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Bounty hunters fired on the wrong car, killing father of three, police say

blackjack50 said:
Can you explain what the problem is? Do you understand the issue doesn't start and end with judges? Do you realize people would freak out if judges started denying bond? And then, of course, the rich ones with lawyers would freak out when bond is set ridiculously high. And the inevitable race question (because what discussion about the legal system is complete without this). And let's not forget our overburdened and under staffed local jails.


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If there is enough people skipping bail that you require bounty hunters and bail is set so high that bail bonds are needed there is something wrong with the bail system. Bail bonds should be made illegal, and like I said clearly a review needs to be made on when bail is granted. This is a job for real law enforcement and states are shirking their responsibility.
 
Carjosse said:
If there is enough people skipping bail that you require bounty hunters and bail is set so high that bail bonds are needed there is something wrong with the bail system. Bail bonds should be made illegal, and like I said clearly a review needs to be made on when bail is granted. This is a job for real law enforcement and states are shirking their responsibility.
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So people won't try and cheat the system if you set bail low? They won't skip out? And more people won't make bail and thus...more people won't attempt to skip bail?


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So people won't try and cheat the system if you set bail low? They won't skip out? And more people won't make bail and thus...more people won't attempt to skip bail?


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Bail bonds are artificially inflating the cost of bail, and seems to be set too low regardless. The whole bail bond and bounty hunter system is just a patch instead of finding a real solution to the problem which is ineffective bail policies.
 
Casper said:
Murder, Life, Without the possibility of Parole, the cons are going to have a field day in prison with this bunch.
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Yes I am sure they made a few enemies.
 
OK, so, like, the reason we have bail is we have an overcrowded jail problem. The reason we have an overcrowded jail problem is weed is illegal. Ergo, make weed legal, less people in jail. More room for bad guys. No need for bail. Less congestion in the system, faster trials.
:2party::ind::party
 
MaggieD said:
Hopefully, those who discharged their weapons get life in prison. IF THE FACTS ARE AS PRESENTED.
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One thing for sure- they chased a car firing weapons. 1 young man dead.
 
ThoughtEx. said:
OK, so, like, the reason we have bail is we have an overcrowded jail problem. The reason we have an overcrowded jail problem is weed is illegal. Ergo, make weed legal, less people in jail. More room for bad guys. No need for bail. Less congestion in the system, faster trials.
:2party::ind::party
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Huh? Bail ensures people show up for trial without forcing them to be locked up. Innocent people shouldn't be behind bars.
 
JANFU said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...r-of-three-police-say/?utm_term=.1f4c0058fbcf



What a cluster of an operation. Chasing the vehicle, still firing, placing numerous people at risk. Serious jail time should be the result.
Bounty hunters, more like band of idiots
Thoughts are?
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I have known bounty hunters, but most or atleast all that I have met are not idiots like that. They are usually armed but always attempt to take the target without lethal force, and have lethal force if the target tries to use it.

The ones I met usually investigate the target, then camp it out waiting for them, and usually just ambush them and take them into custody. None of them I have met would use deadly force on someone fleeing, or at all unless their life was threatened, they still have to abide by laws, and shooting at a wanted man for running away from you is not really permissable in any law unless the threat he posed demanded it, which is extremely rare.
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Then you get the regular public accommodations. Bail is a benefit to the person and to the community that doesn't have to feed and house you. It is the reason for the popularity for home detention and monitoring--to save money.

If you are against bail, then you are against the implied right in the 8th Amendment.
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Where in the 8th amendment does it mention money?


Please understand, it's the money aspect that I have a problem with.
 
Ok I looked up texas law on bounty hunters, this state should be the example others follow for bounty hunter laws. Texas requires them to be certified by the state as law enforcement of the variation of private investigators, and requires them to renew their licencse yearly at 60 bucks a year plus 8 hours continuing education, 1 hour in laws, 7 in ethics classes.

Basically they need to be near the same certification as body guards, law enforcement and armed security guards ib this state to be bounty hunters, unlike other states with nearly no restrictions on it.
 
beerftw said:
I have known bounty hunters, but most or atleast all that I have met are not idiots like that. They are usually armed but always attempt to take the target without lethal force, and have lethal force if the target tries to use it.

