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Kremlin tweets during closed-door Oval Office meeting with Trump

But the Senate is controlled by Republicans.

Good point - most of them ARE worthless idiots who'd happily sell out their country for tax cuts on the donor class,;) but there are still a few Republican Senators with integrity, and I trust that enough of them would block a partisan hack from such an important position.
 
You haven't explained what interest Putin would have in trolling Trump.

As if Reagan would have supported even the hint of a Clinton Whitehouse. The Gipper famously had the courage to meet with Moscow and risked his political neck to hold a summit with them.

The Left are still angry they lost the Cold War, and can't get free state-run healthcare, along with long waiting lines.

You have a few issues here.

1 - do you have any knowledge of international history? That should give you a reason why Russia would love a chance to publicly troll the US. It gives them the upper hand, and makes us look like idiots. We are involved in proxy wars all over the globe. Appearances matter

2 - Clinton was a moral sewer - despicable. Hillary was an enabler

3 - ah, you actually believe the Cold War is over. Now I understand. We can argue about how insurance companies fir into medical care somewhere else. But the Cold War is still going on. And we are losing. The Gipper would definitely agree here.
 
Good point - most of them ARE worthless idiots who'd happily sell out their country for tax cuts on the donor class,;) but there are still a few Republican Senators with integrity, and I trust that enough of them would block a partisan hack from such an important position.

You shouldn't be so trusting. I could very easily foresee a scenario in which Rudy Giuliani, for example, were offered the post. Giuliani will play ball with Trump, and the Republicans love him. You'd have to bank on turning Lindsey Graham and John McCain....which is possible... but by no means guaranteed.

Now, will it actually be Giuliani? I don't think so. I think the Democrats will come to the table and offer some kind of truce.
 
You have a few issues here.

1 - do you have any knowledge of international history? That should give you a reason why Russia would love a chance to publicly troll the US. It gives them the upper hand, and makes us look like idiots. We are involved in proxy wars all over the globe. Appearances matter

I'll pit my Cold War history knowledge against yours any day - bring it on. Tell me exactly how some stupid tiny press conference makes it look like Putin has the upper hand - tell me why Putin would want to look like he has the upper hand over Trump, if you think Trump & Putin are trying to conceal one being the other's stooge.
It's the damn Left-wing US media who are playing up the press conference, not anybody else - our so-called "loyal patriotic American press" who claim to be fighting for American electoral sovereignty. You gonna claim they're acting as Putin's mouthpieces too?

Your self-serving logic makes no sense - for you, All Roads Lead to Rome - or in this case, lead to Russia.


2 - Clinton was a moral sewer - despicable. Hillary was an enabler


The Democratic party is still in the sewer with Clinton - she was their nominee, remember - and they still can't get over her - she's still doing media events claiming she should have been coronated POTUS. She was on TV attacking Comey just the other day.

3 - ah, you actually believe the Cold War is over. Now I understand. We can argue about how insurance companies fir into medical care somewhere else. But the Cold War is still going on. And we are losing. The Gipper would definitely agree here.

For obsessive ethnic feudalists like yourself, the Cold War can never be over - as long as the White Whale is somewhere in the distance, you'll still be screeching "Thar She Blows!"

What Reagan would note, if he were still alive, is that the US is now playing 2nd fiddle to China, which is rapidly overtaking the United States in economic, military, and geopolitical power.
Reagan would be particularly incensed, because he supported working-class America (which supported him back), he supported rollback of the expanding creeping administrative state, he supported American primacy and the idea of "America First". Trump's platform was nothing more than a sharper echo of what Reagan said - stronger economy by rolling back regulation, stronger military to fight for American interests, and zero tolerance for terrorism or drug lords. Reagan elevated the Drug War to a higher level, just as he did with terrorism ("You Can Run, But You Can't Hide")

You may remember how Democrat House Speaker Tip O'Neill said Reagan was "the worst" president, "but he'd have made a hell of a king" - well, that's pretty much how Dems feel about Trump today.
 
Are you trying to get a rise out of me? it's not going to work Mr. ignorant.

