FBI Director Comey Says Classified Clinton Emails Were Forwarded to Anthony Weiner

chuckiechan · May 3, 2017

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Mr Person said:
He also said they needed to find evidence of knowing wrongdoing to sustain charges and didn't find any. I haven't dealt with any political corruption cases, state or fed, so I can't weigh in on that.

But unless the head of the FBI can be shown to not know the law, you guys really need to stop talking about Hillary Clinton's ****ing email server. It's beyond stupid at this point.

(It's amazing. They'll say talking about Trump's resistance to and Congress's heel-dragging regarding investigating possible Russian attempts to interfere in our election is just trying to "deflect" or change the subject. In the next breath, they'll start rambling on about the goddamn server, which was investigated. Repeatedly.)

She was reckless. She admitted it. The FBI investigated.

But she wasn't treated as "equal under the law" by a long shot. I get that we aren't Venezuela, jailing our opposition, but the Clinton server, plus Clinton,inc., plus the Clinton Foundation are beyond the pale and honest men can argue that an exception should have been made in her case just to show that "sometimes" the law applies to the big shots, too.

Linc · May 3, 2017

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ttwtt78640 said:
It goes much deeper than that - note that nobody is in any legal trouble over the obvious mishandling of classified data. It's the "just us" system in plain view and nobody seems to much care.

Republicans would have already impeached Clinton if she had won the election .

Mr Person · May 3, 2017

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Tanngrisnir said:
https://twitter.com/LawyerRogelio/status/859824285510246401

GRAHAM: "Is it fair to say that the Russian government is still involved in American politics?"

COMEY: "Yes."

The only sensible time to listen to Comey when stuff he says can be used to make a Democrat look bad. Stands to reason.

Mr Person · May 3, 2017

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Mr Person said:
He also said they needed to find evidence of knowing wrongdoing to sustain charges and didn't find any. I haven't dealt with any political corruption cases, state or fed, so I can't weigh in on that.

But unless the head of the FBI can be shown to not know the law, you guys really need to stop talking about Hillary Clinton's ****ing email server. It's beyond stupid at this point.

(It's amazing. They'll say talking about Trump's resistance to and Congress's heel-dragging regarding investigating possible Russian attempts to interfere in our election is just trying to "deflect" or change the subject. In the next breath, they'll start rambling on about the goddamn server, which was investigated. Repeatedly.)

She was reckless. She admitted it. The FBI investigated.

Jack Hays said:
The emails aren't the point.

I already read an article on the subject of your OP. Hence this statement: "He also said they needed to find evidence of knowing wrongdoing to sustain charges and didn't find any." It was made specifically with reference to the forwarding. See below.

ttwtt78640 said:
That (bolded above) is pure BS. Comey stated that there was no precedent for prosecution for doing so without intent - not that the letter of the law required intent to disclose to be considered gross negligence. This whole deal was rigged from the start - the head of the FBI is not the proper federal authority to argue (prosecute) legal cases. There are distinct duties that differ between investigators and prosecutors and for good reason. For one thing, prosecutors must share evidence with (disclose evidence to?) the defense/alleged perp - investigators have no such requirements.

Try not to be wrong when you call someone else's statement "BS". It's the kind of mistake that can lead many DP posters to jump thread.

“Somehow, her emails were being forwarded to Anthony Weiner, including classified information,’’ Comey said, adding later, “His then-spouse Huma Abedin appears to have had a regular practice of forwarding emails to him for him to print out for her so she could deliver them to the secretary of state.” . . . “Really the central problem we had with the whole email investigation was proving people . . . had some sense they were doing something unlawful. That was our burden, and we were unable to meet it,’’ he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...?utm_term=.3783e2e31e38&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Please tell me you're not trying to claim that the forwarding of emails is somehow not part of the email investigation.

I also don't need a lecture on the difference between a prosecutor and a law enforcement officer. You do realize that prosecutors don't need the police to give them permission to seek to indict someone? The police can determine not to bring charges and the prosecutor can do it anyway. So, 3/10 on the try.

hanger4 said:
"gross negligence" doesn't require intent.

