Under siege in Washington, Trump reaps Saudi arms deal, stronger ties

Whythink · May 21, 2017

Conservative said:
Would appreciate anyone on the left to explain to me what it is about the Trump actual agenda that bothers you, could it be the focus on economic activity, focus on job creation, and focus on National security?? How could any American be against those issues?

Maybe it is the attack on social programs that bother you because those social programs are administered by federal bureaucrats? Could it be that not enough spending is occurring because of the spending appetite for programs in the NAME of compassion? Could it be that you believe the Federal Govt. one size fits all program works in 50 sovereign states with 50 different costs of livings?

I really am trying to understand what the left truly wants?

I dislike the action of cut instead of fix.

I dislike the elimination of reasonable policies regarding overtime, the environment, healthy school lunches, the affordable care act and now, public education.

Much of what President Trump is doing/proposing may positively impact things now but do nothing to help the future.

The apparent cuts to public education including the elimination of the loan forgiveness is most disheartening.

I was hoping for some of his campaign promises; infrastructure, health care for all and investment in public education.

Needless to say I was never a fan but I was hopeful that the moderate candidate would return. Unfortunately the right wing extremists have the power and influence. The populist has been removed.

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Conservative · May 21, 2017

Whythink;1067227459]I dislike the action of cut instead of fix.

Cut what? ACA is being replaced but healthcare is a local and state responsibility not a federal one

I dislike the elimination of reasonable policies regarding overtime, the environment, healthy school lunches, the affordable care act and now, public education.

Would love an example of Trump cutting these issues although I don't support many of them again that is a state and local responsibility not a federal one

Much of what President Trump is doing/proposing may positively impact things now but do nothing to help the future.

Trump has only been in office 4 months and all the left is doing is trying to stonewall his agenda until next year's election in hopes of regaining Congress

The apparent cuts to public education including the elimination of the loan forgiveness is most disheartening.

Again, public education is funded by state and local taxes not federal tax dollars

I was hoping for some of his campaign promises; infrastructure, health care for all and investment in public education.

Again only 4 months and his EO's promote economic activity and job creation

Needless to say I was never a fan but I was hopeful that the moderate candidate would return. Unfortunately the right wing extremists have the power and influence. The populist has been removed.

Politicians got us into this mess of a 20 trillion dollar debt and 1.6% GDP growth, I voted for true change, much of the left wanted the status quo because that assures them of power and control

MTAtech · May 22, 2017

Conservative said:
Would appreciate anyone on the left to explain to me what it is about the Trump actual agenda that bothers you, could it be the focus on economic activity, focus on job creation, and focus on National security?? How could any American be against those issues?

Maybe it is the attack on social programs that bother you because those social programs are administered by federal bureaucrats? Could it be that not enough spending is occurring because of the spending appetite for programs in the NAME of compassion? Could it be that you believe the Federal Govt. one size fits all program works in 50 sovereign states with 50 different costs of livings?

I really am trying to understand what the left truly wants?

I am not sure who you mean by the "left," which is probably anyone not conservative. What Democrats and liberals want is a government that provides for the middle class and poor, instead of catering to the rich.

What bothers me (your first sentence) is presuming that Trump's agenda is on 'job creation' which isn't evident from what he's actually proposing. To working-class voters he promised a big infrastructure bill and better health insurance than Obamacare. But his legislative agenda has been standard establishment-Republican fare -- spending cuts to pay for upper-bracket tax cuts, rinse, repeat.

There is absolutely no economic evidence to support the right-wing claim that tax-cuts for the rich, service and program cuts for everyone else and regulation reduction is "pro-business" or "pro-jobs."

Conservative · May 22, 2017

MTAtech said:
I am not sure who you mean by the "left," which is probably anyone not conservative. What Democrats and liberals want is a government that provides for the middle class and poor, instead of catering to the rich.

What bothers me (your first sentence) is presuming that Trump's agenda is on 'job creation' which isn't evident from what he's actually proposing. To working-class voters he promised a big infrastructure bill and better health insurance than Obamacare. But his legislative agenda has been standard establishment-Republican fare -- spending cuts to pay for upper-bracket tax cuts, rinse, repeat.

There is absolutely no economic evidence to support the right-wing claim that tax-cuts for the rich, service and program cuts for everyone else and regulation reduction is "pro-business" or "pro-jobs."