I am not trying to get a rise out of you, I am trying to get you to be consistent in your statements. You have bounced from your statements to the press to your opinion etc etc.

Nice try on the name though, no thanks on the bait, I had salmon for lunch.
 
Doesn't matter to me - no reason to keep the U.S. media out of it at all, whether or not the Trump admin willingly let in TASS or was duped. If duped, that's pretty hilarious really, except it's a kind of FU from the Russians to lie right to the Trump admin's face then post photos to Twitter immediately. I can't figure out why the Trump admin would make the deception public - makes them look stupid or as Russian pawns.

The MSM needs to be kept out of the Whitehouse at all costs.

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They are habitual liars. I'd rather see RT in the Press pool than most of the MSM.
 
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[QUOTE="sanman, post: 1067190970, member: 26634"] [PHP] I'll pit my Cold War history knowledge against yours any day - bring it on. Tell me exactly how some stupid tiny press conference makes it look like Putin has the upper hand - tell me why Putin would want to look like he has the upper hand over Trump, if you think Trump & Putin are trying to conceal one being the other's stooge.
It's the damn Left-wing US media who are playing up the press conference, not anybody else - our so-called "loyal patriotic American press" who claim to be fighting for American electoral sovereignty. You gonna claim they're acting as Putin's mouthpieces too?

Your self-serving logic makes no sense - for you, All Roads Lead to Rome - or in this case, lead to Russia.
Putin is former KGB officer and damn smart. Russia is openly committing them right now in the Crimea to regain land they lost at their weakest. We aren't occupying Iraq where our atrocities happened. This matters in a geopolitical sense. His agenda is not ours - they are not and never will be our friend. Putin wants a strong Russia so why try to strengthen their biggest competitor? Why would they want us strong? Why would they want us taking the same slice of world pie as they do - it makes theirs smaller. Allies are always weaker than we are in some way. If a country is at the same strength, they compete to be king of every mountain.

Study the trends in the past century - England was a world power bigger than Russia last century. Now what are they? ISIS was born in the WWI when we destroyed the Ottoman Empire. WWII changed borders all around the world. The result of both of those events made the US a world power, and Russia too. This isn't about economics. Or just economics. It's about us becoming England.

Russia, China and the US compete - our part of the triangle is getting weaker. No democracy has ever lasted more than 200 years - Russia is ****ing with our democracy when they even try to influence the vote. And they are doing it for Russia - not for us. Whether or not it influenced the election will be debated forever. Not my issue - my issue is them being able to interfere at all. Slippery slope, anyone?

PHP:
The Democratic party is still in the sewer with Clinton - she was their nominee, remember - and they still can't get over her - she's still doing media events claiming she should have been coronated POTUS. She was on TV attacking Comey just the other day.


The Republicans are right there with them - don't fool yourself. It's possible to hate Hilary and Trump. I know I do. So don't assume that those who object to Trump in any way supported Hillary. It's called being an independent.

But Trump is in office and the election is over. Hilary is no longer an issue. Trump is predictable, inexperienced, arrogant and narcissist. Not unusual, but more than most. He is also defensive and unwilling to learn or to listen to anyone out side his circle. My belief - Trump had a temper tantrum because he's thin skinned. Then they put out a story, throwing Rosenstein under the bus. Maybe Trump wanted to do what was right during the interview but it added up to throwing the rest of his people under the bus. That's a microcosm of everything wrong with what is going on.
 
Putin is former KGB officer and damn smart. Russia is openly committing them right now in the Crimea to regain land they lost at their weakest. We aren't occupying Iraq where our atrocities happened. This matters in a geopolitical sense. His agenda is not ours - they are not and never will be our friend. Putin wants a strong Russia so why try to strengthen their biggest competitor? Why would they want us strong? Why would they want us taking the same slice of world pie as they do - it makes theirs smaller. Allies are always weaker than we are in some way. If a country is at the same strength, they compete to be king of every mountain.

