Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation[W:978]

Moderate Right · May 19, 2017

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Gimmesometruth said:
Contemporaneous notes by FBI agents are recognized as evidence ALL THE TIME by courts. But then... I'm dealing with a guy in Kentucky whose frame of reference is teevee shows.

Exactly what I said! Yes, it is evidence but not enough evidence to convict anyone of anything unless there was other real evidence to back it up, and not more memos from someone who Comey told of something after the fact. If Trump were to come up with a memo of his conversations with Comey they would carry the same weight. He said, she said. They would both be "evidence". Courts shouldn't give any more weight to one over the other since courts are not supposed to be partisan, such as yourself.

Gimmesometruth · May 19, 2017

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Moderate Right said:
Exactly what I said! Yes, it is evidence but not enough evidence to convict

I didn't say it was, so yer posting a non-sequitur.

Gina · May 19, 2017

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Moderator's Warning:

Okey doke folks. The baiting is getting a bit much. Let's dial it back and address the topic, not each other.

Mustachio · May 19, 2017

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iguanaman said:
Is'nt that the truth. This is really about Putin possibly succeeding in planting a mole at the top of our intelligence network. If we do not get to the bottom of how and why this occurred Putin will keep on doing it to us and other democracies. That is what is at stake here and I hear crickets from the GOP Congress. Are the all traitors?

I think Putin has been pushing it since day 1, almost shoving it in our faces that he tricked Americans into electing a sociopathic moron who is so bad with the truth that he can't even lie consistently. Whether Russia has infiltrated the White House (I've not heard any credible evidence of that but it is a logical conclusion) or is laughing at it, this is really really bad for the country. This is not draining the swamp, this is the swamp. I've always said that both bureaucracy and the lack of its oversight is equally problematic, and this is a lovely illustration of the latter.

nota bene · May 19, 2017

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justabubba said:
certainly i noticed

if you were attempting to make a point, i missed it

I'm sorry about that. What I can explain for you that might have been confusing?

Mustachio · May 19, 2017

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Mac77 said:
When there is fake news coming from the dishonest liberal media I expect trump minions to yap about it loud and often

They are there to protect the American people and exposing liars in the lib news media is part of their job

Please give me one example of fake news. Are you reading the news? Today's leak was already confirmed by Sean Spicer. Without examples, I have no idea what you're talking about other than repeating a stupid meme.

ludin said:
Comey proved himself incompetent when he chose politics over the law.
it made perfects sense as he has screwed up multiple investigations and was unreliable.

it was the DOJ that made a recommendation to fire him in the first place.

No trump didn't obstruct justice. there is no evidence that he did.

I apologize for the caps lock in advance but YOU AREN'T FOLLOWING THE NEWS. The DOJ did NOT make a recommendation to fire Comey "in the first place," Trump himself said before today's news and again in today's news that Comey was fired because he was a "nut job" whose firing would take pressure of him for the Russia investigation taking place. You're going to defend that? And on the subject of "making up things (I) said," I said I don't know if Trump obstructed justice but it sure looks like he tried.

iguanaman · May 19, 2017

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ludin said:
why are you making stuff up I never said?

Comey proved himself incompetent when he chose politics over the law.
it made perfects sense as he has screwed up multiple investigations and was unreliable.

it was the DOJ that made a recommendation to fire him in the first place.

No trump didn't obstruct justice. there is no evidence that he did.

That was the initial story alright but it was a lie. Trump himself later said he initiated that memo from the DOJ not the other way around. Not to mention that asking Comey to drop the investigation is where the obstruction charge comes from.

apdst · May 19, 2017

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iguanaman said:
Is'nt that the truth. This is really about Putin possibly succeeding in planting a mole at the top of our intelligence network. If we do not get to the bottom of how and why this occurred Putin will keep on doing it to us and other democracies. That is what is at stake here and I hear crickets from the GOP Congress. Are the all traitors?

The very top is the last place you would want to implant a mole. When you infiltrate an intelligence apparatus you want someone who doesn't draw attention and someone who isn't, by law, a temporary employee.

apdst · May 19, 2017

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iguanaman said:
That was the initial story alright but it was a lie. Trump himself later said he initiated that memo from the DOJ not the other way around. Not to mention that asking Comey to drop the investigation is where the obstruction charge comes from.

