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Biden Back in New Hampshire as Dems Already Eye 2020

I actually think Bernie would have a better shot. And they'll both be 78 in 2020.
 
Abbazorkzog said:
I actually think Bernie would have a better shot. And they'll both be 78 in 2020.
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The assertion that a non-demorat has the best shot at becoming the demorat POTUS nominee should be troubling sign for that party. The sad fact is that we now have two major political parties - one favoring a larger federal government and the other favoring a huge federal government.
 
ModerateGOP said:
Oh Booker is almost definitely running this time to dip his toe in. Looks like you guys need Oprah or George Clooney. Hopefully Trump just drops his bid.
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Dipping his toe, or not, I don't see Booker winning the national (or primary, either).

Crazy as it sounds, there was talk about Oprah last cycle, and who knows? I just saw a reality show star become president!

But I'm not so sure Trump is a shoe-in in 2020. He only scraped-by in 2016, and got in due to Dem voter ambivalence and false security. This time I believe the Dem base will be well motivated to turn-out. But the problem is: Turn-out for whom?

Anecdotally, I often run into Dems who express guilt, anger, and remorse, about their sitting the last election out by not voting. They really thought Hillary was in, and Trump was out. They know they blew it, and are highly motivated to rid the country of Trump. And everyday Trump seems to find ways to anger them even more.
 
reinoe said:
Who would have? The same people who begged Elizabeth Warren to run to stop Hillary? What about Jimmy Carter, the hyper-partisan conservative extremist had to say about Hillary in 2008...


There was a widespread #neverhillary Movement that had been going on in the background for years: not among the Republicans but among the Democrats. The difference between the #neverHillary and the #neverTrump is that the media and the DNC worked hard to polish the turd of Hillary but the negatives were always there. Just about anyone could have beaten Trump but the DNC establishment sacrificed their souls to push her agenda. That's why I could never vote for Biden or Sanders for that matter. They sacrificed everything they believed in for the sake of politics.

Biden has the particular shame of choosing Hillary over his own dead son's wishes. That's a particularly black mark on his character and shows just much the tentacles of political corruption extend. People like Biden need to be kicked out and must be stopped. If they would sacrifice their own children to the alter of the establishment then who knows what else they'll do.
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I think you are being unfair of a man personally who has suffered a lot of tragedy in his life. Regardless of how I feel about him politically, your approach lacks a hell of a lot of class.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Getting the Bernbie crowd is easy - just promise free stuff. The hard part is getting those that will be asked to pay for it. ;)
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I think that's a bit of a mis-characterization, but worth a chuckle none-the-less! :mrgreen:
 
OpportunityCost said:
I think you are being unfair of a man personally who has suffered a lot of tragedy in his life. Regardless of how I feel about him politically, your approach lacks a hell of a lot of class.
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The DNC's approach lacks a hell of a lot of class. Biden would rather do as he's told by the DNC establishment than listen to his family.
 
reinoe said:
The DNC's approach lacks a hell of a lot of class. Biden would rather do as he's told by the DNC establishment than listen to his family.
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That doesn't make your statement have any more stature. What you are doing is wrong. Let it alone.
 
ModerateGOP said:
At this moment Mark Zuckerberg is basically running a stealth campaign around the country and is privately meeting with many groups of people and is posting them on Facebook. Many have speculated that he is already testing the political waters plus he's been very political in recent years. That and being the fact that the only thing that prevents him from running for office is his full time job, which will give him leeway to run for office.

I mean this is a campaign if I ever saw one, and he isn't even selling a book: Biz Break: Zuckerberg may have helped build your next truck

Mark Zuckerberg is acting like he might run for president - LA Times
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Hey, now!

Thank's for bringing this to my attention. I think he could potentially be a very strong candidate!

Check this out (from your 2nd link):

"He also hired David Plouffe, President Obama's former campaign chair, to work for the philanthropic organization that Zuckerberg and his wife, Priscilla Chan, created."

So does he identify with either party? He'd be pretty strong as a Dem or even an Indie, I think. No idea if his social platform would fit the GOP, though.
 
