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Judge blocks trump order on sanctuary city funding

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[FONT=&quot]SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- A federal judge on Tuesday blocked a Trump administration order to withhold funding from communities that limit cooperation with U.S. immigration authorities, saying the president has no authority to attach new conditions to federal spending.
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[FONT=&quot]U.S. District Judge William Orrick issued the temporary ruling in a lawsuit against the executive order targeting so-called sanctuary cities. The decision will stay in place while the lawsuit works its way through court

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Another Obama appointed Judge tampering with Trump administration moves....And surprise, he's within the 9th Circuit....:roll:
 
A federal judge in San Francisco........LOL

Meanwhile, a referee addicted to gambling made some questionable calls in last night's NBA game.

And Jerry Sandusky is not in favor of strong pedophilia laws.
 
Tired of winning yet?
 
Another Obama appointed Judge tampering with Trump administration moves....And surprise, he's within the 9th Circuit....:roll:

That one will get overturned.

The Executive Branch has the power to determine the use of the funds in the Discretionary Spending category, and that's the money the Administration is talking about cutting. Also, regarding the other moneys that are earmarked for certain projects or are specifically appropriated for a specific type project (like highway funds, school funds, public safety funds, etc.), in every single law passed that gives funding to state or local governments, or to private entities, there is a mandatory clause inserted requiring that for the grantee to be eligible, they must be in compliance with all federal regulations and laws. States and or local governments knowingly and willingly giving aid and comfort to illegal aliens in contradiction to federal law, regulation, and lawfully issued detainers, are by that action made ineligible for federal funds. The argument being used, that state and local law enforcement cannot be forced to enforce federal law, is wrong on it's face because all that has to happen is for the feds to deputize the state or locals. Secondly, the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution makes the actions of the state and local governments Un-Constitutional.

This will not survive a SCOTUS review.
 
That one will get overturned.

The Executive Branch has the power to determine the use of the funds in the Discretionary Spending category, and that's the money the Administration is talking about cutting. Also, regarding the other moneys that are earmarked for certain projects or are specifically appropriated for a specific type project (like highway funds, school funds, public safety funds, etc.), in every single law passed that gives funding to state or local governments, or to private entities, there is a mandatory clause inserted requiring that for the grantee to be eligible, they must be in compliance with all federal regulations and laws. States and or local governments knowingly and willingly giving aid and comfort to illegal aliens in contradiction to federal law, regulation, and lawfully issued detainers, are by that action made ineligible for federal funds. The argument being used, that state and local law enforcement cannot be forced to enforce federal law, is wrong on it's face because all that has to happen is for the feds to deputize the state or locals. Secondly, the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution makes the actions of the state and local governments Un-Constitutional.

This will not survive a SCOTUS review.

You are assuming the law matters anymore. The Constitution is apparently living, everything is flexible. Laws and rights mean whatever you want them to mean, it all depends on interpretation. In fact, that's life, morals, ethics, your body parts... it's all subjective and up to the interpreter... nothing matters, unless you think it matters, but then it doesn't matter if someone else thinks it doesn't matter.
Hop aboard the leftist nihilistic train, it's such a subjectively great time!
 
Another Obama appointed Judge tampering with Trump administration moves....And surprise, he's within the 9th Circuit....:roll:

You know when Bill Clinton was elected, he immediately fired all the federal judges except for I think 3 or 4 or so and replaced them all. I raised my eyebrows at that but offered no serious criticism because he was the duly elected President and that was completely within his legal prerogative to do.

Why hasn't Trump replaced the federal judges on the 9th Circuit?
 
This stands about as much of a chance holding up in front a conservative supreme court as Hellen Keller finding Waldo .

Legitimate question: What are the consequences (other than a lot of wailing) of the president ignoring a court ruling?

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Cute post. Do you honestly believe this is the end and this judges ruling will stand? Seriously? Do you believe that?

I can see it both ways. Your post in #4 hits some important details.

The national supremacy clause is applicable here.

I can see how local and state police have discretion to enforce federal laws as well. Local and state cops, for example, don't arrest people for simple marijuana possession in CO. Even though, federal law places MJ as a Schedule 1 controlled substance. Can they then make a public health argument that concludes to withhold federal Medicaid funding, if CO fails to enforce MJ laws?

Either way, Jerry Brown has pledged to fight Trump the entire way and I look forward to the fireworks.

Trump can probably withhold funds for sanctuary cities, and that would be a battle I would pick, if I were Trump. Leave the Wall and Muslim ban alone, and go after sanctuary cities. He'll get more Americans on his side by fighting the sanctuary city battle, IMO.
 
I hate our judiciary. It's time for mass impeachments. It's a total joke.
 
Flynn: Nope. Muslim travel ban: Nope. Obamacare repeal: Nope. Wall funding: Nope. Crackdown on sanctuary cities: Nope

It's hard to take all this winning.

btw - Almost 100 days in and no Deputy Secretary of State/Defense even nominated much less confirmed. For 470 of 556 key positions that require Senate confirmation, Trump has yet to announce a nominee at all.
 
Flynn: Nope. Muslim travel ban: Nope. Obamacare repeal: Nope. Wall funding: Nope. Crackdown on sanctuary cities: Nope

It's hard to take all this winning.

btw - Almost 100 days in and no Deputy Secretary of State/Defense even nominated much less confirmed. For 470 of 556 key positions that require Senate confirmation, Trump has yet to announce a nominee at all.