Does the memo also include Comey's response: "Mr. President, that sounds inappropriate and I'm not even entertaining the idea"?

ludin · May 19, 2017

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iguanaman said:
That was the initial story alright but it was a lie. Trump himself later said he initiated that memo from the DOJ not the other way around. Not to mention that asking Comey to drop the investigation is where the obstruction charge comes from.

Actually,

Rosenstein on Comey memo: 'I wrote it. I believe it. I stand by it.' | Fox News

Justice Department officials however who were in the room told Fox News that Rosenstein was not directly affirmative on that point, but rather, conveyed to the Senators in the briefing that he got the sense that President Trump was strongly leaning towards firing Comey before Rosenstein wrote his memo.

Officials stressed to Fox News that Rosenstein was not told outright that Trump was going to terminate Comey, and therefore wrote a memo to lay out the reasoning.

Trump was looking to fire him on January 20th, but needed a better reason.

Actually there are no obstruction charges. so you are wrong on that.
there is allegations without evidence and there is an investigation but then
we have McCabe who has stated there has been no obstruction of anything.

you seem to be all over the place and misrepresenting what has gone on, what is going on,
and what is being said.

ludin · May 19, 2017

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Mustachio said:
I apologize for the caps lock in advance but YOU AREN'T FOLLOWING THE NEWS. The DOJ did NOT make a recommendation to fire Comey "in the first place," Trump himself said before today's news and again in today's news that Comey was fired because he was a "nut job" whose firing would take pressure of him for the Russia investigation taking place. You're going to defend that? And on the subject of "making up things (I) said," I said I don't know if Trump obstructed justice but it sure looks like he tried.

I am following the news. Actually they did make the recommendation.
Rosenstein penned it a day after meeting with trump over a discussion.

Actually he said that in a private meeting. He was fired for the reasons given. Comey proved himself inept period.

actually that isn't what he said and now you are not quoting him properly.

By grandstanding and politicizing the investigation into Russia's actions, James Comey created unnecessary pressure on our ability to engage and negotiate with Russia," Spicer said.
"The investigation would have always continued, and obviously, the termination of Comey would not have ended it. Once again, the real story is that our national security has been undermined by the leaking of private and highly classified conversations."

the pressure had nothing to do with the Russian investigation. you are making inferences to which there is no evidence.

McCabe says that no one tried.

Mac77 · May 19, 2017

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Paperview said:
Yow. You are really, really, really lost.

Delete your account.

You breathlessly post a comey memo from 2012 as proof that he writes memo's and then call me lost?

Go find a mirror and if yiou can see yourself in it you will find what truly clueless looks like

vash1012 · May 19, 2017

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reinoe said:
I can safely say that plenty of B.S. is "classified" and plenty of "anonymous sources" have been revealed to be not credible at all.

Which anonymous source leak in the last 2 months has not later been confirmed by the White House in some way or another?

Also, Spicer already addressed this and did not deny it in any way.

PIPEWRENCH · May 19, 2017

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Slyfox696 said:
Apparently, this is a memo written by Comey, being brought to news sources by someone other than Comey. Allegedly, the memo was written almost immediately after the meeting with President Trump.

If this is true, then the President could be in real trouble. You ask the director of the FBI to close an investigation into an advisor for your campaign about actions during the campaign and then after the director refused to close the investigation, you fire him.

If this is true, then the President could be in very hot water.

So we don't need any actual proof that someone did anything wrong. Is asking to stop a witch hunt illegal now. I would like to se some actual evidence that Trump or his staff actually did something wrong. I guess we are back to convicting people without any evidence. SAD.

Mustachio · May 19, 2017

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ludin said:
the pressure had nothing to do with the Russian investigation. you are making inferences to which there is no evidence.

McCabe says that no one tried.

So Sean Spicer is a liar? Because he said that the "Russia investigation" was the reason Comey was fired. Trump has also said it in between the times he didn't say it. You're doing a pretty elaborate dance to evade the facts on this one.

vash1012 · May 19, 2017

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PIPEWRENCH said:
So we don't need any actual proof that someone did anything wrong. Is asking to stop a witch hunt illegal now. I would like to se some actual evidence that Trump or his staff actually did something wrong. I guess we are back to convicting people without any evidence. SAD.

