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25 arrested in Portland May Day violence after protesters hurl bottles, Molotov cockt

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Skeptic Bob said:
I know this is a serious story and I hope the culprits are caught and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But given the recent Pepsi commercial hubbub, I found this part funny nonetheless:

I don't think that was the message Pepsi was going for. :)
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reinoe said:
I liked it better when they were being charged with felonious rioting.
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It's getting to the point where it should probably get upgraded to domestic terrorism.
 
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danarhea said:
That's exactly what the Nazis did.... Used articles about a few who did not represent the vast majority of those who disagreed with them to make the whole group out to be less than human. Well done, herr Fuhrer.
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Actually, the Nazis did what the antifa are doing. They were called Brown Shirts.
 
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eohrnberger said:
I'm really getting tired of these Soros funded rent-a-mobs rioters and their bad behavior.

Wouldn't break my heart to arrest them all for public nuisance, destruction of property, threatening law enforcement officers, assault ad battery, etc. every possible applicable charge for their actions. Cool their jets in the slammer for awhile. let them think about their actions.

I'm sure that I'm not the only one who's fed up with this crap.
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How has Soros escaped being extradited to Israel on WW2 war crimes? He said it was the best year of his life, helping the Nazis load Jews up on trains. I don't get it.
 
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Ikari said:
They do need to be arrested and jailed appropriately for their crimes. But we can't just kill them all, that's too much.
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Can't we just **** up the worst of 'em real bad? That's not too much. After all, maimin ain't killin.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
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I see you are letting your authoritarian nature show out in the open.
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Someone who throws a Molotov cocktail SHOULD be shot. If you were given a loaded gun...and then I was given a Molotov...would you hesitate in shooting my ass if I threatened to set you on fire?

I've had family in the burn unit. Medically induced coma for 6 weeks. He is scarred for life. He could have died, and not from just the burns, but infection. Which is not uncommon. ESPECIALLY if the burn unit in your area is not top notch.

So. Are you willing to recognize that throwing a Molotov is lethal force?


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Erod said:
25 arrested in Portland May Day violence after protesters hurl bottles, Molotov cocktails at police - ABC News
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Title seems to contradict the police account:

Anarchists committing acts of violence/property damage during #MayDayPDX march. Permitted group encouraged to separate from them.
— Portland Police (@PortlandPolice) May 1, 2017

It's the same idiots every time something like this happens, not the actual protestors.





Erod said:
It's about time to open fire and mow down these idiots. Less than human.
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Sounds like you would enjoy Stalinist Russia, Mr. Alleged "small government" Conservative Man.
 
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blackjack50 said:
Someone who throws a Molotov cocktail SHOULD be shot. If you were given a loaded gun...and then I was given a Molotov...would you hesitate in shooting my ass if I threatened to set you on fire?

I've had family in the burn unit. Medically induced coma for 6 weeks. He is scarred for life. He could have died, and not from just the burns, but infection. Which is not uncommon. ESPECIALLY if the burn unit in your area is not top notch.

So. Are you willing to recognize that throwing a Molotov is lethal force?

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So, mass murder the crowds?




Obamacare was evil socialism in your throat, but hey, mowing down a bunch of protestors because some criminal anarchist threw a molotov cocktail is cool. Wish I could say "unbelievable".
 
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reinoe said:
When Hillary Called Trump supporters irredeemable and deplorable the vast majority of liberals on this forum agreed and repeated the phrase. There's only one ideology on this forum that's resembles Nazism and would support a cult of personality type leader.
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And that ideology elected the current president, reinoe.
 
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Chomsky said:
Why is this 'fine'?
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Political reasons, of-course. It would seem Berkely is wising up though. At the last pro-Trump rally they had the police showed up en masse and ready for whatever ANTIFA threw their way but ANTIFA didn't show. Took them awhile, but the finally realized that the school and the students were being lumped in with these violent protestors
 
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Mr Person said:
So, mass murder the crowds?
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Did I say that?


Obamacare was evil socialism in your throat, but hey, mowing down a bunch of protestors because some criminal anarchist threw a molotov cocktail is cool. Wish I could say "unbelievable".
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Can you say standard left wing tactic or avoiding the actual issue to deny personal responsibility for the action? Let's as YOU this time.