Progressives setting themselves up for a tyrant, and would do well to remember which side has all of the guns.
 
Another Obama appointed Judge tampering with Trump administration moves....And surprise, he's within the 9th Circuit....:roll:

he has no authority to do this. he doesn't control the purse strings.
yet another judge that overstepped his judicial authority.
 
You know when Bill Clinton was elected, he immediately fired all the federal judges except for I think 3 or 4 or so and replaced them all. I raised my eyebrows at that but offered no serious criticism because he was the duly elected President and that was completely within his legal prerogative to do.

Why hasn't Trump replaced the federal judges on the 9th Circuit?

The President can't fire judges. Clinton fired attorneys.
 
Yep, EOs can only do what certain judges like - look it up. ;)
 
You know when Bill Clinton was elected, he immediately fired all the federal judges except for I think 3 or 4 or so and replaced them all. I raised my eyebrows at that but offered no serious criticism because he was the duly elected President and that was completely within his legal prerogative to do.

Why hasn't Trump replaced the federal judges on the 9th Circuit?

*Facepalm *

No, Clinton didn't do that. No, Trump can't do that.

Wow. Just... WOW!
 
Tired of resist, resist, resist yet? I am.

I'm not a big #resist person. I never attended the marches or anything.

I am more involved with Wolf-PAC. As well as running grassroots progressives to primary incumbent Democrats.
 
This "judge" has no business sitting on any bench much less a State Supreme Court, my gawd, what an awful interpretation of well established federal law..

Tim-
 
This "judge" has no business sitting on any bench much less a State Supreme Court, my gawd, what an awful interpretation of well established federal law..

Tim-

evidently judges are no longer required to follow law. they can make their own law up as they go.
this is why the judicial should never be the last word on anything.

judges are no longer blind to law they interject their own ideology into their rulings.
 
The President can't fire judges. Clinton fired attorneys.

Oh dang, you're right. Federal judges are confirmed by the Senate and must be impeached by the Senate to be removed. Okay, back to the drawing board on that one.
 
Tired of winning yet?

Winning? You mean playing with Obama's shadow-govt of flunky appointees? All he's done is destroy the credibility of 9th-circuit. The Supreme Court will put an end to their games.
 
I have no problem with local governments refusing to use local resources to enforce federal laws. Likewise, the federal government should have the right to withhold federal funds. I have said that numerous times here. But I really don't understand the legal reasoning behind this ruling. While I take joy in most things that make the job more difficult for Trump, I don't see how this ruling has legal legs. Surely it will be overturned.
 
I have no problem with local governments refusing to use local resources to enforce federal laws. Likewise, the federal government should have the right to withhold federal funds. I have said that numerous times here. But I really don't understand the legal reasoning behind this ruling. While I take joy in most things that make the job more difficult for Trump, I don't see how this ruling has legal legs. Surely it will be overturned.

I wonder if the big guy's heard the news.. lol.
 
I can see it both ways. Your post in #4 hits some important details.

The national supremacy clause is applicable here.
I think it does, but what matters is what the SCOTUS will think.

I can see how local and state police have discretion to enforce federal laws as well.
Law enforcement officials do not have discretion regarding whether or not to enforce a law.
Local and state cops, for example, don't arrest people for simple marijuana possession in CO.
That's a great point, and the question over state versus federal law regarding MJ is winding its way through the court system right now. So, we really don't know how that one's going to turn out. One thing that makes these two cases different, is that the DEA (an Executive Branch Agency) is the one that classified Marijuana (or more accurately Tetrahydrocannabinol-THC) as a Schedule I substance (The Controlled Substances Act (CSA) Title II of the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 gives the DEA that authority) and the case in this thread is regarding a law and requirements passed by the Congress, and not a regulation implemented by the Executive Branch - hence the Supremacy Clause problem I mentioned.
Even though, federal law places MJ as a Schedule 1 controlled substance. Can they then make a public health argument that concludes to withhold federal Medicaid funding, if CO fails to enforce MJ laws?
Like I said above, the listing of MJ as a Schedule I drug is an executive action and not a law passed by Congress. To the guy getting arrested by the feds for MJ charges, it makes no difference, but to the courts and the lawyers, it most definitely does.

Either way, Jerry Brown has pledged to fight Trump the entire way and I look forward to the fireworks.
Brown is going to fight Trump over everything. That's just California and west coast politics at play. I agree that it will be a show to watch.

Trump can probably withhold funds for sanctuary cities, and that would be a battle I would pick, if I were Trump. Leave the Wall and Muslim ban alone, and go after sanctuary cities. He'll get more Americans on his side by fighting the sanctuary city battle, IMO.
This is a matter or right versus wrong, not right versus left. The law is what the law is. If some folks want to change the law, then they have to get enough people to agree with them to the point that they can get a majority in Congress to vote for that change. Until then, the law is the law.

As for borders, without them, we aren't a nation. We'd just be a territory, a lawless territory.

We can't have federal government funded social programs if we are not going to restrict them to US citizens only, and right now that isn't happening. It's supposed to be happening, but it isn't. One example is that hospitals are getting federal funding to cover the costs associated with illegal aliens that show up in the ER needing medical attention. The same goes for schools - public schools are getting federal funding that help cover the costs of illegal alien children to be educated, get free lunches, and so on, in our public school systems.

Those of us that actually pay federal taxes, can't afford that for long, and we dang sure shouldn't be expected to pay federal taxes to cover the costs associated with non-citizens, other than the cost of deportation. Either that, or change the law.
 
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