.... Yes.. trying to stop an investigation is illegal. No one is convicting anyone of anything. They are investigating. Why is this so hard to understand for the Trump supporters? You have to investigate first to look for evidence...The multiple contacts with Russia, some recorded through incidental surveilance, Michael Flynn, Jeff Session's having to recuse himself, Trump's refusal to release his tax returns, the strange rhetoric during the campaign by Trump by flat out refusing to say a bad word about Putin or Russia for months on end are just what is public. The rest of it is still classified.

iguanaman · May 19, 2017

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PIPEWRENCH said:
So we don't need any actual proof that someone did anything wrong. Is asking to stop a witch hunt illegal now. I would like to se some actual evidence that Trump or his staff actually did something wrong. I guess we are back to convicting people without any evidence. SAD.

LOL You even sound like one of Trumps tweets now. Investigations are what find the proof of wrong doing silly, and I'm afraid that is what you are really worried about....and so is Trump. That is what he meant by "taking the pressure off". In reality they are getting closer by the day to what you fear and that was mostly just Trump bragging about his "powers" to the ears of Putin's flunkies.

PIPEWRENCH · May 19, 2017

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vash1012 said:
.... Yes.. trying to stop an investigation is illegal. No one is convicting anyone of anything. They are investigating. Why is this so hard to understand for the Trump supporters? You have to investigate first to look for evidence...The multiple contacts with Russia, some recorded through incidental surveilance, Michael Flynn, Jeff Session's having to recuse himself, Trump's refusal to release his tax returns, the strange rhetoric during the campaign by Trump by flat out refusing to say a bad word about Putin or Russia for months on end are just what is public. The rest of it is still classified.

Since when can't we subpoena a tax return as evidence. The IRS has copy of his tax return already. Of course you need evidence of wrong doing to get a warrant. Of course if their is not enough evidence then there will be no subpoena or warrant. Try again.

Refusing to slander a leader of another country is not a crime. It is sign of a good leader. Try again.

He did not stop the investigation. He asked to stop a witch hunt that has yet to provide any evidence but is disrupting the governing process that is his job. That is not a crime.

Even the firing of Comey does not stop an investigation. It does get rid of a grandstanding idiot that has not only rigged an election but is was disrupting the running of our country by the president. He is part of the executive branch and can be replaced any time the president sees need. Firing of Comey is legal and necessary.

After close to a year of witch hunting there is still no evidence of wrong doing. Only speculation and assumptions which nobody should be convicted with.

Time to end the media circus act and witch hunt until there is some evidence or a crime. Let the president and congress run this country until there is actually some evidence of criminal acts. In the mean time the FBI needs to shut their mouth until they actually have something or more people need to be given the AXE.

minnie616 · May 19, 2017

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Mac77 said:
You breathlessly post a comey memo from 2012 as proof that he writes memo's and then call me lost?

Go find a mirror and if yiou can see yourself in it you will find what truly clueless looks like

That memo was not written by Comey.

I posted it earlier in this thread to show how FBI memos are dated and numbered before they are filed.

That memo was written two days after the 2012 presidential election and one day before Petraeus resigned.

Deputy FBI Director Sean Joyce wrote the memo to record what he told the CIA chief and the retired Army general and the general's response.

vash1012 · May 19, 2017

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PIPEWRENCH said:
Since when can't we subpoena a tax return as evidence. The IRS has copy of his tax return already. Of course you need evidence of wrong doing to get a warrant. Of course if their is not enough evidence then there will be no subpoena or warrant. Try again.

Refusing to slander a leader of another country is not a crime. It is sign of a good leader. Try again.

He did not stop the investigation. He asked to stop a witch hunt that has yet to provide any evidence but is disrupting the governing process that is his job. That is not a crime.

Even the firing of Comey does not stop an investigation. It does get rid of a grandstanding idiot that has not only rigged an election but is was disrupting the running of our country by the president. He is part of the executive branch and can be replaced any time the president sees need. Firing of Comey is legal and necessary.

After close to a year of witch hunting there is still no evidence of wrong doing. Only speculation and assumptions which nobody should be convicted with.

Time to end the media circus act and witch hunt until there is some evidence or a crime. Let the president and congress run this country until there is actually some evidence of criminal acts. In the mean time the FBI needs to shut their mouth until they actually have something or more people need to be given the AXE.