OpportunityCost said:
That doesn't make your statement have any more stature. What you are doing is wrong. Let it alone.
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The truth is what matters and sometimes it's ugly. Biden should should never be president because he's got tainted priorities.
 
reinoe said:
The truth is what matters and sometimes it's ugly. Biden should should never be president because he's got tainted priorities.
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The truth is I don't think you know how it would feel to lose your son and how it would affect you. Let the man have some dignity and peace. You are wrong.
 
Chomsky said:
I think that's a bit of a mis-characterization, but worth a chuckle none-the-less! :mrgreen:
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What else does Bernie have to offer? After all, this is a guy who didn't have private sector career (unless you count doing odd jobs for a few years). Go to school (paid for by others) and get a government job (for life? also paid for by others) is not a viable career path for the majority of US citizens. The basic problem with socialism (democratic or otherwise) is that you depend on taxing your way to prosperity.
 
Chomsky said:
Hey, now!

Thank's for bringing this to my attention. I think he could potentially be a very strong candidate!

Check this out (from your 2nd link):

"He also hired David Plouffe, President Obama's former campaign chair, to work for the philanthropic organization that Zuckerberg and his wife, Priscilla Chan, created."

So does he identify with either party? He'd be pretty strong as a Dem or even an Indie, I think. No idea if his social platform would fit the GOP, though.
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likely not. many hardliners in the party hate him. He's elite, snobbish, educated, created a CIA based network to spy on all of us etc... I blame most of his polarizing characteristics on the social network movie though. He did a townhall event with Chris Christie, though. The moderates like him just fine, but likely his immigration stances will kick him over to your side. Though, he could go the Ross Perot route, he certainly has enough data to know how to win the election. :)
 
Skeptic Bob said:
I would prefer Biden not run in 2020. But I have to admit, I would love to see Biden and Trump debate. He sure as hell wouldn't sit there with a fake smile on his face like Hillary did. You could charge pay-per-view for a Trump/Biden debate.
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Biden is one of my favorite political debaters. He really digs in.
 
OpportunityCost said:
The truth is I don't think you know how it would feel to lose your son and how it would affect you. Let the man have some dignity and peace. You are wrong.
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If Biden wanted "dignity and peace" he wouldn't be floating stories about running for president in 2020. He can't have it both ways. He can either fade into the shadows or keep himself in the limelight. But he can't insert himself into public and then get protected from criticism. He had his chance and he chose not to run.
 
ModerateGOP said:
likely not. many hardliners in the party hate him. He's elite, snobbish, educated, created a CIA based network to spy on all of us etc... I blame most of his polarizing characteristics on the social network movie though. He did a townhall event with Chris Christie, though. The moderates like him just fine, but likely his immigration stances will kick him over to your side. Though, he could go the Ross Perot route, he certainly has enough data to know how to win the election. :)
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Thanks for the reply.

Yes, he not only has the data, but an independent communications platform! That's power, right there!

But this, I don't know: Does he identify with a party?
 
reinoe said:
If Biden wanted "dignity and peace" he wouldn't be floating stories about running for president in 2020. He can't have it both ways. He can either fade into the shadows or keep himself in the limelight. But he can't insert himself into public and then get protected from criticism. He had his chance and he chose not to run.
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I am no lefty, but you are trying to condemn his actions no matter what he does. YOU want it both ways. You want to condemn him for not running in 2016 and for possibly running in 2020.

He had his chance is just a facile argument. Its up to the democrats about whether he runs and the amount of support he gets.
 
reinoe said:
If Biden wanted "dignity and peace" he wouldn't be floating stories about running for president in 2020. He can't have it both ways. He can either fade into the shadows or keep himself in the limelight. But he can't insert himself into public and then get protected from criticism. He had his chance and he chose not to run.
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Stick a fork in him, he's done.
 
OpportunityCost said:
I am no lefty, but you are trying to condemn his actions no matter what he does. YOU want it both ways. You want to condemn him for not running in 2016 and for possibly running in 2020.

He had his chance is just a facile argument. Its up to the democrats about whether he runs and the amount of support he gets.
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Then look at this timeline...

A Timeline of Joe Biden's Conflicted Presidential Run That Wasn't

He's happy he didn't run when Hillary Clinton was a sure thing and then regrets not running after it becomes clear that Hillary is a weak candidate and then even moreso after she lost.

