James Clapper: Our Institutions ‘Are Under Assault’ Both Externally and Internally

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Hawkeye10 said:

I said no such thing.

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Looks like you wrote it pretty clearly.

include in spite of Trumps lifelong ... and attempts to ingratiate himself with power he has always been held to be not good enough,
in his mind he has always been an outsider trying to get in....
.and he goes and beats all the pros to be President and still he gets told that he is not good enough, that he is a parasite on Washington.
And now he rages.

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He's so busy looking for approval that he never matured intellectually. A real shame. That a lot of people like him exist in the country is also a shame.

I am very glad that America could produce one guy who was not like the rest, who had through his hard work amassed enough wealth that he could maintain his contrarian views, because having guys like that is the only way we are going to be able to head off a revolution by way of doing reforms. The elite class has failed, and they continue to refuse to see that they have failed, even after We the People sent a Trump to Washington.....that is some real idiocy right there.

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HAHAHA. Trump is now the rebel outsider?

He's a spoiled ****ing brat who just can't figure out "WHY DON'T PEOPLE LOVE ME!?!"

This guy?


The rich guy told by his father at an early age he was a King? Laugh or cry, or both, I can't decide.

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Mach said:

Looks like you wrote it pretty clearly.



He's so busy looking for approval that he never matured intellectually. A real shame. That a lot of people like him exist in the country is also a shame.


HAHAHA. Trump is now the rebel outsider?

He's a spoiled ****ing brat who just can't figure out "WHY DON'T PEOPLE LOVE ME!?!"

This guy?
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The rich guy told by his father at an early age he was a King? Laugh or cry, or both, I can't decide.

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Again you betray your profound ignorance...I suggest you go spend 15 minutes trying to learn about the relationship between Donald Trump and his father, you should be able to spot your mistake in that time.

Clearly talking to you about Trump is not worth my time.

:bon_voyag

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Hawkeye10 said:

Having cultural significance is a different thing completely from being accepted into the club

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I'm not convinced, but for the purpose of discussion, I will grant this point, because I think the real problem is that you're thinking in too conspiratorial a manner. The elite, as you call them, do not comprise one overarching conspiracy in any formal way, but rather, an array of smaller conspiracies and an allegiance to a particular insidious ideal that marshalls their actions into a certain form that resembles a conspiracy. The simpler point that falls out of this is that Trump doesn't have anyone's back but his own, and perhaps that of his family. While he may be opposed to other elites, that does not make him automatically the friend of the non-elites.

Hawkeye10 said:

I dont understand people who look at the clear record of Trumps hustling for a buck successfully doing high risk deals all of his life often finding himself on the edge if disaster then pulling out and then dismiss it all as if he is a lazy trust fund kid

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Here I must disagree. I never said that Trump is a lazy individual. I don't think he is. However, that doesn't mean he deserves credit for whatever success he has attained. His work might have come to much less had he not been given the advantages that started him off.

Hawkeye10 said:

He does not only believe that he beat all the prose to become POTUS he actually did it, and I think what I do about Trump because over this life I have through practice become very good at figuring out what makes people tick....like Trump.

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I would suggest to you that's probably not a sufficient basis of reasonable belief.

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ashurbanipal said:

I'm not convinced, but for the purpose of discussion, I will grant this point, because I think the real problem is that you're thinking in too conspiratorial a manner. The elite, as you call them, do not comprise one overarching conspiracy in any formal way, but rather, an array of smaller conspiracies and an allegiance to a particular insidious ideal that marshalls their actions into a certain form that resembles a conspiracy. The simpler point that falls out of this is that Trump doesn't have anyone's back but his own, and perhaps that of his family. While he may be opposed to other elites, that does not make him automatically the friend of the non-elites.



Here I must disagree. I never said that Trump is a lazy individual. I don't think he is. However, that doesn't mean he deserves credit for whatever success he has attained. His work might have come to much less had he not been given the advantages that started him off.



I would suggest to you that's probably not a sufficient basis of reasonable belief.

