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Trump signs executive order aimed at expanding drilling in Arctic, Atlantic oceans

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Enjoy it while it lasts. After Trump American politics is going to swing left and stay there for generations.


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we heard that same claim in 2007-8
 
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we heard that same claim in 2007-8

True, Americans sadly only have two political parties to choose from. We will continue to swing back and forth probably forever.
 
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Deranged statement. Environmentalists typically do what they can, in their walk in life, to conserve resources. What are you doing to conserve resources? Do you think it's a good idea to conserve oil, so that our future generations will have some, for not just fuel, but also intricate plastics used in machinery, medical procedures, and construction?

When I was in High School the propagandists in our press were publishing estimates that the oil would run out in about 5 years.

Now, about 40 years on, there's no end in sight. In truth, more and more oil is discovered and oil that was previously not reachable is now marketed.

Deranged? Why?

I also do what I can, but I also understand this fact of life:

Oil as a fuel is the bedrock, fundamental foundation of the world's current, historically highest standard of living for more people than ever in the history of the world.

Before the wide spread use of oil to power machines, the global population was less than a billion souls.

Now, we are pushing 8 billion and there are more people living with greater wealth than at any point in human history.

Alternative energies will rise because they will make more sense than oil, but that day is long away.
 
Re: Trump signs executive order aimed at expanding drilling in Arctic, Atlantic ocean

When I was in High School the propagandists in our press were publishing estimates that the oil would run out in about 5 years.

Now, about 40 years on, there's no end in sight. In truth, more and more oil is discovered and oil that was previously not reachable is now marketed.

Deranged? Why?

I also do what I can, but I also understand this fact of life:

Oil as a fuel is the bedrock, fundamental foundation of the world's current, historically highest standard of living for more people than ever in the history of the world.

Before the wide spread use of oil to power machines, the global population was less than a billion souls.

Now, we are pushing 8 billion and there are more people living with greater wealth than at any point in human history.

Alternative energies will rise because they will make more sense than oil, but that day is long away.
Oil is a finite resource. Can we agree on that? I don't know who you were reading that said 5 years of reserves. Doesn't sound like a legit source. That said, there have been additional discoveries of oil, that are prolonging the inevitable. Everything you said about the value of oil is absolutely true, which is all the more reason, that once the decline in reserves starts, it will be devastating for the world. And you seem to agree that we should conserve oil, as much as we can. So it sounds like we're in agreement on most of this. The only disagreement I had was that you mentioned something about Liberals total abstention from oil. Personally, I am far left of Democrats (Environmentally). I have a wind turbine and solar panels for electricity, and my heating and cooling of my home is provided by passive solar and earth-berming respectively. For 30 years, prior to retirement, I commuted to work by bicycle, year-round. So I was/am about as oil-free as anybody, but I still use oil. That's why I said your statement was "deranged".
 
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Oil is a finite resource. Can we agree on that? I don't know who you were reading that said 5 years of reserves. Doesn't sound like a legit source. That said, there have been additional discoveries of oil, that are prolonging the inevitable. Everything you said about the value of oil is absolutely true, which is all the more reason, that once the decline in reserves starts, it will be devastating for the world. And you seem to agree that we should conserve oil, as much as we can. So it sounds like we're in agreement on most of this. The only disagreement I had was that you mentioned something about Liberals total abstention from oil. Personally, I am far left of Democrats (Environmentally). I have a wind turbine and solar panels for electricity, and my heating and cooling of my home is provided by passive solar and earth-berming respectively. For 30 years, prior to retirement, I commuted to work by bicycle, year-round. So I was/am about as oil-free as anybody, but I still use oil. That's why I said your statement was "deranged".

While oil is very probably a finite resource, we are far from the bottom of the Earth's oil barrel.

Your post exhibits the multi-demensional approach to energy with a nod to the value of oil with an acknowledgement of the possibilities presented by other technologies.

That said, there were a number of points surrounding the one you plucked out of my post. I'm always frustrated by this practice.

The 5 year supply in 1970 was from a very unreliable source: American Media.

It was based on the 5 year plans presented by the oil companies in their business plans. Like almost everything published in our media, this demonstrates more about the publisher's ignorance or their agendas than the topic they are writing about.

Candles were replaced by whale oil was replaced by kerosene was replaced by the electric grid is being replaced by solar.

Candle light was replaced by lantern light was replaced by incandescents was replaced by LED's.

Fossil fuels will be replaced and it will occur because it will make sense to change over to the successor fuels.

In your case, it made sense for you to change today. Otherwise, you would not have changed. Everyone will travel that same path of logic at the time it makes sense for them to do so.

Right now, the Greenies that I was talking about are trying to end the reliable and adaptable energy fuel for the dream land in which they live.

THAT was the point of the sentence that you thought was deranged.
 
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Enjoy it while it lasts. After Trump American politics is going to swing left and stay there for generations.