If I was going to hit you with a Molotov cocktail...and you could shoot me to stop me? Would you?


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Phys251 said:
And that ideology elected the current president, reinoe.
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Re-asses Hillary's slogan...

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That's not a policy. That's textbook cult of personality agenda. Despite all the derision thrown at Trump's way for "Make America Great Again" at least it's a policy. Take off those blinders.
 
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blackjack50 said:
So. Are you willing to recognize that throwing a Molotov is lethal force?
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Maybe, but not in small sizes and in small quantities against a target wearing a shield, flame retardant clothing specifically designed to counter molotov cocktails, a face mask and a helmet.

In short, I would not support the police having blanket authority to use lethal force against each and every molotov cocktail thrower simply because they are throwing one.

Rather, molotov cocktails could warrant lethal force depending on the totality of the situation.
 
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reinoe said:
That's not a policy. That's textbook cult of personality agenda. Despite all the derision thrown at Trump's way for "Make America Great Again" at least it's a policy. Take off those blinders.
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I'll see your slogans and raise you the openly hateful behavior of Trump supporters during the election.



Not one single other candidate of either major political party incited behavior that was this bad. Not one. But you probably think it's justifiable, because reasons.
 
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blackjack50 said:
Did I say that?
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Yes. Anarchists with molotov cocktails intermingled with the protesters as they always do, probably because the police don't want to attack innocent civilians. In the context of bad guys mixed in with good guys, you said you'd shoot at people with molotov cocktails:

blackjack50 said:
Someone who throws a Molotov cocktail SHOULD be shot. If you were given a loaded gun...and then I was given a Molotov...would you hesitate in shooting my ass if I threatened to set you on fire?

I've had family in the burn unit. Medically induced coma for 6 weeks. He is scarred for life. He could have died, and not from just the burns, but infection. Which is not uncommon. ESPECIALLY if the burn unit in your area is not top notch.

So. Are you willing to recognize that throwing a Molotov is lethal force?
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That would entail shooting innocent people, too. Because, for the third time, the bad people were mixed in with the good people.






blackjack50 said:
Can you say standard left wing tactic or avoiding the actual issue to deny personal responsibility for the action? Let's as YOU this time. If I was going to hit you with a Molotov cocktail...and you could shoot me to stop me? Would you?
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There you go again, trying to change the subject.

The subject is anarchists mixed in with peaceful protestors, then caused trouble. The subject is not one person with a gun facing one person with a molotov cocktail with no one else around.

It is therefore irrelevant.

:shrug:
 
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Cryptic said:
Maybe, but not in small sizes and in small quantities against a target wearing a shield, flame retardant clothing specifically designed to counter molotov cocktails, a face mask and a helmet.

In short, I would not support the police having blanket authority to use lethal force against each and every molotov cocktail thrower simply because they are throwing one.

Rather, molotov cocktails could warrant lethal force depending on the totality of the situation.
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Here is the problem: the police are not the only ones there. And YOU wouldn't want to be in that clothing if you are hit. And there is STILL the risk of severe injury. Period. It isn't debatable that a Molotov is lethal force. Thus lethal force is justified. No question.

It is your moral and ethical duty to stop people throwing Molotov cocktails. It is also your moral and ethical duty to turn them in. They are no different than someone trying to detonate a bomb. They don't deserve protection. They don't deserve leniency. attempted murder is not something to be taken lightly...


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Mr Person said:
Yes. Anarchists with molotov cocktails intermingled with the protesters as they always do, probably because the police don't want to attack innocent civilians. In the context of bad guys mixed in with good guys, you said you'd shoot at people with molotov cocktails:



That would entail shooting innocent people, too. Because, for the third time, the bad people were mixed in with the good people.








There you go again, trying to change the subject.

The subject is anarchists mixed in with peaceful protestors, then caused trouble. The subject is not one person with a gun facing one person with a molotov cocktail with no one else around.

It is therefore irrelevant.

:shrug:
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So you would kill me. I'm going to take your avoidance of the question to mean that you don't want to answer the question as you know that the answer that I want you to give is the answer you have to give. At least if you're being honest.