Please see the above.

If you know more than the head of the FBI or any US Attorneys answering to/communicating with him, then please do go public. It'd be really bad if none of them knew what they were talking about.

I suspect, rather, that your post is misdirection.

Mr Person · May 3, 2017

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chuckiechan said:
But she wasn't treated as "equal under the law" by a long shot. I get that we aren't Venezuela, jailing our opposition, but the Clinton server, plus Clinton,inc., plus the Clinton Foundation are beyond the pale and honest men can argue that an exception should have been made in her case just to show that "sometimes" the law applies to the big shots, too.

I don't know how anyone could conclude that Comey is somehow in the tank for Clinton. He announces the reopening what....ten days before the election? Gee, great guy to have on one's own team.

Your first statement is accidentally true though: SEVEN investigations in congress plus an FBI investigation over an email server, and no evidence of criminal acts uncovered. I've never seen anything like that.

You didn't mean that, of course. You think she was treated too well, even though nobody has disproven the FBI's statements that it only prosecuted individuals with aggravating circumstances, not anyone in her case. But you've got to keep saying it, because you guys used the email crap to smear her and justify your decision to elect a dangerously spastic and mentally damaged man-child.

I wouldn't want to admit I'd screwed up that bad, either. But I would anyway.

bubbabgone · May 3, 2017

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Jack Hays said:
Hmmm. Previously it might have seemed as if the episodes were inadvertent. This makes it clear they were purposeful and deliberate.

Maybe Huma asked Tony to add his own trademark greetings on the classified emails for Hillary. Maybe as a kind of emoji to alert her to specially important information.

bubbabgone · May 3, 2017

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What struck me about today's Senate hearing was Sen. Al Franken playing the role of Rep. Joaquin Castro at the House hearing.
They asked questions loaded with assertions they knew couldn't be addressed in public.

ttwtt78640 · May 3, 2017

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Mr Person said:
I already read an article on the subject of your OP. Hence this statement: "He also said they needed to find evidence of knowing wrongdoing to sustain charges and didn't find any." It was made specifically with reference to the forwarding. See below.

Try not to be wrong when you call someone else's statement "BS". It's the kind of mistake that can lead many DP posters to jump thread.

“Somehow, her emails were being forwarded to Anthony Weiner, including classified information,’’ Comey said, adding later, “His then-spouse Huma Abedin appears to have had a regular practice of forwarding emails to him for him to print out for her so she could deliver them to the secretary of state.” . . . “Really the central problem we had with the whole email investigation was proving people . . . had some sense they were doing something unlawful. That was our burden, and we were unable to meet it,’’ he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...?utm_term=.3783e2e31e38&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Please tell me you're not trying to claim that the forwarding of emails is somehow not part of the email investigation.

I also don't need a lecture on the difference between a prosecutor and a law enforcement officer. You do realize that prosecutors don't need the police to give them permission to seek to indict someone? The police can determine not to bring charges and the prosecutor can do it anyway. So, 3/10 on the try.

Please see the above.

If you know more than the head of the FBI or any US Attorneys answering to/communicating with him, then please do go public. It'd be really bad if none of them knew what they were talking about.

I suspect, rather, that your post is misdirection.

The Clinton "defense" is basically that she did not know that classified material was on her server and thus that it was being mishandled and sent to unauthorized persons and locations. We all remember being told that ignorance of the law is no excuse. It defies belief that the head of a very security conscious federal agency was never briefed on the definition, recognition and proper handling of classified data. Even more incredulous when others said that they had brought the matter to her attention.

Clinton's State Dept. warned against private email use | TheHill

bubbabgone · May 3, 2017

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ttwtt78640 said:
The Clinton "defense" is basically that she did not know that classified material was on her server and thus that it was being mishandled and sent to unauthorized persons and locations. We all remember being told that ignorance of the law is no excuse. It defies belief that the head of a very security conscious federal agency was never briefed on the definition, recognition and proper handling of classified data. Even more incredulous when others said that they had brought the matter to her attention.