Which just goes to show how poorly informed you are as we have 50 state governments closest to the problem with that authority. We don't need a bureaucrat in DC without term limits doing the job. Problems with the poor are paid for by the state and local taxpayers not the federal taxpayers. For some reason you never learned that

Trump has been in office 4 months, he is operating on the Obama budget and economic policies, he has however already cut spending and created jobs again something you give Obama credit for without the policies to do that. Trump's EO's are ignored by you

There is every bit of economic evidence, ACTUAL RESULTS, which show that allowing taxpayers to keep more of what they earn generates economic activity. You have been indoctrinated well into believing we need a massive federal govt. to spend in the name of compassion yet never truly solving any problem

Whythink · May 22, 2017

Conservative said:
Which just goes to show how poorly informed you are as we have 50 state governments closest to the problem with that authority. We don't need a bureaucrat in DC without term limits doing the job. Problems with the poor are paid for by the state and local taxpayers not the federal taxpayers. For some reason you never learned that

Trump has been in office 4 months, he is operating on the Obama budget and economic policies, he has however already cut spending and created jobs again something you give Obama credit for without the policies to do that. Trump's EO's are ignored by you

There is every bit of economic evidence, ACTUAL RESULTS, which show that allowing taxpayers to keep more of what they earn generates economic activity. You have been indoctrinated well into believing we need a massive federal govt. to spend in the name of compassion yet never truly solving any problem

As someone who blindly defends all President Trump has done/said, accusing others of indoctrination is beyond amusing.

Moreover, jobs that pollute, imprison and break up families; we can do better.

We had a standard that gives us a disadvantage in a global economy; President Trump indicated we could overcome that with a buy American campaign.

Instead we have a pollute, cut pay (OT) and benefits and build prisons campaign. Infrastructure should not result in more American's being incarcerated.

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Conservative · May 22, 2017

Whythink said:
As someone who blindly defends all President Trump has done/said, accusing others of indoctrination is beyond amusing.

Moreover, jobs that pollute, imprison and break up families; we can do better.

We had a standard that gives us a disadvantage in a global economy; President Trump indicated we could overcome that with a buy American campaign.

Instead we have a pollute, cut pay (OT) and benefits and build prisons campaign. Infrastructure should not result in more American's being incarcerated.

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Blindly? The guy has been in office only 4 months and I voted for him to do exactly what he is doing or trying to do. You aren't even giving him a chance making up some leftwing BS as to what he is doing without even doing any research.

Did they ever teach you civics in school? How about basic economics? Jobs that pollute? what jobs do that? you really have bought the liberal rhetoric and ignore the liberal results. 1.6% GDP growth, 9.4 TRILLION Added to the debt during the Obama term, 9.4% U-6 so why don't you tell me exactly what Trump has done in 4 months that you don't like, policies not rhetoric or opinions????

BillRM · May 22, 2017

<alt>doxygen said:
The Nixon/Kissinger PetroDollar deal made us some unfortunate bedfellows. We have been making deals with and protecting the Saudis for a long time.

Yes indeed we flew part of their royal family out to the country after 9/11 when all other aircrafts was grounded.

BillRM · May 22, 2017

apdst said:
The government is Islamic. If the government is bad, then it means that it's full of bad Muslims.

BTW, don't call people stupid if you can't spell better than that.

By that logic the Whitehouse is now full of very bad and very very stupid Christians.

Whythink · May 22, 2017

Conservative said:
Blindly? The guy has been in office only 4 months and I voted for him to do exactly what he is doing or trying to do. You aren't even giving him a chance making up some leftwing BS as to what he is doing without even doing any research.

Did they ever teach you civics in school? How about basic economics? Jobs that pollute? what jobs do that? you really have bought the liberal rhetoric and ignore the liberal results. 1.6% GDP growth, 9.4 TRILLION Added to the debt during the Obama term, 9.4% U-6 so why don't you tell me exactly what Trump has done in 4 months that you don't like, policies not rhetoric or opinions????

I listed a host of offensive remarks (JFK assassination, birtherism, grab her...) and you excused all of them. Yet the GDP and debt are all Obama with anyone mentioning 2 unfunded wars and the great recession is partisan.

I.e. blindly

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Conservative · May 22, 2017

Whythink said:
I listed a host of offensive remarks (JFK assassination, birtherism, grab her...) and you excused all of them. Yet the GDP and debt are all Obama with anyone mentioning 2 unfunded wars and the great recession is partisan.

I.e. blindly

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Rhetoric bothers you more than results. I will judge Trump on his results NOT HIS RHETORIC. Both sides said a lot of nasty things but I evaluated the Hillary and Trump results factoring in who would actually bring change to DC and voted for Trump. Change is harder to achieve than Trump ever expected but change is happening.

Debt isn't all Obama's but 9.4 trillion is, that is the price of leadership, you take the numbers given you 10.6 trillion and react, Obama did, 19.9 trillion when he left, it is 19.8 trillion today.

