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Hero' stopped mass murder by crazed bar patron who was armed to the teeth, police say

Re: Hero' stopped mass murder by crazed bar patron who was armed to the teeth, police

HenryChinaski said:
Because I like to shoot them from time to time but I'm also not a fetishist I don't get turned on by weapons nor do I fantasize about the "good Samaritan" with a gun who stops a a bad guy. I take a Metra to work every day. I sit on a train car surrounded by 80 people all piled on top of one another. If some **** went down and somebody pulled a gun in "defense" it would do nothing but get scores of people killed. Gun fetishists have trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality.
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You're kidding, right? You can say with a straight face that all of the terror attacks that killed more than let's say twenty people or more, you would rather there have not been anyone with a gun there to stop it? The French concert terrorist attack killed 129 people. One person with a gun could have greatly decreased the carnage.
 
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Mac77 said:
The 2nd Amendment is alive and well in Texas
And so are several innocent bar patrons who might be dead if the shooter had picked a gun frre zone n lib la la land instead
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There's probably not a way this guy could have made it to a gun-free zone.
Otherwise, rationally, that's the place he would have chosen.
If we take it your way, it sounds as if this guy who wanted to shoot people up wasn't making rational choices.
If people intent on mass shootings are not rational choices, how could we possibly deter them by allowing weapons in schools and other places?

Re-think the narrative you want to push here.

I think you mean...

This guy was so intent on suicide,
that he went to a place where people are allowed to have guns—like a bar?—
to end his own life.
 
Re: Hero' stopped mass murder by crazed bar patron who was armed to the teeth, police

Simon W. Moon said:
There's probably not a way this guy could have made it to a gun-free zone.


Otherwise, rationally, that's the place he would have chosen.


If we take it your way, it sounds as if this guy who wanted to shoot people up wasn't making rational choices.
If people intent on mass shootings are not rational choices, how could we possibly deter them by allowing weapons in schools and other places?

Re-think the narrative you want to push here.

I think you mean...

This guy was so intent on suicide,
that he went to a place where people are allowed to have guns—like a bar?—
to end his own life.
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I'm not sure I would call any mass murderer rational

But I bet he wasnt expecting anyone inside the bar to be armed
 
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Kal'Stang said:
Those generally have their own threads. What would you rather have people do? Post ONLY negative material about guns? That way all the good stuff that happens can be ignored by gun control folks?
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I'd prefer some attempt to link up the single-instance post to statistics and then make an argument. Or, at least, acknowledge the other side of the coin in a meaningful way.

Otherwise, it's no better than me saying dog owners are self-centered bastards, because I had to dodge a turd lying on the sidewalk when I went for my morning run....
 
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Mr Person said:
I'd prefer some attempt to link up the single-instance post to statistics and then make an argument. Or, at least, acknowledge the other side of the coin in a meaningful way.

Otherwise, it's no better than me saying dog owners are self-centered bastards, because I had to dodge a turd lying on the sidewalk when I went for my morning run....
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You mean the way liberals thought they could use mass school shooting as an excuse to ban guns

Remember, any game your side can think up my side can learn to play
 
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Mr Person said:
It's nice when things work out, but these threads really are quite silly if we do not also account for when things go wrong.

When a "good guy with a gun" accidentally shoots a family member while cleaning it, leaves it out and a kid shoots himself, tries to shoot the bad guy but hits a bystander, pulls the gun out to shoot the bad guy but gets shot by the bad guy who might not have shot him otherwise. Etc.
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I get the impression you dislike the Second Amendment. Do you?
 
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Deuce said:
If you take away everyone's guns, they wont shoot anyone, yes.
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That sounds very much as if you would like to see the Second Amendment repealed. If so, are there any other fundamental individual rights the Constitution guarantees that you wish it did not?
 
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matchlight said:
That sounds very much as if you would like to see the Second Amendment repealed. If so, are there any other fundamental individual rights the Constitution guarantees that you wish it did not?
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I'm guessing, all of them.
 
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Deuce said:
If you take away everyone's guns, they wont shoot anyone, yes.
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Yeah, and if pigs could fly.... Good luck on that one, pal. Prohibition is a loser. We make possession of drugs like heroin and cocaine a felony, spend tens of billions of dollars each year combating the drug trade, and yet about 50,000 people a year and rising are kicking the bucket from drug overdoses.

Overdose Death Rates
 
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JANFU said:
Nope but you have a high rate of violence in the US. Crack that nut and you will win a Nobel
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The "nut" has been "cracked." Violent crime has been on a steep and steady decline for decades, and is at 60-year lows.
 
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Harshaw said:
The "nut" has been "cracked." Violent crime has been on a steep and steady decline for decades, and is at 60-year lows.
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How many murders per year for the past 10 years?
 
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JANFU said:
How many murders per year for the past 10 years?
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Fewer every single year, for decades on end. It's going steadily down. The "nut" is being "cracked" further and further every year. What else do you need?
 
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Harshaw said:
Fewer every single year, for decades on end. It's going steadily down. The "nut" is being "cracked" further and further every year. What else do you need?
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14- 15 K is that not high? I am referring to the murder rates
United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2015
 
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JANFU said:
14- 15 K is that not high? I am referring to the murder rates
United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2015
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Dude. The problem is abating steadily on a decades-long trend and is at historical lows. And all indications are that it will continue to go lower. What else can you expect from "cracking" that "nut"? Zero? Perfection? Ain't gonna happen.
 
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