Clinton's State Dept. warned against private email use | TheHill

She neither recognized anything as possibly classified or wonder why no one ever sent her anything classified.

Mr Person · May 3, 2017

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ttwtt78640 said:
The Clinton "defense" is basically that she did not know that classified material was on her server and thus that it was being mishandled and sent to unauthorized persons and locations. We all remember being told that ignorance of the law is no excuse. It defies belief that the head of a very security conscious federal agency was never briefed on the definition, recognition and proper handling of classified data. Even more incredulous when others said that they had brought the matter to her attention.

Clinton's State Dept. warned against private email use | TheHill

You're changing the subject. Nothing I said relied on or had anything to do with Clinton's defense. I don't care about Clinton's defense.

I hate having to summarize what words were typed, but here I just have to go again because this constantly happens on DP:

1. I was talking about what COMEY said as it related to Jack Hays's seeming belief that the new information would "change the narrative."

2. You called my statement based on his quotes "pure BS." (And tried to lecture me on the roles of prosecutors and law enforcement officers, apparently not understanding that prosecutors are not bound by a law enforcement officer's decision to recommend charges or not (or, in state cases, to themselves bring charges that a prosecutor must then choose to pursue or dismiss/nolle prosse. But that was also changing the subject).

3. I provided a link quoting Comey and proving that your characterization of my statement was itself the dishonest BS.

4. Use of the ">>" verifies all of this.

Annnnnd now you want to change the subject to whether or not I like Clinton's defense. I didn't say a damned word about Clinton.

ttwtt78640 · May 3, 2017

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bubbabgone said:
She neither recognized anything as possibly classified or wonder why no one ever sent her anything classified.

That seems to be the Clintonian version of the truth which was accepted by the "just us" system. We, of course, must accept that none of the many thousands of "personal" destroyed emails were classified and that the classified emails on Huma's home computers (to/from Hillary) were all duplicates found on Hillary's server too (backing up Hillary's assertion that no "work related" emails were destroyed).

ttwtt78640 · May 3, 2017

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Mr Person said:
You're changing the subject. Nothing I said relied on or had anything to do with Clinton's defense. I don't care about Clinton's defense.

I hate having to summarize what words were typed, but here I just have to go again because this constantly happens on DP:

1. I was talking about what COMEY said as it related to Jack Hays's seeming belief that the new information would "change the narrative."

2. You called my statement based on his quotes "pure BS." (And tried to lecture me on the roles of prosecutors and law enforcement officers, apparently not understanding that prosecutors are not bound by a law enforcement officer's decision to recommend charges or not (or, in state cases, to themselves bring charges that a prosecutor must then choose to pursue or dismiss/nolle prosse. But that was also changing the subject).

3. I provided a link quoting Comey and proving that your characterization of my statement was itself the dishonest BS.

4. Use of the ">>" verifies all of this.

Annnnnd now you want to change the subject to whether or not I like Clinton's defense. I didn't say a damned word about Clinton.

OK, Comey is the supreme authority on the matter of law and thus his word is the law. Got it - gross negligence requires intent because Comey said so. No need for a judge or jury here because Comey said so.

Chillfolks · May 3, 2017

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bubbabgone said:
Maybe Huma asked Tony to add his own trademark greetings on the classified emails for Hillary. Maybe as a kind of emoji to alert her to specially important information.

Ha like Anthony in a suit means its not classified. Carlos Danger nude meant classified.

Mr Person · May 3, 2017

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ttwtt78640 said:
OK, Comey is the supreme authority on the matter of law and thus his word is the law. Got it - gross negligence requires intent because Comey said so. No need for a judge or jury here because Comey said so.

You do realize that anyone who hits ">>" a few times can see that you're lying out both corners of your asshole about what I said, right? Half of it is literally on this page.

:doh

You have employed a tactic I most often see when someone wants to look like they "won", except they usually wait until the thread is 8 pages down the road. Then, they assume - rightly so, in most cases - that nobody is going to pick through the thread to see whether or not they really are lying about what I said. If you're going to hit below the belt, you've got to obscure it from public view.