The Cold War's supposed to be over - you need to come in from the cold. This "KGB" supervillain thing is getting old, like a McCarthyist redux - and to see the Left of all people leading the charge on it is absolutely farcical, given their obvious political leanings for the past 70 years. Bernie is the top-polling figure in the Democratic Party right now - the same guy who honeymooned in Moscow, remember? Talk about speaking out of both sides of one's mouth. :roll:


Study the trends in the past century - England was a world power bigger than Russia lasor thet century. Now what are they? ISIS was born in the WWI when we destroyed the Ottoman Empire. WWII changed borders all around the world. The result of both of those events made the US a world power, and Russia too. This isn't about economics. Or just economics. It's about us becoming England.

For goodness sakes man, Russia is in demographic decline - they've been falling on international rankings in every category. Their economic ranking has fallen. It's China and Islam which are the rising powers now - the momentum is with them. Look who's scooping up more medals at the Olympics these days - it's not Moscow. By continuing to fight the old war instead of the new one, by not updating with the times, you're the one trying to put America behind.

Russia, China and the US compete - our part of the triangle is getting weaker. No democracy has ever lasted more than 200 years - Russia is ****ing with our democracy when they even try to influence the vote. And they are doing it for Russia - not for us. Whether or not it influenced the election will be debated forever. Not my issue - my issue is them being able to interfere at all. Slippery slope, anyone?

Unless Russia hacked the voting machines, then everyone who voted in the November elections voted for the candidate they wanted - to me, that's a free and fair election.
And don't give me this crap about "voters don't know better - only I have the mental capacity to think clearly when Putin's around":roll:




The Republicans are right there with them - don't fool yourself. It's possible to hate Hilary and Trump. I know I do. So don't assume that those who object to Trump in any way supported Hillary. It's called being an independent.

But Trump is in office and the election is over. Hilary is no longer an issue. Trump is predictable, inexperienced, arrogant and narcissist. Not unusual, but more than most. He is also defensive and unwilling to learn or to listen to anyone out side his circle. My belief - Trump had a temper tantrum because he's thin skinned. Then they put out a story, throwing Rosenstein under the bus. Maybe Trump wanted to do what was right during the interview but it added up to throwing the rest of his people under the bus. That's a microcosm of everything wrong with what is going on.

Trump got voted in as a turncoat-elite - he's a longtime elite guy who had long been able to buy his way into the elite circles, but became disgruntled because they never really accepted him. Because he joined that independent party and then dared to pick on Crown Prince Obama, they never forgave him for that. If ever there was a POTUS who aligned himself with foreign interests, it was Obama, birth certificate notwithstanding.

Sure, Trump's thin-skinned and all of that - but like the saying goes, "He maybe a jerk, but he's our jerk." All the people who voted for him did go out of that same sense of alienation, marginalization, and frustration that he reflected.
 
So your defense of Trump is Trump and his people were incompetent?

LOL


Haha! You're so witty! No, just saying they didn't invite the Russian media as is being lied about.
 
Are you comfortable with trump repetitively changing his many stories ?

I'm not "comfortable" with any of this...including the blind unwillingness to be reasonable. I'm also a fan of sticking to a thread's topic.
 
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Kremlin tweets during closed-door Oval Office meeting with Trump - CBS News

The Russian-sourced pictures are the only public record of the meetings as of this writing, largely because members of the White House press pool — who are charged to report on the president's whereabouts and what happens inside the White House — were not allowed into the meeting Wednesday morning. No photos were taken by the White House press of the president's meeting with Lavrov and with Russian Envoy Sergey Kislyak.

Twitter accounts held by the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Russian Embassy provided a running commentary of highlights from Lavrov's Washington visit, including Lavrov's jibes with reporter's at the State Department regarding FBI Director James Comey's firing.


Hey, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs has a twitter acct. You should see what they posted - here's the link. Trump actually looks like he's about to get down on his knees in front of Lavrov, and he looks like he is picking Kislyak's pocket. I bet the Russians are enjoying this. Trump Just made a laughingstock out of our country. We won the cold war - Russia just won the peace.

