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Comey Will Testify In Open Session**[W:341]

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apdst said:
Mostly? :lamo
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Yeah. 100% of 100% of all lawyers and Constitutional scholars are not always in 100% agreement. Wild, huh?

The vast majority agree though, and quite clearly, to repeat:

"The Constitution does not define what “high crimes and misdemeanors” can lead to impeachment, but it has become clear from historical practice that this depends entirely on what the House believes would qualify."

Legendary journalist Lyle Denniston is Constitution Daily’s Supreme Court correspondent. He has covered the Supreme Court since 1958.
https://constitutioncenter.org

"Even though the Constitution speaks of "treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors" as grounds for impeachment, accusations against a chief executive need not even be criminal offenses because, according to legal scholars, impeachment of a president is a hybrid process mixing politics and policy with the law.

"Abuse of power can be any outrageous, abusive conduct or any behavior that is inconsistent with the high office of president, even noncriminal conduct," said Jonathan Turley, a law professor at George Washington University."
 
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Paperview said:
Yeah. 100% of 100% of all lawyers and Constitutional scholars are not always in 100% agreement. Wild, huh?

The vast majority agree though, and quite clearly, to repeat:

"The Constitution does not define what “high crimes and misdemeanors” can lead to impeachment, but it has become clear from historical practice that this depends entirely on what the House believes would qualify."

Legendary journalist Lyle Denniston is Constitution Daily’s Supreme Court correspondent. He has covered the Supreme Court since 1958.
https://constitutioncenter.org

"Even though the Constitution speaks of "treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors" as grounds for impeachment, accusations against a chief executive need not even be criminal offenses because, according to legal scholars, impeachment of a president is a hybrid process mixing politics and policy with the law.

"Abuse of power can be any outrageous, abusive conduct or any behavior that is inconsistent with the high office of president, even noncriminal conduct," said Jonathan Turley, a law professor at George Washington University."
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So your other post was a lie, or this post?
 
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Paperview said:
Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough already?
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His mind is too busy figuring out the difference between hoping and expecting.
 
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Paperview said:
Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough already?
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You said in one post "mostly" and the next post you say "100%". Which is it?
 
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apdst said:
You said in one post "mostly" and the next post you say "100%". Which is it?
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Wow. You sincerely are a troubled case when it come to reading comprehension.


I said : "Yeah. 100% of 100% of all lawyers and Constitutional scholars are not always in 100% agreement. Wild, huh?

The vast majority agree though."
 
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Paperview said:
Wow. You sincerely are a troubled case when it come to reading comprehension.


I said : "Yeah. 100% of 100% of all lawyers and Constitutional scholars are not always in 100% agreement. Wild, huh?

The vast majority agree though."
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You need to keep track of what you post.

Paperview said:
Giving two examples for what removal from office entails in the second step of the impeachment process does not define what encompass the totality of what the charges for impeachment are or how high crime and a misdemeanors are defined therein. It is vague and not defined.

For the gazillionth time - scholars for generations have mostly concluded it is what the majority in the HoR decides it is.

Deal with it.
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apdst said:
You said in one post "mostly" and the next post you say "100%". Which is it?
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Interesting you go after one person for their choice in words, yet you don't hold yourself up to the same standard.
 
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year2late said:
Interesting you go after one person for their choice in words, yet you don't hold yourself up to the same standard.
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Funny how Liberals can't wait to make things personal. :lamo
 
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Like I said appy: Haven't you embarrassed yourself enough already?

It's just sad now.
 
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apdst said:
Funny how Liberals can't wait to make things personal. :lamo
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How is it personal when I am just expecting you to hold yourself up to the same standard that you are clearly not applying to yourself?
 
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year2late said:
How is it personal when I am just expecting you to hold yourself up to the same standard that you are clearly not applying to yourself?
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You posted a personal attack. Don't like getting called on it? Don't do it.
 
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apdst said:
You posted a personal attack. Don't like getting called on it? Don't do it.
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What was the personal attack. I called you on hypocritically going after someone while not holding yourself up to the same standard.

If that is considered a personal attack, I am not sure why.
 
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JamesBY said:
Of course one would think it would be difficult.

Trump has demonstrated he can make difficult things happen all the time.
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I am kind of glad for that at times. Another historic day.
 
