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"Clock boy" discrimination lawsuit dismissed by federal judge

Deuce said:
Repeatedly disrupting classrooms is. At least pretend you're reading my posts.
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If memory serves me correct the student with the clock was told to keep the clock out of sight by a teacher because it can be a distraction but instead took it to another class where he was showing it off disrupting the class and the alarm went off again disrupting the class. The school would of been correct in his suspension for disrupting class.

Do you agree?
 
Salsassin said:
A stunt in which a kid took apart a clock, and then took it to school claiming it was homemade, and which he knew looked like a bomb. He intended on getting arrested.
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It looked like a bomb? Really? Then how come not one single person in the entire building thought there was even a .000001% chance it was a bomb?
 
Chillfolks said:
If memory serves me correct the student with the clock was told to keep the clock out of sight by a teacher because it can be a distraction but instead took it to another class where he was showing it off disrupting the class and the alarm went off again disrupting the class. The school would of been correct in his suspension for disrupting class.

Do you agree?
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...is...is a suspension what you think happened to the kid?
 
Jack Hays said:
Not likely since it was the first reaction.
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No it absolutely was not. Nobody reacted to what they thought was a bomb. That's what I'm trying to get you people to understand.

Not one single person ever conceived it could remotely possibly be a bomb.

You know how we can prove that? The first reaction you mentioned yourself.

First reaction: "Put that away."
Second reaction: "Ok let's pick up this device and carry it to another part of the building to the principle's office."

These aren't reactions to a bomb. The reaction to even the slightest possibility of a bomb is don't ****in touch it and "get all of the children out of the building."

If the administration thought it was a bomb, they should be imprisoned for reckless endangerment of every last child in the building because they didn't evacuate them. Is there an equivalent to an attempted negligent homicide? Yeah, that.
 
Deuce said:
No it absolutely was not. Nobody reacted to what they thought was a bomb. That's what I'm trying to get you people to understand.

Not one single person ever conceived it could remotely possibly be a bomb.

You know how we can prove that? The first reaction you mentioned yourself.

First reaction: "Put that away."
Second reaction: "Ok let's pick up this device and carry it to another part of the building to the principle's office."

These aren't reactions to a bomb. The reaction to even the slightest possibility of a bomb is don't ****in touch it and "get all of the children out of the building."

If the administration thought it was a bomb, they should be imprisoned for reckless endangerment of every last child in the building because they didn't evacuate them. Is there an equivalent to an attempted negligent homicide? Yeah, that.
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I believe the links in #30 put that to rest.
 
Deuce said:
Not a single person in that school thought it was a bomb, there is absolute proof of that. And by that, I mean they personally were absolutely, 100% certain the device was not a bomb.
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And there are kids getting suspended from school for making a gun shape with their fingers. Pretty sure no one believed it was a real gun.
 
Deuce said:
No it absolutely was not. Nobody reacted to what they thought was a bomb. That's what I'm trying to get you people to understand.

Not one single person ever conceived it could remotely possibly be a bomb.

You know how we can prove that? The first reaction you mentioned yourself.

First reaction: "Put that away."
Second reaction: "Ok let's pick up this device and carry it to another part of the building to the principle's office."

These aren't reactions to a bomb. The reaction to even the slightest possibility of a bomb is don't ****in touch it and "get all of the children out of the building."

If the administration thought it was a bomb, they should be imprisoned for reckless endangerment of every last child in the building because they didn't evacuate them. Is there an equivalent to an attempted negligent homicide? Yeah, that.
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The first teacher was an engineering teacher. The second English teacher definitely said it looked like a bomb. That they didn't freak out is a testament to them knowing him. You know how many times a shooting has begun by someone pulling a gun and people assume it is a joke, or a toy gun. A known person trying to kill you out of the blue will create cognitive dissonance. That the teacher told him to put it away was testament enough that the suitcase with a clock could be misinterpreted as a bomb. That they didn't see it as a bomb speak to the level of trust they subconsciously had for him.
 
Jack Hays said:
I believe the links in #30 put that to rest.
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They didn't evacuate. Therefore they either didn't think it was a bomb, or they are literal criminals. Pick one.

It doesn't matter what random ass people on the street think about the device. The school's actions matter, and those actions show with absolute certainty they didn't think it was a bomb. (or they were attempting to facilitate the murder of children, if that's your perception please say so)

Anthony60 said:
And there are kids getting suspended from school for making a gun shape with their fingers. Pretty sure no one believed it was a real gun.
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Correct. And nobody shot the kid either, no SWAT team, no evacuation. See, they didn't respond in a manner remotely consistent with believing the child had a gun. Similarly, not a single adult in that school acted in a manner remotely consistent with believing the child had a bomb.