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How long have you all been predicting that? American politics did swing left, in 2007. Where is it, now? How did that work out for ya?
 
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How long have you all been predicting that? American politics did swing left, in 2007. Where is it, now? How did that work out for ya?

That wasn't very left. Obama was a moderate, way too far to the right for success. I'm talking Ralph Nader left.
 
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Rule by executive order is nothing but a fascist dictatorship

he is simply undoing another EO that was issued by Obama.
pretty simple.

Presidents are allowed to do that.

What presidents aren't allowed to do is what Obama tried and that is create laws by EO.
 
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That wasn't very left. Obama was a moderate, way too far to the right for success. I'm talking Ralph Nader left.

It was Left enough for people to say **** that ****. The Democrats dodn't get bitch slapped at the voting booth because weren't Liberal enough
 
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It was Left enough for people to say **** that ****. The Democrats dodn't get bitch slapped at the voting booth because weren't Liberal enough

Actually data shows if the Democrats would've came left for progressives they would've won the General Election.

The Democratic party is as corrupt as the Republican party. That's the problem. They are too corrupt to represent the people. For example, if the Democrats had given us single-payer healthcare instead of a right wing healthcare plan, the ACA, is a right-wing healthcare plan, apdst. If it was proposed under a Republican president, you would be defending it, not attacking it. If the Dems would've given us socialized medicine, a very left policy, I think they could've ridden the popularity of single-payer out and the Tea Party people would've went home sucking their thumbs.

This is the swing left I'm talking about. Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the country. He's also the most liberal Senator in the country. There's a left tsunami coming. And Donald Trump being an utterly incompetent and offensive person is helping the liberals you hate.
 
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Actually data shows if the Democrats would've came left for progressives they would've won the General Election.

The Democratic party is as corrupt as the Republican party. That's the problem. They are too corrupt to represent the people. For example, if the Democrats had given us single-payer healthcare instead of a right wing healthcare plan, the ACA, is a right-wing healthcare plan, apdst. If it was proposed under a Republican president, you would be defending it, not attacking it. If the Dems would've given us socialized medicine, a very left policy, I think they could've ridden the popularity of single-payer out and the Tea Party people would've went home sucking their thumbs.

This is the swing left I'm talking about. Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in the country. He's also the most liberal Senator in the country. There's a left tsunami coming. And Donald Trump being an utterly incompetent and offensive person is helping the liberals you hate.

Yeah! The Republicans kicked their asses...because people wanted more Liberalism. Ok...:lamo
 
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Yeah! The Republicans kicked their asses...because people wanted more Liberalism. Ok...:lamo

The people did want left wing policy. But, the Democrats don't offer left wing policy. If they put their pinky toes farther right, they'll be Republicans.
 
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Is there any reason why you think it's a good idea other than that Trump does?

More resources, more revenue, more jobs.
 
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The people did want left wing policy. But, the Democrats don't offer left wing policy. If they put their pinky toes farther right, they'll be Republicans.

So, they replaced 1,000 Democrats with Republicans? :lamo

Stop making me laugh so hard!
 
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It was Left enough for people to say **** that ****. The Democrats dodn't get bitch slapped at the voting booth because weren't Liberal enough

Indeed. If you look, Obama has led the Democrats to record losses.

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Stunning Graph Shows the Wrecking Ball Obama Has Taken to the Democrat Party

And now the left is wailing for Obama to come back? Didn't do enough damage the first time around?
 
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So, they replaced 1,000 Democrats with Republicans? :lamo

Stop making me laugh so hard!

You don't understand.

The Democrats aren't left wing. The people want left wing policy. If the Democrats move left, they will energize their base and crush Republicans. Stop being obtuse.

The Democrats are paid to lose. They take the same money that the Republicans make. Money that influences decisions that run contrary to the people's interests.

Bernie Sanders would've crushed your pathetic excuse for a politician Donald ****tard Trump because he doesn't take that money, and actually represents people's left wing positions.
 
Re: Trump signs executive order aimed at expanding drilling in Arctic, Atlantic ocean

he is simply undoing another EO that was issued by Obama.
pretty simple.

Presidents are allowed to do that.

What presidents aren't allowed to do is what Obama tried and that is create laws by EO.

You can't create laws by executive orders need a Civics 101 class or at the very least you need to be honest
 
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You don't understand.

The Democrats aren't left wing. The people want left wing policy. If the Democrats move left, they will energize their base and crush Republicans. Stop being obtuse.

The Democrats are paid to lose. They take the same money that the Republicans make. Money that influences decisions that run contrary to the people's interests.

Bernie Sanders would've crushed your pathetic excuse for a politician Donald ****tard Trump because he doesn't take that money, and actually represents people's left wing positions.

Sanders is a ****ing joke. He would have lost is ass in the general election.
 
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Sanders is a ****ing joke. He would have lost is ass in the general election.

nah..
 
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Sanders is the most popular senator according to his district. Not the most popular senator in the country.

He's a joke, just like the Liberals.
 
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