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Paperview said:
The only two times a president has been impeached were both highly political.

Neither times were they removed from office after a Senate trial.

Both times it was a Democratic president impeached by a Republican senate.
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Don't forget Nixon. He resigned to avoid it.
 
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apdst said:
You're misinterpreting The Comstitution and a couple of op-eds aren't proof.
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...and your law degree is from where?

May I point out that I have produced third party evidence to back up my statements. You are only offering your pedestrian impressions (unless, of course, I am mistaken and you actually have a law degree). Just because you believe it to be so, does not make it so. Just because you think you understand the language in the Constitution, does not mean you actually do. People go to law school and specialize in Constitutional law because the Constitution and how the Constitution is to be interpreted is far more complex than it appears.

Again, impeachment is a political process, not a legal one. The House gets to decide what constitutes a "high crime and misdemeanor" Here are a few more cites (not op-ed's, but expert opinions) on the matter. You will note that each of these cites backs up my contention.

High Crimes and Misdemeanors - Constitutional Rights Foundation
Meaning of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"
https://www.senate.gov/CRSpubs/1bac2836-073b-454f-993f-79a1de47b49a.pdf

BTW. Jonathan Turley (the Wall Street Journal cite) is a Constitutional scholar. So that was not an op-ed, it was expert opinion.
 
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akyron said:
One party has all the cards that makes impeachment pretty difficult.

If bitching were political will then it would be a clean sweep and every president would stand impeached. Including Obama.
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True, except it will be the Republicans that will impeach him. When his numbers fall to about 30%, he will be too toxic to A) get anything done and B) threaten the Republican majorities, then enough Republicans (with the Democrats) will lead the charge to have him impeached out of self-preservation.
 
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upsideguy said:
...and your law degree is from where?

May I point out that I have produced third party evidence to back up my statements. You are only offering your pedestrian impressions (unless, of course, I am mistaken and you actually have a law degree). Just because you believe it to be so, does not make it so. Just because you think you understand the language in the Constitution, does not mean you actually do. People go to law school and specialize in Constitutional law because the Constitution and how the Constitution is to be interpreted is far more complex than it appears.

Again, impeachment is a political process, not a legal one. The House gets to decide what constitutes a "high crime and misdemeanor" Here are a few more cites (not op-ed's, but expert opinions) on the matter. You will note that each of these cites backs up my contention.

High Crimes and Misdemeanors - Constitutional Rights Foundation
Meaning of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors"
https://www.senate.gov/CRSpubs/1bac2836-073b-454f-993f-79a1de47b49a.pdf

BTW. Jonathan Turley (the Wall Street Journal cite) is a Constitutional scholar. So that was not an op-ed, it was expert opinion.
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Do you have a law degree?
 
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upsideguy said:
True, except it will be the Republicans that will impeach him. When his numbers fall to about 30%, he will be too toxic to A) get anything done and B) threaten the Republican majorities, then enough Republicans (with the Democrats) will lead the charge to have him impeached out of self-preservation.
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Self preservation is the name of the game. But my gut says that if they do not unhitch from Trump REALLY soon, their fates may already be sealed.
 
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apdst said:
Do you have a law degree?
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No (though I have generally been responsible for legal in my companies, but that is a different type law). Again, I have produced evidence to support my understanding. You have yet to do so. I debate, once a side produces credible evidence to support the proposition, the otherside must 1) produce third party evidence to support theirs or 2) find compelling evidence that discredits the evidence of the opposition or 3) concede.

Given that I have offered overwhelming evidence to support by contention and you have countered with "zip", I'll take your concession on this and call it day.
 
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year2late said:
Self preservation is the name of the game. But my gut says that if they do not unhitch from Trump REALLY soon, their fates may already be sealed.
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Could be.... but the memory of the electorate is pretty short. I think they get away with it as long as they dump Trump early next year.
 
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upsideguy said:
True, except it will be the Republicans that will impeach him. When his numbers fall to about 30%, he will be too toxic to A) get anything done and B) threaten the Republican majorities, then enough Republicans (with the Democrats) will lead the charge to have him impeached out of self-preservation.
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The media have led the charge so far. Republicans will follow along with liberals and democrats like they have caved to bs year after year.

I agree they will do it for self preservation. The swamp fight back!

The swamp stands together. Its a shame good people cannot.
 
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