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Supreme Court Deals Blow to North Carolina Over Voting Rights

Erod said:
Dumb.
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If you were truly concerned about fraudulent voting, you'd support eliminating the military absentee ballot. It is possible that in 2016 seventeen million non-US citizens voted illegally in the election using the military absentee ballot. This may have effectively canceled out the votes of our brave and honorable servicemen. Instead of the absentee ballot, all servicemen should have one day to vote at a polling station in person while in rotation back to the United States. The would eliminate the possibility of foreigners throwing the election toward their preferred candidate.
 
Cardinal said:
If you were truly concerned about fraudulent voting, you'd support eliminating the military absentee ballot. It is possible that in 2016 seventeen million non-US citizens voted illegally in the election using the military absentee ballot. This may have effectively canceled out the votes of our brave and honorable servicemen. Instead of the absentee ballot, all servicemen should have one day to vote at a polling station in person while in rotation back to the United States. The would eliminate the possibility of foreigners throwing the election toward their preferred candidate.
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AFAIK, Nothing about this bill has to do with Absentee voting in NC...Aside from Voter ID, it named three other things that were deemed problematic...

1. same-day registration - This is a boon for fraud...I agree it should go.

2. out-of-precinct voting - This should never be allowed, and IMHO, if we were to actually do a real study on precincts that allow this, I think we'd see far more cases of fraud that we do today.

3. preregistration of high school students. - Again, the only reason to "pre register" H.S. students, is that at that age they are subject to peer pressure, and susceptible to Teacher influence, which we see that most staff even at the H.S. level are nearly ALL liberal....

So, why you are introducing the straw argument of Absentee voting is beyond me.
 
JamesBY said:
I supported Kasich then voted McMullin. I have no duty to pass your exam, Deuce.

But I will condemn Chaffetz, cheer for Graham, and just laugh at poor Ryan, the schmuck.
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Regarding voter suppression. You keep trying to deflect to Democrats regarding voter suppression and straight up give a pass to Republicans doing it.
 
j-mac said:
AFAIK, Nothing about this bill has to do with Absentee voting in NC...Aside from Voter ID, it named three other things that were deemed problematic...

1. same-day registration - This is a boon for fraud...I agree it should go.

2. out-of-precinct voting - This should never be allowed, and IMHO, if we were to actually do a real study on precincts that allow this, I think we'd see far more cases of fraud that we do today.

3. preregistration of high school students. - Again, the only reason to "pre register" H.S. students, is that at that age they are subject to peer pressure, and susceptible to Teacher influence, which we see that most staff even at the H.S. level are nearly ALL liberal....

So, why you are introducing the straw argument of Absentee voting is beyond me.
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Absentee voting allowed seventeen million illegal votes from abroad to enter the United States. I think that's significant.

Here's another idea:

I believe that all polling stations would be relocated to major urban centers so they would have full technical and emergency support. Rural areas frequently lack internet, phone, and police and medical access in the event of an emergency. This would, again, provide the opportunity catch illegal aliens who attempt to vote and throw the election toward their preferred candidate.
 
Deuce said:
Regarding voter suppression. You keep trying to deflect to Democrats regarding voter suppression and straight up give a pass to Republicans doing it.
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What a foolish statement! Is that how you typically write: miscalibrated? I support the court's finding regarding NC. I also know that Dems cheat also. You know that, too, yet you keep telling porkies. :)
 
Cardinal said:
Absentee voting allowed seventeen million illegal votes from abroad to enter the United States. I think that's significant.
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Not relevant to this thread....You are more than welcome to start a thread on that...

I believe that all polling stations would be relocated to major urban centers so they would have full technical and emergency support. Rural areas frequently lack internet, phone, and police and medical access in the event of an emergency. This would, again, provide the opportunity catch illegal aliens who attempt to vote and throw the election toward their preferred candidate.
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I see...You're trying to supress the rural vote...We all know why that is, because that is how Trump won....
 
JamesBY said:
What a foolish statement! Is that how you typically write: miscalibrated? I support the court's finding regarding NC. I also know that Dems cheat also. You know that, too, yet you keep telling porkies. :)
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See what I mean? You're incapable of contributing something other than "BUT BUT BUT DEMOCRATS!"
 
Cardinal said:
Absentee voting allowed seventeen million illegal votes from abroad to enter the United States. I think that's significant.

Here's another idea:

I believe that all polling stations would be relocated to major urban centers so they would have full technical and emergency support. Rural areas frequently lack internet, phone, and police and medical access in the event of an emergency. This would, again, provide the opportunity catch illegal aliens who attempt to vote and throw the election toward their preferred candidate.
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Your statement is outright silly on the face of it. How did 'absentee voting' permit 'seventeen million illegal votes from abroad" to affect the election? That makes no sense.

I am dealing with Deuce's silliness on the left then you, Cardinal, deliver an even sillier comment from the right.
 
Deuce said:
How hard is "don't deliberately write laws to reduce black voter turnout?"
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so blacks "cant" get ID's?

what makes a black person so special that that are unable to accomplish this task?

apparently they must have some affliction that only affects them.....

and yet i have never heard of it....

so in a two year time period, we couldnt get every person that votes to a place where they could get a photo ID free of charge? four years?

i bet they could get there if we were giving away free stuff....
 
<alt>doxygen said:
Why are you advocating spending a lot of money to solve a problem that Republicans have never proved existed? Big Government type?