Because now the he White House say they were misled over the Russian photographer who was present during the meeting between Donald Trump and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. When photos of the encounter emerged, US officials were said to be surprised because they had barred news media from attending the Oval Office meeting. The only people taking pictures in the room were the official White House photographer and a Russian, who had been described as Mr Lavrov’s official photographer. The Russian side did not disclose that he also worked for Tass, a state-run news agency.

Putin just trolled Trump - and then tweeted had his own victory tweets. The Gipper is spinning in his grave.


Any word/tweet from Russia is manipulation to the worst extent of anything imaginable. Trump thinks otherwise. Trump is being played by Putin like a pud.
 
Any word/tweet from Russia is manipulation to the worst extent of anything imaginable. Trump thinks otherwise. Trump is being played by Putin like a pud.

Says who - the "patriotic" American Left? We all know how hard they're rooting for "America First". :roll:

Just another excuse for carping against Trump - what else is new.
 
Says who - the "patriotic" American Left? We all know how hard they're rooting for "America First". :roll:

Just another excuse for carping against Trump - what else is new.


Let’s take my post apart: “Any word/tweet from Russia is manipulation to the worst extent of anything imaginable.”

Do you disagree with that? If so, in what way, why and what factual support have you to back up what you say?

“Trump thinks otherwise.”

Trump is on record as having thought otherwise. Do you disagree? Or, have you not been receiving any news for the past year?

“. Trump is being played by Putin like a pud.”

Now we have an argument. Maybe Trump is playing Putin like a pud. IMO, given that most of what Trump has said about his relationship with Putin is totally false, whereas what Putin has said is the truth… Or, prove otherwise.
 
Let’s take my post apart: “Any word/tweet from Russia is manipulation to the worst extent of anything imaginable.”

Do you disagree with that? If so, in what way, why and what factual support have you to back up what you say?

Uh, genius, if you're the one making the assertion(in the quote marks above), then the onus is on YOU to back up what you say.

“Trump thinks otherwise.”


Trump is on record as having thought otherwise. Do you disagree? Or, have you not been receiving any news for the past year?

About what again?

“. Trump is being played by Putin like a pud.”

Now we have an argument. Maybe Trump is playing Putin like a pud. IMO, given that most of what Trump has said about his relationship with Putin is totally false, whereas what Putin has said is the truth… Or, prove otherwise.

Haha, like I've said you're the one concocting the conspiracy theory about Trump & Putin, so unless you prove it, I'm not believing in it.
 
Uh, genius, if you're the one making the assertion(in the quote marks above), then the onus is on YOU to back up what you say.



About what again?



Haha, like I've said you're the one concocting the conspiracy theory about Trump & Putin, so unless you prove it, I'm not believing in it.


“Uh, genius, if you're the one making the assertion(in the quote marks above), then the onus is on YOU to back up what you say.

“About what again”

You are absolutely right. I was going on the assumption you knew of the fact that the FBI, along with all other American intelligence agencies, and both political sides of Congress have concluded the same thing. I don’t expect you to come up with any facts to back up your answer. Just to answer what you avoid, and I expect you will continue to run away from. Trump thinks there was no Russian attempt to influence the 2016 US Presidential election. As I’ve already asked, do you agree or not? BTW, that I don’t expect, if you answer, to come up with any supporting fact does not mean I won’t be thrilled to hear it. It’s already quite obvious there are no facts to support Trump campaign collusion with Russia. But, that’s not what is the question before us.

“Haha, like I've said you're the one concocting the conspiracy theory about Trump & Putin, so unless you prove it, I'm not believing in it.”

Why are you dancing glory rings around what I’ve already agreed was a good argument? It’s my opinion, and I have more facts to back up what I say than any comparison in Presidential v. Russian leader history. I don’t trust you to acknowledge any fact I bring out, so I won’t cast fact onto such as you. Trump has nothing but praise for Putin. Maybe you think more world leaders should do the same. Do you agree with Trump’s praise of Putin? At least give a direct yes or no answer, then you can follow-up with any qualification, and liquidate your answer.
 
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