Unfunded wars are in that 10.6 trillion Obama inherited. Why is it that results don't matter to people like you?

MTAtech · May 22, 2017

Conservative said:
Which just goes to show how poorly informed you are as we have 50 state governments closest to the problem with that authority. We don't need a bureaucrat in DC without term limits doing the job. Problems with the poor are paid for by the state and local taxpayers not the federal taxpayers. For some reason you never learned that

Trump has been in office 4 months, he is operating on the Obama budget and economic policies, he has however already cut spending and created jobs again something you give Obama credit for without the policies to do that. Trump's EO's are ignored by you

There is every bit of economic evidence, ACTUAL RESULTS, which show that allowing taxpayers to keep more of what they earn generates economic activity. You have been indoctrinated well into believing we need a massive federal govt. to spend in the name of compassion yet never truly solving any problem

I know, if anyone disagrees with you, they are misinformed.

As for the notion that the states are capable of handling the social and economic problems in the nation was tried and the conclusion was that they are inadequate for that purpose. That's exactly why the federal government is involved. Sorry, but Mississippi, as a poor state, isn't able to take care of the poor nor reverse national income inequality. The 50 states shouldn't be running their own versions of Social Security and Medicare. That makes no sense -- except for those that hate government for no other reason that they hate government.

As for your last statement that Trump has "cut spending and created jobs." I don't know where he has cut spending, except by not filling necessary vacancies in the executive branch, such as all the U.S. Attorney Generals that he hastily fired and not replaced. But on the theory that cutting spending creates jobs, please explain how that works, exactly? Spending is what creates jobs. When spending declines, we get recessions.

In any case, you did assert that "Trump created jobs." So, let's compare early 2016 with early 2017, as a comparison of Obama/Trump job creation:

Green is when the year is higher than the other year and red is when it is lower.

Month.....2016......2017
Jan.......151,000...227,000
Feb.......242,000...235,000
Mar.......215,000...98,000
April.....160,000...211,000

Notice how job gains under Trump are consistently above that of Obama? Me neither. I see no pattern.

MTAtech · May 22, 2017

Conservative said:
Rhetoric bothers you more than results. I will judge Trump on his results NOT HIS RHETORIC. Both sides said a lot of nasty things but I evaluated the Hillary and Trump results factoring in who would actually bring change to DC and voted for Trump. Change is harder to achieve than Trump ever expected but change is happening.

Debt isn't all Obama's but 9.4 trillion is, that is the price of leadership, you take the numbers given you 10.6 trillion and react, Obama did, 19.9 trillion when he left, it is 19.8 trillion today.

Unfunded wars are in that 10.6 trillion Obama inherited. Why is it that results don't matter to people like you?

As we discussed many, many times, debt growth under Obama was due to the great recession and specifically revenue declines. That would have happened no matter who sat in the Oval Office at the time.

But while you bemoan debt, you ignore that Trump's stated tax policy will add at least $5 trillion dollars to the debt -- on top of what is already $10T projected.

KLATTU · May 22, 2017

Has Trump been impeached yey?
No?
How boring.

ttwtt78640 · May 22, 2017

Conservative said:
Which just goes to show how poorly informed you are as we have 50 state governments closest to the problem with that authority. We don't need a bureaucrat in DC without term limits doing the job. Problems with the poor are paid for by the state and local taxpayers not the federal taxpayers. For some reason you never learned that

Trump has been in office 4 months, he is operating on the Obama budget and economic policies, he has however already cut spending and created jobs again something you give Obama credit for without the policies to do that. Trump's EO's are ignored by you

There is every bit of economic evidence, ACTUAL RESULTS, which show that allowing taxpayers to keep more of what they earn generates economic activity. You have been indoctrinated well into believing we need a massive federal govt. to spend in the name of compassion yet never truly solving any problem

That (bolded above) assertion is far from reality which is why the vast majority of federal spending is on "entitlements" while the vast majority of state and local spending is on education and infrastructure.

Conservative · May 22, 2017

ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) assertion is far from reality which is why the vast majority of federal spending is on "entitlements" while the vast majority of state and local spending is on education and infrastructure.

I was talking about the consequences of the poor and that makes them the state responsibility

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akyron · May 22, 2017

L0neW0lf said:
Taking "credit" for making history arming a regime guilty of war crimes, extensively arming the most oppressive, most sexist, most homophobic, most intolerant country on earth. Ensuring that this country can continue to spread its putrid extremist ideology, supporting its regional hegemony and influence. A country where there is currently a woman on trial for "witchcraft" and a poet scheduled for execution for atheism.

I guess you did not hear the speeches.