I can't believe I have to ask a second person in this thread: do you think the kid was merely suspended?
 
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Deuce said:
They didn't evacuate. Therefore they either didn't think it was a bomb, or they are literal criminals. Pick one.

It doesn't matter what random ass people on the street think about the device. The school's actions matter, and those actions show with absolute certainty they didn't think it was a bomb. (or they were attempting to facilitate the murder of children, if that's your perception please say so)



Correct. And nobody shot the kid either, no SWAT team, no evacuation. See, they didn't respond in a manner remotely consistent with believing the child had a gun. Similarly, not a single adult in that school acted in a manner remotely consistent with believing the child had a bomb.

I can't believe I have to ask a second person in this thread: do you think the kid was merely suspended?
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The fact that they made poor or confused choices does not mean they did not fear it was a bomb. The links in #30 remain persuasive.
 
Deuce said:
They didn't evacuate. Therefore they either didn't think it was a bomb, or they are literal criminals. Pick one.

It doesn't matter what random ass people on the street think about the device. The school's actions matter, and those actions show with absolute certainty they didn't think it was a bomb. (or they were attempting to facilitate the murder of children, if that's your perception please say so)



Correct. And nobody shot the kid either, no SWAT team, no evacuation. See, they didn't respond in a manner remotely consistent with believing the child had a gun. Similarly, not a single adult in that school acted in a manner remotely consistent with believing the child had a bomb.

I can't believe I have to ask a second person in this thread: do you think the kid was merely suspended?
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Wait, he's alive? I thought he was dragged out and shot!
 
Jack Hays said:
The fact that they made poor or confused choices does not mean they did not fear it was a bomb. The links in #30 remain persuasive.
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You're suggesting someone feared an object was a bomb, and their choice was to pick it up and then keep a whole bunch of children near it.

"Poor choice" is the way you hand-wave this.

You think an adult human being made this choice regarding the safety of children. Or, for that matter, themselves.

The same people you would accuse of absurd "zero tolerance" responses to even non-existent firearms, you think left a bunch of children sitting in the same building as a possible bomb.

Honestly, I have nothing else. Some arguments are so goddamned stupid there just isn't a response to be made.
 
Deuce said:
You're suggesting someone feared an object was a bomb, and their choice was to pick it up and then keep a whole bunch of children near it.

"Poor choice" is the way you hand-wave this.

You think an adult human being made this choice regarding the safety of children. Or, for that matter, themselves.

The same people you would accuse of absurd "zero tolerance" responses to even non-existent firearms, you think left a bunch of children sitting in the same building as a possible bomb.

Honestly, I have nothing else. Some arguments are so goddamned stupid there just isn't a response to be made.
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They have "zero tolerance" policies because the judgment of their personnel is unreliable. This is a case in point. And yes, adult human beings made those choices.
 
Anthony60 said:
Oh, I wasn't aware I was supposed to be dodging something.
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You weren't supposed to, but you sure tried.

If you didn't want to dodge, you would have had a response to the point being made. But you don't.
 
Jack Hays said:
They have "zero tolerance" policies because the judgment of their personnel is unreliable. This is a case in point. And yes, adult human beings made those choices.
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Yes, that's what I said. You believe an adult human being deliberately chose to leave children in a building with a bomb.

The mental gymnastics you will go through to support your "team" is just amazing to observe.
 
Deuce said:
Yes, that's what I said. You believe an adult human being deliberately chose to leave children in a building with a bomb.

The mental gymnastics you will go through to support your "team" is just amazing to observe.
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I've seen that happen before. Life experience is valuable. You make too many assumptions.
 
Jack Hays said:
I've seen that happen before. Life experience is valuable. You make too many assumptions.
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You've personally seen an adult choose to put children in a building with a bomb.

Really.
 
Deuce said:
You weren't supposed to, but you sure tried.

If you didn't want to dodge, you would have had a response to the point being made. But you don't.
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But then there would have to be a real point to respond to, and there was none.
 
Anthony60 said:
But then there would have to be a real point to respond to, and there was none.
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The school officials didn't respond in manner remotely consistent with thinking a bomb could even possibly be present. Do you agree or disagree?
 
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