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I have to go but sure, it is not like there are Elite Club meetings where they sit around plotting the road to Utopia and personal enrichment. And for sure it was not ever a forgone conclusion that Trump would betray his class, it was only after coming to the conclusion that America does not work and that it does not work because the elite have some combination of incompetence and lack of will to do better that he turned on the elite. Listen to his speech on Saturday, Trump has given up wanting to be a member of the club, it is clear now that it does not matter what he does, how good his work is, how well he behaves, that is never going to happen.

We should get back to this at some point.

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DaveFagan said:

Would that be the lying, perjurous, scumbag Clapper of recent Congressional testimony, under oath, that set new levels for deceit? Former Director of National Intelligence and full time scumbag. Why would the MSM even quote this pretentious pustule of mandacity?
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Because the MSM is every bit as corrupt as Clapper himself?

As to thread title, Hell Yes our institutions are under attack, and have been for quite some time. The Domestic Enemies that inhabit Congress and other branches of government are far more dangerous and successful than ANY foreign enemy.

Our elected Domestic Enemies have nullified the Fourth Amendment by way of the USA Patriot Act. By way of NDAA amendments they have nullified Habeas Corpus, and by way of the AUMF have paved the way for perpetual war. The bad guys have won, sorry to report.

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j-mac said:

So, does that mean that from 2008 to 2010 when Democrats held all three branches of Government, that they were the "party of oligarchy"?

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They haven't been quite as sold out as the Republicans since at least Reagan's exit, but they are close. Old money vs. new money, generally speaking.

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Hawkeye10 said:

I have to go but sure, it is not like there are Elite Club meetings where they sit around plotting the road to Utopia and personal enrichment. And for sure it was not ever a forgone conclusion that Trump would betray his class, it was only after coming to the conclusion that America does not work and that it does not work because the elite have some combination of incompetence and lack of will to do better that he turned on the elite. Listen to his speech on Saturday, Trump has given up wanting to be a member of the club, it is clear now that it does not matter what he does, how good his work is, how well he behaves, that is never going to happen.

We should get back to this at some point.

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Well, I do agree that the elites have fooked this country royally, and it needs to stop ASAP. Both sides have their tentacles in the pie; they just have slightly different approaches. But it just seems to me that Trump isn't the guy to do it. He doesn't strike me as someone who wants to do so, for one thing.

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ashurbanipal said:

Well, I do agree that the elites have fooked this country royally, and it needs to stop ASAP. Both sides have their tentacles in the pie; they just have slightly different approaches. But it just seems to me that Trump isn't the guy to do it. He doesn't strike me as someone who wants to do so, for one thing.

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But had there never been a Trump where would we be?

At least some people are beginning to understand the magnatude of the problem, if not the exact nature of it because damn them being that bright is a lot to ask in this day and age.

That's progress, for pretty much the first time in so long I cant remember...decades.

I say pretty much no matter what happens you should be thankful for Trump.

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Hawkeye10 said:

But had there never been a Trump where would we be?

At least some people are beginning to understand the magnatude of the problem, if not the exact nature of it because damn them being that bright is a lot to ask in this day and age.

That's progress, for pretty much the first time in so long I cant remember...decades.

I say pretty much no matter what happens you should be thankful for Trump.

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I did have some hope for him, but that's fading pretty fast...though I will admit that lately I've had a difficult time separating him from his supporters and the people around him. I do agree he may work as a wakeup call to the powers that be that **** is going to hit the fan if they continue as they have been.

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Unitedwestand13 said:

Yes.

Tying Donald trump and the Republican Party as the party of oligarchy.

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That would never work Republicans don't christen their presidential candidates.

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Hawkeye10 said:

Sir, while Comey is a Elite Hack by all appearances, he is known to be a R Division Hack, NOT D Division. .

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That is why he threw his career away on clinton?

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ludin said:

That is why he threw his career away on clinton?

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Not that I am aware of.

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Hawkeye10 said:

Not that I am aware of.

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sure he did by not recommending charges he threw his career away.
he laid out about a half hour of evidence and then didn't recommend charges.

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<alt>doxygen said:

They haven't been quite as sold out as the Republicans since at least Reagan's exit, but they are close. Old money vs. new money, generally speaking.

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Believe it when I say that hypocrisy is the mothers milk of politics, but some of this noise pushes the sensibilities of rational people when the democrats whine about some of this stuff.