North Korea Says It Launched Missile That Can Carry Nuclear Warhead

DA60 said:

What deterrent? They would NEVER use nukes. Hell, Hitler had all the deadly gas you could ever need and he did not unleash it (except on the poor Jews) even when he knew he was going to die...and he was about as nuts as leaders get.
But owning nukes does not mean the North can invade the South, because they KNOW they will lose that war. The South is FAR more powerful conventionally than the North.



Why would Syria want nukes? They can't use them. Jeez - look how the world freaked out over a few sarin gas shells (that I personally do not even think Assad launched)? The entire world would go completely ape **** if Assad used nukes.

Click to expand...

Uh, genius - the entire world would be entirely deterred from doing a thing against a rogue state with a nuclear deterrent. Kim won't sell somebody just one or two.

Liberal logic!:doh

And I am not afraid of Iran in the slightest. I trust them a hell of a lot more than I do Saudi Arabia. And forget them using nukes either - they know Israel/America would obliterate them if they did.
And forget the nonsense about 'they would kill themselves to destroy Israel'. The exact same thing was said about the Soviet Union towards America/West. And nothing ever happened. Leaders love power...not suicide.

Click to expand...

With a nuclear deterrent they'd be able to pursue a more aggressive terror strategy - look at what Pakistan does to India.

Finally, no country would EVER be dumb enough to sell nukes to terrorists. Terrorists ARE usually insane (to some extent). And their loyalties change with the wind. If you sell a nuke to a terrorist - you have no way of knowing that those same terrorists might not one day use it against you.

Click to expand...

A nuclear rogue would be able to arm terrorists more effectively without fear of reprisal.

sanman said:

Uh, genius - the entire world would be entirely deterred from doing a thing against a rogue state with a nuclear deterrent. Kim won't sell somebody just one or two.

Click to expand...

Good non-genius. It is none of the world's business to invade NK just because they do not like the way they are run. IF them having nukes stops that - good.

Liberal logic!:doh

Click to expand...

Well, I am not a liberal...so I have no idea what you are blathering about.

Typical Trumpbot...cannot see that people who disagree with the Buffoon-In-Chief are not all liberals.

DUH.

With a nuclear deterrent they'd be able to pursue a more aggressive terror strategy - look at what Pakistan does to India.

Click to expand...

True. Look at the huge deterrent America has and the INCREDIBLE number of civilians she has killed just since 9/11.

America has caused far more terror and killed far more innocent people than Iran could ever dream of killing.

I am not afraid of Iran in the slightest.

A nuclear rogue would be able to arm terrorists more effectively without fear of reprisal.

Click to expand...

Yup...like all the terrorists America arms. Like how America supports Saudi Arabia - which treats it's people hideously and beheads more people than ISIL does...for tiny little crimes.
But that is fine with you...isn't it Trumpbot? Because they are an ally. And you are prepared to look the other way when people are beheaded for adultry, just so long as they are an 'ally'.
And Israel can treat the Palestinians like virtual sub-humans. Again, you don't mind.
And double tap drone strikes are fine with you...just so long as it might hurt 'the enemy'.
And Gitmo is great to you. And Iraqi Freedom was grand. And on and on down the list of neocon American empire building.
You are nothing but a good little, trained minion.

Your pathetic attitude and callous disregard for human life whenever it suits you disgusts me.
I view all life as sacred. To you - only when they further your disgraceful and unAmerican, neocon causes.
And I view American lives as not the slightest bit more - or less - valuable to a non-American...unlike you.


Anyway, I have already wasted too much time on you, Trumpbot.

This missile launch by NK is no threat to America whatsoever.

If you believe otherwise...I don't much care.


We are done here. I will not read your reply as I have no respect for your opinions on this subject whatsoever.

Have a nice day.

sanman said:

This is the problem with rogue states, genius - they're more unstable, more volatile, and more aggressive - less stable and more prone to dangerous behavior.

Look at the latest news:

Researchers see possible North Korea link to global cyber attack | Reuters

Click to expand...

Russia is now the King of "rogue states". The whole place is run by criminals. But you don't worry about them do you. Kim is an idiot and China needs to deal with him. We must not lose our focus on Putin and his war on the west.

War is long overdue. Either go to war or set up an internal coup to kill off the Kim dynasty and put a "better" ruler in place.

digsbe said:

War is long overdue. Either go to war or set up an internal coup to kill off the Kim dynasty and put a "better" ruler in place.

Click to expand...

War is not possible unless China is willing to have a Western influenced potential democracy on its doorstep. Maybe things have changed in several decades, but they spent quite a lot of blood and treasure to convince us not to go all the way, last time around.

If we want that to work, we need to be ready for potentially the largest conflict yet (the last bastions of political communism potentially seeing their doom), or the "better" ruler needs to be very China-friendly, if not picked.

Mr Person said:

War is not possible unless China is willing to have a Western influenced potential democracy on its doorstep. Maybe things have changed in several decades, but they spent quite a lot of blood and treasure to convince us not to go all the way, last time around.

If we want that to work, we need to be ready for potentially the largest conflict yet (the last bastions of political communism potentially seeing their doom), or the "better" ruler needs to be very China-friendly, if not picked.

Click to expand...