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/05...-in-his-failed-quest-for-mass-election-fraud/
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what lot of money....for the what 3 million or so people who dont have ID's( and i think i am being very generous with that number, but correct me if i am wrong)......at say $ 20 a pop.....60 million bucks to ensure that every person is who they say they are

i think money well spent.....
 
j-mac said:
AFAIK, Nothing about this bill has to do with Absentee voting in NC...Aside from Voter ID, it named three other things that were deemed problematic...

1. same-day registration - This is a boon for fraud...I agree it should go.
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NC didn't have same-day registration, and if you have evidence it's a "boon for fraud" please present it. That's rhetorical - you can't produce that evidence.

Edit - they did have it, my apologies, but there is NO evidence it's a boon for fraud, there or anywhere else.

2. out-of-precinct voting - This should never be allowed, and IMHO, if we were to actually do a real study on precincts that allow this, I think we'd see far more cases of fraud that we do today.
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If you're voting for POTUS or Gov. or Senator - statewide elections - what is the harm of allowing votes for those, but not local candidates? There is no harm in allowing those votes.

3. preregistration of high school students. - Again, the only reason to "pre register" H.S. students, is that at that age they are subject to peer pressure, and susceptible to Teacher influence, which we see that most staff even at the H.S. level are nearly ALL liberal....
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You might as well say you don't want young people to vote because in your opinion....subjective BS, LIBERAL BIAS!! That's not a valid reason to prevent someone registering to vote before they're 18 as long as WHEN they vote they are eligible.

So, why you are introducing the straw argument of Absentee voting is beyond me.
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If you are worried about "voter fraud" just about all of it is through absentee ballots. The voting commission in NC in fact requested that the legislature deal with some known problems with absentee ballots.

But the NC legislature discovered, thanks to voting patterns by race data, that whites and likely republicans are more likely to use absentee ballots, so of course in a bill purportedly targeted at "voter fraud" they didn't tighten up procedures where nearly all known voter fraud takes place, which is absentee ballots, because doing so presumably would drive down GOP voters, and the purpose was to drive down likely Democratic voters!
 
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JamesBY said:
Both sides cheat if given the chance.

Clinton's people in Utah stole the nomination from Sanders: straight out chicanery. They were no different than Chaffetz and Lee etc.

Yes, this law should be suppressed, but Dems' high horse can be hobby horses, too, at times.
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What are you talking about? Sanders destroyed Clinton in Utah and walked away with a reasonable number of delegates did he not?

Final tally: Bernie Sanders wins 29 delegates in Utah Democratic caucus | Deseret News

SALT LAKE CITY — Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders picked up 29 delegates after running away with the Utah Democratic presidential preference caucus last week.


The Utah Democratic Party on Wednesday officially declared Sanders the winner over former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who gets eight delegates. The final vote tally showed Sanders with 77.1 percent to 19.8 percent for Clinton. A record 81,606 people voted in the March 22 caucus, according to the party.
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EDIT: You're probably talking about what happened in Nevada right?
 
gdgyva said:
so blacks "cant" get ID's?

what makes a black person so special that that are unable to accomplish this task?

apparently they must have some affliction that only affects them.....

and yet i have never heard of it....

so in a two year time period, we couldnt get every person that votes to a place where they could get a photo ID free of charge? four years?

i bet they could get there if we were giving away free stuff....
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Wow, there are still people who don't understand what happened here.
 
j-mac said:
Not relevant to this thread....You are more than welcome to start a thread on that...



I see...You're trying to supress the rural vote...We all know why that is, because that is how Trump won....
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No, I was quite clear that moving voting locations to urban centers would provide them with the much needed support and infrastructure rural polling locations lack. So in case you weren't able to follow, I'm making it easier for voters living in rural communities. And of course it would prevent the twenty million illegal voters that were able to commit voter fraud in the rural locations last November.

Another proposal:

All people with firearms should supply certifications for newly performed Federal and State background checks. The certificates would need to be less than a week old in order to mitigate the chances that illegal aliens forged them so they could vote in the election. The newly performed checks would also have the bonus of catching felons with warrants for their arrest as well as finding and deporting illegal aliens before they even reached the polling stations.

Agreed?
 
JamesBY said:
Clinton should not have had eight votes.

The point is this: the Dems out there will not permit Clinton to run again or anyone she nominates. That is done.
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This isn't an insult, really, I've seen people like this, but you may want to check your blood sugar and or eat something because you're not entirely making sense.
 
JamesBY said:
Your statement is outright silly on the face of it. How did 'absentee voting' permit 'seventeen million illegal votes from abroad" to affect the election? That makes no sense.

I am dealing with Deuce's silliness on the left then you, Cardinal, deliver an even sillier comment from the right.
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That's the problem, we can't know the exact number because we can't verify, but seventeen million non-citizens abroad probably voted. Eliminating absentee voting would prevent that.
 
Absentglare said:
Why do you want to add to the bureaucracy and regulations by restricting the free exercise of the right to vote?

Don't conservatives always cry and whine about how liberals always pass all the regulations?
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i dont want to restrict voting other than to make sure the people supposed to be voting are the ones actually doing it

and i am so sick of people coming back with the "no fraud cases" bullcrap

pretty simple concept.....show an ID....pull a lever

other than the military who of course use absentee ballots (tough to pull a lever from overseas)

it really isnt that hard.....

there will always be a few people that cant show up....and there has to be a way for them to vote also that can be verified....
 
Cardinal said:
That's the problem, we can't know the exact number because we can't verify, but seventeen million non-citizens abroad probably voted. Eliminating absentee voting would prevent that.
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You are now officially in conspiracy world. Deuce is merely playing political games for his home team.
 
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