Conservative · May 22, 2017

MTAtech said:
As we discussed many, many times, debt growth under Obama was due to the great recession and specifically revenue declines. That would have happened no matter who sat in the Oval Office at the time.

But while you bemoan debt, you ignore that Trump's stated tax policy will add at least $5 trillion dollars to the debt -- on top of what is already $10T projected.

What you are ignoring is the worst recovery in history and the 1.6% GDP LAST year and the failed stimulus to create taxpayers

How long are you going to ignore the actual results passing off partisan numbers out of context as fact?

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Conservative · May 22, 2017

MTAtech said:
As we discussed many, many times, debt growth under Obama was due to the great recession and specifically revenue declines. That would have happened no matter who sat in the Oval Office at the time.

But while you bemoan debt, you ignore that Trump's stated tax policy will add at least $5 trillion dollars to the debt -- on top of what is already $10T projected.

You have no idea what Trump policies will do to the debt because of no understanding of economic growth from those policies

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Whythink · May 22, 2017

Conservative said:
What you are ignoring is the worst recovery in history and the 1.6% GDP LAST year and the failed stimulus to create taxpayers

How long are you going to ignore the actual results passing off partisan numbers out of context as fact?

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You dislike the recovery, I dislike the cause.

You believe the cause would have resulted in a better recovery.

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MTAtech · May 22, 2017

Conservative said:
You have no idea what Trump policies will do to the debt because of no understanding of economic growth from those policies.

Actually, I am very familiar with the discredited theory that tax-cuts result in more revenue. It didn't work during Reagan and it didn't work during Bush. Nevertheless, conservatives will continue to push the zombie lie, tax-cuts=revenue increases because it results in what they want, tax-cuts. While you may not believe that I have economic credibility, the Tax Foundation made the judgment that Trump policies would result in staggering debt. Their conclusion was:

According to the Tax Foundation’s Taxes and Growth Model, the plan would reduce federal revenue by between $4.4 trillion and $5.9 trillion on a static basis. The amount depends on the nature of a key business policy provision.

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/...ould-land-america-10-trillion-deeper-in-debt/

There is even less evidence that cutting spending results in your economic miracle. When the government spends money, some person or entity gets that money and also spends it. That's called economic activity that shows up in the metric of GDP. When spending is cut, those people or entities don't have money to spend and it contracts the economy -- resulting in lower economic activity and a lower GDP.

While you are quick to insult other people's understanding of economics, yours represents economic illiteracy.

Conservative · May 22, 2017

Whythink said:
You dislike the recovery, I dislike the cause.

You believe the cause would have resulted in a better recovery.

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So do I however unlike you I know Bush had help from a Democratic Congress, and yes a better stimulus would ha e generated better and quicker results

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Conservative · May 22, 2017

MTAtech said:
Actually, I am very familiar with the discredited theory that tax-cuts result in more revenue. It didn't work during Reagan and it didn't work during Bush. Nevertheless, conservatives will continue to push the zombie lie, tax-cuts=revenue increases because it results in what they want, tax-cuts. While you may not believe that I have economic credibility, the Tax Foundation made the judgment that Trump policies would result in staggering debt. Their conclusion was:

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/...ould-land-america-10-trillion-deeper-in-debt/

There is even less evidence that cutting spending results in your economic miracle. When the government spends money, some person or entity gets that money and also spends it. That's called economic activity that shows up in the metric of GDP. When spending is cut, those people or entities don't have money to spend and it contracts the economy -- resulting in lower economic activity and a lower GDP.

While you are quick to insult other people's understanding of economics, yours represents economic illiteracy.

I am sorry because again Treasury disagrees with as FIT revenue grew over 60% AFTER the Reagan tax cuts and Bush had similar results. Revisionist history and results out of context destroys your credibility

You are a big gov't liberal who ignores anything and anyone that disagrees with you.

Again petition your sources to prevent BEA BLA from posting actual data

People keeping more of what they earn through tax cuts creates economic activity which creates jobs

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holbritter · May 22, 2017

DA60 said:
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And if Obama did it, I would have said the EXACT same thing about him.

Anyone who is for this deal just spat on the human rights of average Saudi's.

He did

holbritter · May 22, 2017

I think it's stupid to sell arms to any country that can/will turn around and use them against us. I don't care what country it is.

Grand Mal · May 22, 2017

L0neW0lf said:
Taking "credit" for making history arming a regime guilty of war crimes, extensively arming the most oppressive, most sexist, most homophobic, most intolerant country on earth. Ensuring that this country can continue to spread its putrid extremist ideology, supporting its regional hegemony and influence. A country where there is currently a woman on trial for "witchcraft" and a poet scheduled for execution for atheism.

A couple years ago they beheaded a sorcerer.

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