fighting Islamic Terror to someone who is actually fighting AQ and ISIS everyday, Bashar Assad.
 
ecofarm said:
To save myself time, I'm just gonna quote my post from another thread.
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Sorry, how many terrorist attacks have happened in America or Western Europe because of extremists funded and supported by religious ideology that grew from Saudi Arabia and associated nations? Now compare that with the number of terrorist attacks that have happened in America or Western Europe because of extremists funded and supported by religious ideology that grew from Iran or associated nations?

We are supporting and linked to the wrong nation. I know Iran is a major threat to Israel but I would prefer we worked with Iran (and by association Russia) to make links and at the same time pressure them into changing their stance against Israel.

Iran also hates IS and has supported forces fighting in Iraq against IS. It also is not the country we think it is when we look at their leadership - ordinary Iranians on the ground are not what we remember from the revolutionary forces of Ayatollah Khomeini's era.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Sorry, how many terrorist attacks have happened in America or Western Europe because of extremists funded and supported by religious ideology that grew from Saudi Arabia and associated nations? Now compare that with the number of terrorist attacks that have happened in America or Western Europe because of extremists funded and supported by religious ideology that grew from Iran or associated nations?
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The government of SA shares intel and works with the US against terrorism. Private individuals are responsible for exporting terrorism from SA.

Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Sorry, how many terrorist attacks have happened in America or Western Europe because of extremists funded and supported by religious ideology that grew from Saudi Arabia and associated nations? Now compare that with the number of terrorist attacks that have happened in America or Western Europe because of extremists funded and supported by religious ideology that grew from Iran or associated nations?

We are supporting and linked to the wrong nation. I know Iran is a major threat to Israel but I would prefer we worked with Iran (and by association Russia) to make links and at the same time pressure them into changing their stance against Israel.

Iran also hates IS and has supported forces fighting in Iraq against IS. It also is not the country we think it is when we look at their leadership - ordinary Iranians on the ground are not what we remember from the revolutionary forces of Ayatollah Khomeini's era.
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Ordinary Iranians don't matter, it ain't a democracy, Iran is the darkest regime in the world together with NK and unlike NK it's actually committing countless atrocities and interventions around the world; in Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Lebanon through proxy Islamic terror organizations it controls. It's the leading state sponsor of terrorism in the world. Siding with Iran because it opposes ISIS is silly just like siding with ISIS because they oppose Iran.
 
ecofarm said:
~ Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world.
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Apocalypse said:
~ It's the leading state sponsor of terrorism in the world. Siding with Iran because it opposes ISIS is silly just like siding with ISIS because they oppose Iran.
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I agree on that part however when we talk about islamic terrorism in the West, it's not down to Iranians or Iranian inspired terrorists.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I agree on that part however when we talk about islamic terrorism in the West, it's not down to Iranians or Iranian inspired terrorists.
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True, they don't send their citizens to blow themselves up in a train in London and murder British citizens.
That doesn't mean that all the other stuff they do should be ignored.
And they don't inspire terrorists they control terrorists, Hezbollah is an Iranian controlled terror group, it's in its name that it had committed the attacks on the Jewish community in Buenos Aires, on Israeli citizens within and outside Israel, on the American barracks in 1983 and so on. Iran also supported financially the Taliban, Hamas and others. Many American and Western soldiers have been killed or maimed by insurgents using Iranian weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan.

As I said it doesn't make more sense to side with such regime than it is with any actual terror group.
 
Apocalypse said:
True, they don't send their citizens to blow themselves up in a train in London and murder British citizens.
That doesn't mean that all the other stuff they do should be ignored.
And they don't inspire terrorists they control terrorists, Hezbollah is an Iranian controlled terror group, it's in its name that it had committed the attacks on the Jewish community in Buenos Aires, on Israeli citizens within and outside Israel, on the American barracks in 1983 and so on. Iran also supported financially the Taliban, Hamas and others. Many American and Western soldiers have been killed or maimed by insurgents using Iranian weapons in Iraq and Afghanistan.

As I said it doesn't make more sense to side with such regime than it is with any actual terror group.
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TBH Apo, we shouldn't side with any of those forces or sides. I resent the picture portrayed that SA is some kind of friend or ally, it isn't. I totally accept the incidents you portray regarding Iran's actions against Israel and Western forces in the ME and in Afghanistan but right now, here in the UK and in America it will be jihadis paid for and inspired from within SA and her allies that are causing problems for us.

Our only reliable ally and nation we should side with is Israel and we should treat all the rest with deepest suspicion and mistrust. None of those nations have done anything serious to earn the word "ally."
 
joG said:
Why should we not sell the Saudis weapons? They have been one of the more longer standing allies we have. Not always an easy partnership, but they have been more dependable than most. And in the area they are the best counterweight to Iran, whose government and theocracy are our sworn and active enemies.
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This. They're not ideal, but they're stable and reasonably dependable.
 
vash1012 said:
I thought it was a pretty unremarkable speech really. Some will probably call him a hypocrit (again) for changing his rhetoric on Islam from the danger he presented it as during a campaign to one of the worlds great religions as he called it today, but Trump is not a man to criticize someone he sees as a friend. Parts of this speech would have sounded perfectly normal coming out of Obama's mouth or GWB. His comments about not pushing American values on them were the only really stand out Trump ideas in the speech. He's never been one for spreading democracy or human rights.
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That would qualify it as a good speech for Trump. :2razz:

Seriously, though: A couple parts made cringe a bit, but overall I thought it was fine. I actually did appreciate a little more toughness than we've displayed in the past. And the part where he said he wasn't there to lecture, then went on to lecture, made me chuckle.
 
danarhea said:
To be even handed, Obama also kissed their asses. Hillary would have kissed their asses too. So I guess that makes us a nation of ass kissers. LOL.
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Hell, Hillary prattles on about women's rights, made it a central theme of her campaign, and you know damn well she'd have been right there kissing SA's asses.
 
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