I think the US and the west needs to revolt against China, shift poor low-wage industry jobs to other countries in Asia/Africa and allow the Chinese economy and government to implode. A Communist China will always pose a threat and they are directly responsible for North Korea via protecting them and being their bloodline for all these years. With China's increasing military presence in the South China Sea and past support of North Korea they can't be allowed to be a world power anymore. Shift all investment out and into other western-friendly developing nations and let China turn back into a 3rd world land of poverty and government owned rice paddy's.

iguanaman said:

Russia is now the King of "rogue states". The whole place is run by criminals. But you don't worry about them do you. Kim is an idiot and China needs to deal with him. We must not lose our focus on Putin and his war on the west.

Click to expand...

Why is Putin in a "war on the the west" again? Why is he our irredeemable enemy? You sound like a special interest lobby who wants to drag the entire West into his war on Putin - like a tail wagging the dog. Russia is a country in need of improvements in governance, and these can only be achieved through peaceful understanding that removes mutual suspicion. The Left aren't interested in that, because their petty politics demands more war with Russia.

Kim is a nutcase at the top of a precarious regime that's barely hanging on, in a small isolated country. He's capable of anything.

sanman said:

Why is Putin in a "war on the the west" again? Why is he our irredeemable enemy? You sound like a special interest lobby who wants to drag the entire West into his war on Putin - like a tail wagging the dog. Russia is a country in need of improvements in governance, and these can only be achieved through peaceful understanding that removes mutual suspicion. The Left aren't interested in that, because their petty politics demands more war with Russia.

Kim is a nutcase at the top of a precarious regime that's barely hanging on, in a small isolated country. He's capable of anything.

Click to expand...

Putin is a relic of the USSR and he is trying to rebuild it. Like the USSR, Putin is the enemy of Democracy worldwide and best friends with N. Korea. Russia helped arrange the last failed treaty for us. Thanks for nothing, Vlad. Where ever the little rat can put a thorn in our side he is there. The fact that the more radical you are for Trump, the fonder of Putin you become leads me to believe that you will lose. We are not a nation that cowers in front of an insignificant worm like Putin. Now that his Manchurian Candidate has been revealed his plan will have a much harder road to success.

iguanaman said:

Putin is a relic of the USSR and he is trying to rebuild it. Like the USSR, Putin is the enemy of Democracy worldwide and best friends with N. Korea. Russia helped arrange the last failed treaty for us. Thanks for nothing, Vlad. Where ever the little rat can put a thorn in our side he is there. The fact that the more radical you are for Trump, the fonder of Putin you become leads me to believe that you will lose. We are not a nation that cowers in front of an insignificant worm like Putin. Now that his Manchurian Candidate has been revealed his plan will have a much harder road to success.

Click to expand...

Why is Putin more of an enemy to Democracy than China's authoritarian dictatorship? Why is Putin a closer friend to North Korea than China is, when China bankrolls North Korea's economy? Do you see any analysts even on Left-wing news networks saying that the US should ask Russia to intercede with North Korea instead of asking China to do so?

So why is the guy who honeymooned in Moscow the highest-polling guy in the Democratic Party? Is hobknobbing with Moscow only okay when you do it?

sanman said:

After 4 tries, North Korea claims it has successfully launched a nuclear ballistic missile - a weapon that is capable of delivering nuclear warheads:

North Korea says it launched missile that can carry nuclear warhead | Fox News

Click to expand...

Kim Ding Dong Un's ding dong was feeling small, so he needed to fire off some rockets to make himself feel better.

If it wasn't for the missiles Ding Dong has pointed at Seoul and the Chinese defending him, that psychopathic son of a bitch could easily be fragged by a few Tomahawk missiles.

DA60 said:

Big deal.

They can develop ICBM's that can hit Washington (which they eventually will, I assume) - again, so what?

They will NEVER use them.

If they do, they know they will be obliterated within an hour or so by a counter attack.

It's just North Korea flexing it's whittle muscles. This show of 'force' is probably more for their starving masses - to reassure them that they are 'on the case' - than for anyone else.

Oh course, U.S. neocons love this stuff to try and justify more money thrown at the MIC (military Industrial Complex).

I am honestly FAR more afraid of American neocons than I am of that fat guy with the weird hairdo in NK.

Click to expand...

You are assuming that the fat guy with the weird hairdo in NK is rational. I sincerely hope you're right, but there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

such as him allowing his subjects to starve when he knows first hand how people live in the west.

Dittohead not! said:

You are assuming that the fat guy with the weird hairdo in NK is rational. I sincerely hope you're right, but there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

such as him allowing his subjects to starve when he knows first hand how people live in the west.

Click to expand...

I am assuming he is semi-rational.

But even so, dictators ALWAYS love power. It does them no good whatsoever to deliberately eradicate their entire country (by launching a nuke at America).


The only leaders that worry me are monarchs...because they did not have to fight for power at all. SO the looney tune son/daughter - no matter how whacko they are - automatically get the job. In that case, you never know what they are thinking.

In this case, yes, he sort of inherited the job. But he was NOT the first born son (third born, I believe)...he 'earned' the job because of his positions on things (or whatever). Plus, he was educated abroad.
He maybe he a sadistic brute. But he had to clearly fight for the job...which means he LOVES power. Probably more than anything else. So there is no way he is going to just toss it all away after fighting so hard to get it.
Naaa...he is no threat whatsoever to commit armageddon on his country, imo.