Jack Hays · May 3, 2017

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calamity said:
The narrative is that the Trump admin is up to its eyeballs in this Russian hacking conspiracy.

We shall see.

ttwtt78640 · May 3, 2017

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Mr Person said:
You do realize that anyone who hits ">>" a few times can see that you're lying out both corners of your asshole about what I said, right? Half of it is literally on this page.

:doh

We seem to be talking about two entirely different things - Comey's stated interpretation or understanding of the "true meaning" of law and the actual words of the law which define gross negligence (which does not require intent) as being a violation of it. Most of us accept being extremely careless as synonymous with having exhibited gross negligence.

Jack Hays · May 3, 2017

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JANFU said:
Evening Jack
I watched most of the testimony.
I see that both parties, for the most part trying to hang Comey.

If he has irritated both parties then he's probably on the right track.

hanger4 · May 3, 2017

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Mr Person said:
If you know more than the head of the FBI or any US Attorneys answering to/communicating with him, then please do go public. It'd be really bad if none of them knew what they were talking about.

I suspect, rather, that your post is misdirection.

Good, now that you've affirmed "gross negligence" requires intent, did HRC's email server accidentally set itself up or did HRC intentionally set it up to conduct State Dept business on ?? As you ponder that Google HRC's non disclosure agreement, which she was required to sign, and read it.

ttwtt78640 · May 3, 2017

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calamity said:
The narrative is that the Trump admin is up to its eyeballs in this Russian hacking conspiracy.

Yep, let the trial begin.

apdst · May 3, 2017

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Mr Person said:
He also said they needed to find evidence of knowing wrongdoing to sustain charges and didn't find any. I haven't dealt with any political corruption cases, state or fed, so I can't weigh in on that.

But unless the head of the FBI can be shown to not know the law, you guys really need to stop talking about Hillary Clinton's ****ing email server. It's beyond stupid at this point.

(It's amazing. They'll say talking about Trump's resistance to and Congress's heel-dragging regarding investigating possible Russian attempts to interfere in our election is just trying to "deflect" or change the subject. In the next breath, they'll start rambling on about the goddamn server, which was investigated. Repeatedly.)

She was reckless. She admitted it. The FBI investigated.

She lied under oath. She violated The Espionage Act.

Mr Person · May 3, 2017

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hanger4 said:
Good, now that you've affirmed "gross negligence" requires intent, did HRC's email server accidentally set itself up or did HRC intentionally set it up to conduct State Dept business on ?? As you ponder that Google HRC's non disclosure agreement, which she was required to sign, and read it.

Another person who does not seem interested in responding to the words I actually typed....

Let's review again....

Mr Person said:
He also said they needed to find evidence of knowing wrongdoing to sustain charges and didn't find any. I haven't dealt with any political corruption cases, state or fed, so I can't weigh in on that.

But unless the head of the FBI can be shown to not know the law, you guys really need to stop talking about Hillary Clinton's ****ing email server. It's beyond stupid at this point.

(It's amazing. They'll say talking about Trump's resistance to and Congress's heel-dragging regarding investigating possible Russian attempts to interfere in our election is just trying to "deflect" or change the subject. In the next breath, they'll start rambling on about the goddamn server, which was investigated. Repeatedly.)

She was reckless. She admitted it. The FBI investigated.

hanger4 said:
"gross negligence" doesn't require intent.

Mr Person said:
I already read an article on the subject of your OP. Hence this statement: "He also said they needed to find evidence of knowing wrongdoing to sustain charges and didn't find any." It was made specifically with reference to the forwarding. See below.

Try not to be wrong when you call someone else's statement "BS". It's the kind of mistake that can lead many DP posters to jump thread.

“Somehow, her emails were being forwarded to Anthony Weiner, including classified information,’’ Comey said, adding later, “His then-spouse Huma Abedin appears to have had a regular practice of forwarding emails to him for him to print out for her so she could deliver them to the secretary of state.” . . . “Really the central problem we had with the whole email investigation was proving people . . . had some sense they were doing something unlawful. That was our burden, and we were unable to meet it,’’ he said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...?utm_term=.3783e2e31e38&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

Please tell me you're not trying to claim that the forwarding of emails is somehow not part of the email investigation.