He refused to release his tax returns to the public. Duh. Seriously? Your own dude said multiple times that he was considering the Russia investigation when he fired Comey. Its not coming out of thin air. The only person that is continuously causing problems right now in regards to the investigation is TRUMP. HE told classified info to the Russians. HE fired Comey during an investigation and gave conflicting reasons for that. HE hired Michael Flynn despite the fact that he was under investigation and against the recommendation of both Obama and Sally Yates. HE tweets about the investigation and gets himself in trouble with ethics watchdog groups and the media. HE is doing that. Other than the senate investigation that is occasionally on CSPAN, he can go about his day. HE CHOOSES NOT TO.

Anthony60 · May 19, 2017

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Absentglare said:
You were crying about "sabotaging" the president- let's be honest, you should be every bit as interest as i am in having this matter thoroughly investigated.

But you're not. Because you assume the president is innocent, is always right.

Still getting it wrong, due to that leftist slant that controls your thinking. Day one, democrats are talking about impeaching Trump. DAY ONE. Four months in, some bullcrap Special Counsel appointed to a six month old investigation that has turned up absolutely nothing.

Of course, zero appointed for Obama's scandals. None. Were's the special counsel for the illegal leaks that continue against this country?

PIPEWRENCH · May 20, 2017

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vash1012 said:
He refused to release his tax returns to the public. Duh. Seriously? Your own dude said multiple times that he was considering the Russia investigation when he fired Comey. Its not coming out of thin air. The only person that is continuously causing problems right now in regards to the investigation is TRUMP. HE told classified info to the Russians. HE fired Comey during an investigation and gave conflicting reasons for that. HE hired Michael Flynn despite the fact that he was under investigation and against the recommendation of both Obama and Sally Yates. HE tweets about the investigation and gets himself in trouble with ethics watchdog groups and the media. HE is doing that. Other than the senate investigation that is occasionally on CSPAN, he can go about his day. HE CHOOSES NOT TO.

He does not have to release his tax returns to the public. Get over it. It is perfectly legal. He is tired of the witch hunt. Comey did the same thing to Hillary. Obama should have fired him except I don't think he likes Hillary either. All those investigations and no charges. Nothing but witch hunts rigging an election and disrupting our government. Trump did what Obama should have done. I said I would have fired him as first order of business. The guy is nothing but a grandstanding distraction from our government getting things done we elected them to do. The people that need to be investigated charged and removed from office are the people not willing to work together to get things done for we the people. I could name hundreds from both parties that need to be sent packing without retirement.

Absentglare · May 20, 2017

Anthony60 said:
Still getting it wrong, due to that leftist slant that controls your thinking. Day one, democrats are talking about impeaching Trump. DAY ONE. Four months in, some bullcrap Special Counsel appointed to a six month old investigation that has turned up absolutely nothing.

Of course, zero appointed for Obama's scandals. None. Were's the special counsel for the illegal leaks that continue against this country?

Saying "day one" isn't a valid argument, and we're talking about President Trump, not democrats, and not President Obama.

You say the investigation turned up absolutely nothing. That's not true.

Several years in, 9 congressional investigations: nothing found on Hillary. We haven't had a single congressional investigation come to a close on President Trump's associates. Besides that, Flynn resigned, so "absolutely nothing" is just brazenly wrong.

minnie616 · May 20, 2017

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Anthony60 said:
Still getting it wrong, due to that leftist slant that controls your thinking. Day one, democrats are talking about impeaching Trump. DAY ONE. Four months in, some bullcrap Special Counsel appointed to a six month old investigation that has turned up absolutely nothing.

Of course, zero appointed for Obama's scandals. None. Were's the special counsel for the illegal leaks that continue against this country?

We don't if/what the investigation has/has not turned up.

Slyfox696 · May 20, 2017

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Mac77 said:
We are just repeating ourselves now

If you would stop saying things which are provably false, we wouldn't have to keep repeating ourselves. But every time you choose to knowingly post something which is false, I have no problem pointing out how you're wrong.

Needless to say this latest lib lie has been exposed

The only lie being told is from those who don't seem to understand the difference between the President and the Attorney General...you know, ignorant people.

PIPEWRENCH said:
So we don't need any actual proof that someone did anything wrong. Is asking to stop a witch hunt illegal now. I would like to se some actual evidence that Trump or his staff actually did something wrong. I guess we are back to convicting people without any evidence. SAD.

Perhaps you don't comprehend what you read too well. Would you like a second chance to re-read what I said before I blast your post for the nonsense it is?

Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation[W:978]

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