His desire to run is based entirely on his connection to Hillary. That's disgusting. He has no personal motivation to run NOW other than "it's my turn". That kind of philosophy doomed the DNC in 2016 and it will doom them again. His motivations are entirely political and have nothing to do with his desire to help America. At least Obama talked a good game with "HOPE & CHANGE". Biden is just duplicitous.
 
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reinoe said:
Then look at this timeline...

A Timeline of Joe Biden's Conflicted Presidential Run That Wasn't

He's happy he didn't run when Hillary Clinton was a sure thing and then regrets not running after it becomes clear that Hillary is a weak candidate and then even moreso after she lost.

His desire to run on not is based entirely on his connection to Hillary. That's disgusting. He has no personal motivation to run NOW other than "it's my turn". That kind of philosophy doomed the DNC in 2016 and it will doom them again. His motivations are entirely political and have nothing to do with his desire to help America. At least Obama talked a good game with "HOPE & CHANGE". Biden is just duplicitous.
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He was a good enough politician to game victim culture for profit and to make himself useful to power, but he never did America much good. The last years have been very sad though, and now he needs to go away.
 
Chomsky said:
Thanks for the reply.

Yes, he not only has the data, but an independent communications platform! That's power, right there!

But this, I don't know: Does he identify with a party?
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I think he most likely thinks political parties are outdated. If Trump has proven anything this election cycle it's that parties and platforms don't matter. Say enough crap about what you think the majority will agree with and you will win.
 
sanman said:
Joe Biden is seriously thinking about running against Trump in 2020:

Biden back to New Hampshire as Dems already eye 2020 - CNNPolitics.com



He's serious - the Dems want him to take back the Whitehouse and feel he could beat Trump. He feels he could have beaten Trump if he'd ran in 2016. He's too old, he's too out of it, and he already bowed out for Her Royal Majesty to run in 2016, so what's he got to justify another run?

Oh well, he's a better choice than Michelle Obama - but that's about it.
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I agree that he could have beaten Trump and probably by close to 10 points. But he withdrew as you stated in favor of Hillary whom was chosen prior to the 2012 election to be the Democratic nominee in 2016. I also agree that Biden is way too old for 2020. I think the ideal choice for the Democrats in 2020 would be a fresh face, some much younger and from what is known to the Democrats, as flyover country. Not the northeast ala, Hillary, Kerry, etc, or the west coast. But that land that lies in-between. Much like that one time senator from the state of Illinois.

Whom that might be, I don't know. Way too early. But Trump can and probably will be beaten in 2020 if the Democrats nominate a decent candidate, something they failed to do for 2016.
 
sanman said:
Joe Biden is seriously thinking about running against Trump in 2020:

Biden back to New Hampshire as Dems already eye 2020 - CNNPolitics.com



He's serious - the Dems want him to take back the Whitehouse and feel he could beat Trump. He feels he could have beaten Trump if he'd ran in 2016. He's too old, he's too out of it, and he already bowed out for Her Royal Majesty to run in 2016, so what's he got to justify another run?

Oh well, he's a better choice than Michelle Obama - but that's about it.
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Wonderful stuff.

Two of the biggest liars in a presidential runoff.

The hits just keep on coming. :lamo
 
sanman said:
Joe Biden is seriously thinking about running against Trump in 2020:

Biden back to New Hampshire as Dems already eye 2020 - CNNPolitics.com



He's serious - the Dems want him to take back the Whitehouse and feel he could beat Trump. He feels he could have beaten Trump if he'd ran in 2016. He's too old, he's too out of it, and he already bowed out for Her Royal Majesty to run in 2016, so what's he got to justify another run?

Oh well, he's a better choice than Michelle Obama - but that's about it.
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Bidens too old and dumb to be a legitmate candidate.
 
ModerateGOP said:
I'm 28 years old. I don't like all these old people telling me what to do. This was the oldest election in history. Clinton, 69. Trump 70. Bernie isn't the future at 75 and neither is Joe Biden at 74.
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The only reason to approve or disapprove a candidate based on their age is due to physical health. At 75 Bernie is arguably the most progressivist candidate out there.

I don't know what his schedule is like, but I doubt it's as strenuous as a President's (or at least a normal one that consists of more than watching the news all day in one's bathrobe and golfing every weekend).
 
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