I also don't need a lecture on the difference between a prosecutor and a law enforcement officer. You do realize that prosecutors don't need the police to give them permission to seek to indict someone? The police can determine not to bring charges and the prosecutor can do it anyway. So, 3/10 on the try.

<hanger4's attempt to distract>

Mr Person said:
Please see the above.

If you know more than the head of the FBI or any US Attorneys answering to/communicating with him, then please do go public. It'd be really bad if none of them knew what they were talking about.

I suspect, rather, that your post is misdirection.

And to all that, you type:

hanger4 said:
Good, now that you've affirmed "gross negligence" requires intent, did HRC's email server accidentally set itself up or did HRC intentionally set it up to conduct State Dept business on ?? As you ponder that Google HRC's non disclosure agreement, which she was required to sign, and read it.

????

I suppose I should have expected that the dishonest defense of attempts to smear Clinton would be defended by lies about what people pointing out said smears actually said.

Mr Person · May 3, 2017

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apdst said:
She lied under oath. She violated The Espionage Act.

Then you, ttwwtt, and hanger should band together and get an Assistant United States Attorney to file charges. They don't need the FBI's permission to seek indictment.

Lying on DP isn't going to put Clinton in jail, y'know.

polgara · May 3, 2017

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Jack Hays said:
If he has irritated both parties then he's probably on the right track.

Good evening, Jack. :2wave:

I missed the testimony, but I read the complete transcript this evening - I agree with your post!! :lamo

apdst · May 3, 2017

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Mr Person said:
Then you, ttwwtt, and hanger should band together and get an Assistant United States Attorney to file charges. They don't need the FBI's permission to seek indictment.

Lying on DP isn't going to put Clinton in jail, y'know.

The only lies are the comments saying she didn't break the law.

eohrnberger · May 3, 2017

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Jack Hays said:
Hmmm. Previously it might have seemed as if the episodes were inadvertent. This makes it clear they were purposeful and deliberate.

Well, at least on Huma's part it was purposeful distribution of classified materials to someone who didn't have clearance to see it, read it, or have it, a serious felony I believe.

Erod said:
Democrats don't care about classified emails being forwarded to Weiner, but they really want to investigate wikileaks?

I know. Utterly flabbergasted at this level of hypocrisy.

Lutherf said:
It won't make a difference. Abedin, like Clinton, was deemed too ~~stupid~~ unsophisticated to have done anything like that intentionally. She simply didn't understand that forwarding classified emails to herself on another, unsecured account might be problematic.

Once again we see that there is one set of rules for the Clintons and another set of rules for everyone else. Whether or not Huma will be considered as operating under Clinton rules or the regular rules is a political calculation, and not a legal one. Don't elitists just really suck?

holbritter said:
That's because Bill and Loretta had a little chat.

Yeah, I'm sure that that little chat had a significant difference in the outcome, Comey first laying out all the unlawful things Hillary did, and then claim a new exception for Hillary, and just her, which is lack of intent. Doesn't apply to anyone else but her, but hey, she's an elite, you know, and deserve to get off, to escape justice, and all that.

hanger4 said:
"gross negligence" doesn't require intent.

Indeed. From what I recall, the onus on proper handing of classified materials is on the person sending it as all as receiving it, and requires no intent for mishandling.

Skeptic Bob said:
Yeah, she clearly violated the law. But Comey made the point nobody had been prosecuted in decades for that specific type of crime involving gross negligence. They sure as hell weren't going to start with Hillary.

Sort of like failing to register as a foreign agent. It is a crime but nobody has ever been prosecuted for it. And they sure aren't going to start with Flynn.

Indeed.

apdst said:
She lied under oath. She violated The Espionage Act.

Check me if I'm wrong, but neither of these requires intent to be criminally charged, right?

Jack Hays said:
If he has irritated both parties then he's probably on the right track.

Hmm. There's some truth to that, because I don't think there is an honest or truthful or person with integrity in the entirety of Washington DC.

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