The ones I met usually investigate the target, then camp it out waiting for them, and usually just ambush them and take them into custody. None of them I have met would use deadly force on someone fleeing, or at all unless their life was threatened, they still have to abide by laws, and shooting at a wanted man for running away from you is not really permissable in any law unless the threat he posed demanded it, which is extremely rare.
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Having a cousin in that field you are correct. a fleeing suspect does not warrant deadly force unless they are using some deadly force against someone else.
 
KevinKohler said:
Where in the 8th amendment does it mention money?


Please understand, it's the money aspect that I have a problem with.
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The 8th amendment references money in the 2nd word for this topic and again in the 9th. You really didn't know that?

I don't know how to respond to the money aspect or would you prefer cattle or sheep as bail?
 
AliHajiSheik said:
The 8th amendment references money in the 2nd word for this topic and again in the 9th. You really didn't know that?

I don't know how to respond to the money aspect or would you prefer cattle or sheep as bail?
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Excessive could be construed as any amount the accused can't afford.

Either we make everyone sit in prison during trial, or we don't. Money should not be a prerequisite to be treated equally.
 
KevinKohler said:
Excessive could be construed as any amount the accused can't afford.

Either we make everyone sit in prison during trial, or we don't. Money should not be a prerequisite to be treated equally.
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Now you're speaking against a hallowed tradition.
 
KevinKohler said:
Excessive could be construed as any amount the accused can't afford.

Either we make everyone sit in prison during trial, or we don't. Money should not be a prerequisite to be treated equally.
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Since the topic is on bounty hunters, I'll not follow you on your left turn at Albuquerque.
 
Even if they were chasing the "right" guys, what right do they have shooting at them, and in public no less?
 
Carjosse said:
Bail bonds are artificially inflating the cost of bail, and seems to be set too low regardless. The whole bail bond and bounty hunter system is just a patch instead of finding a real solution to the problem which is ineffective bail policies.
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So higher bail is the answer?


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JANFU said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...r-of-three-police-say/?utm_term=.1f4c0058fbcf



What a cluster of an operation. Chasing the vehicle, still firing, placing numerous people at risk. Serious jail time should be the result.
Bounty hunters, more like band of idiots
Thoughts are?
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I find it interesting that when these people do it they go to jail and face murder charges but when cops do it and they have.
They get off.

Now I support cops just like anyone else and friends of mine are cops but for me the same rules should apply.
But they don't.

It stinks these little kids lost their dad.
 
ludin said:
I find it interesting that when these people do it they go to jail and face murder charges but when cops do it and they have.
They get off.

Now I support cops just like anyone else and friends of mine are cops but for me the same rules should apply.
But they don't.

It stinks these little kids lost their dad.
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It is nigh on to impossible to convict an LEO. That is if it even gets past a GJ
 
blackjack50 said:
So higher bail is the answer?


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Most likely, but without the option of a bail bond because you do not have to factor that cost in. A $1000 bail is only effectively a $500 one because of bail bonds.
 
JANFU said:
It is nigh on to impossible to convict an LEO. That is if it even gets past a GJ
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I know to me that is an issue to a degree. I think they should have some latitude, but if they do the same thing I don't see
a difference. In fact they should have a higher standard to uphold.
 
ludin said:
I know to me that is an issue to a degree. I think they should have some latitude, but if they do the same thing I don't see
a difference. In fact they should have a higher standard to uphold.
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Perhaps, when time permits check police killings where they were found culpable/guilty, and see the sentence arrived at and how many were given short terms and how many are still in law enforcement
See how many Officers fired for misconduct are hired by another Dept. You may be surprised
 
JANFU said:
Perhaps, when time permits check police killings where they were found culpable/guilty, and see the sentence arrived at and how many were given short terms and how many are still in law enforcement
See how many Officers fired for misconduct are hired by another Dept. You may be surprised
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that is the problem it is a revolving door similar to college football coaches.
one guy gets fired makes a few mill on a buy out gets hired elsewhere only to get fired and makes millions more on a buy out.

look at Charlie Weiss.

for me if you get fired for misconduct you shouldn't be allowed to have a new job.
 
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