What you are saying now is that attempted murder is justified because you are "mixed in with a small crowd." That's point I am making. And you seem to be ok with that.


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Would like to hear some secondary sources about what happened. The police aren't exactly known for unbiased reporting.

Also... doesn't anyone find it a bit unconstitutional that people have to be searched by police in order to gain entry to a protest?
 
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blackjack50 said:
Here is the problem: the police are not the only ones there. And YOU wouldn't want to be in that clothing if you are hit. And there is STILL the risk of severe injury. Period. It isn't debatable that a Molotov is lethal force. Thus lethal force is justified. No question.

It is your moral and ethical duty to stop people throwing Molotov cocktails. It is also your moral and ethical duty to turn them in. They are no different than someone trying to detonate a bomb. They don't deserve protection. They don't deserve leniency. attempted murder is not something to be taken lightly...
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Yes, somebody accurately throwing molotov cocktails at an un-equipped person can be stopped with lethal force. In this case, however, the targets were the police and they were equipped with protective gear. Thus lethal force would not automatically be justified.
 
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danarhea said:
That's exactly what the Nazis did.... Used articles about a few who did not represent the vast majority of those who disagreed with them to make the whole group out to be less than human. Well done, herr Fuhrer.
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And the thread is over...
 
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blackjack50 said:
So you would kill me. I'm going to take your avoidance of the question to mean that you don't want to answer the question as you know that the answer that I want you to give is the answer you have to give. At least if you're being honest. What you are saying now is that attempted murder is justified because you are "mixed in with a small crowd." That's point I am making. And you seem to be ok with that.
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Um, no, I didn't say any of those things. I simply pointed out that a situation where anarchists are mixed with peaceful protestors is completely different than what you were talking about.

Troll someone else.
 
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Fishking said:
How has Soros escaped being extradited to Israel on WW2 war crimes? He said it was the best year of his life, helping the Nazis load Jews up on trains. I don't get it.
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Yeah, that doesn't amke any sense to me either. How can it be that the Hungarian government / law enforcement is smarter than the US government / law enforcement?
Hungary Plans to Crack Down on All Soros-Funded NGOs - Bloomberg

Umm, after the last year of observing the FBI, umm, naah. Never mind. I withdraw my question.
 
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faithful_servant said:
I know that you can't seem to have an intelligent, respectful discussion, but for once, stop and READ. I was responding to the OP that suggested that they be shot. I responded with "they should be jailed." Too bad that your partisan hackery can't be set aside for one moment and some small part of your intellect actually engaged in an intelligent and productive discussion....
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"Partisan hackery", from the genius who keeps referring to 'liberal ANTIFA thugs'.
Brilliant.
 
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blackjack50 said:
Someone who throws a Molotov cocktail SHOULD be shot. If you were given a loaded gun...and then I was given a Molotov...would you hesitate in shooting my ass if I threatened to set you on fire?

I've had family in the burn unit. Medically induced coma for 6 weeks. He is scarred for life. He could have died, and not from just the burns, but infection. Which is not uncommon. ESPECIALLY if the burn unit in your area is not top notch.

So. Are you willing to recognize that throwing a Molotov is lethal force?


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blackjack50 said:
Here is the problem: the police are not the only ones there. And YOU wouldn't want to be in that clothing if you are hit. And there is STILL the risk of severe injury. Period. It isn't debatable that a Molotov is lethal force. Thus lethal force is justified. No question.

It is your moral and ethical duty to stop people throwing Molotov cocktails. It is also your moral and ethical duty to turn them in. They are no different than someone trying to detonate a bomb. They don't deserve protection. They don't deserve leniency. attempted murder is not something to be taken lightly...


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blackjack50 said:
So you would kill me. I'm going to take your avoidance of the question to mean that you don't want to answer the question as you know that the answer that I want you to give is the answer you have to give. At least if you're being honest.

What you are saying now is that attempted murder is justified because you are "mixed in with a small crowd." That's point I am making. And you seem to be ok with that.


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And yet conservatives have the gall to claim that they favor "limited government." So much for that.
 
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