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France elections: Macron-Le Pen through to run-off, projections say

I am wishing for a le pen win, just for the sole enjoyment of watching the never trumpers and the never brexiters reactions.

In actuality though, she has an energized movement, while macron is more popular his backers are not very enthusiastic. This is somewhat similiar to the hillary/ trump race, where peoples fears are not how well polls worked, but rather how voter turnout would be, and with heavy youth unemployment in france, and macron promising the same as the current unpopular president, a surprise victory is well within the realm of possibility, so to all yall in france and europe, if you do not want le pen, end your hubris and focus on winning, or else your guy will end up like hillary, so sure of victory that no one saw defeat until it sucker punched her.
 
PeteEU said:
Ahh more right wing authoritarian bs. Nevermind, cant discuss democracy with someone who clearly does not believe in it. Trump lost the popular vote and had he been in France, he would have lost the election. Le Pen will have to find 25+% new voters to win, and that aint gonna happen, since the difference historically around the country in these elections, has been that the "rest" band together to prevent FN winning... for the most part.
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Lol yeah, Hillary didn't win the popular vote. You don't go from a landslide loss by a million votes at the time of the win, and then magically increase to a landslide popular vote win. That's just not realistic. Hillary clearly conducted a massive after-election campaign, got a bunch of people not eligible to vote and used every trick to get them a vote. The fact that the vast bulk of that "win" came nearly exclusively from California, the most easily defrauded voting system in the states demonstrates rather aptly that she defrauded the system out of anger at having lost. She intended to cast doubt on Trump's win, and steal from him the win. The fact that you all cannot stop and question for a moment how in the world she pulled off such a massive popular vote victory after such a massive electoral defeat just demonstrates that you all on the left have forgone your willingness to think critically about your own candidates. And that is dangerous.

And before you start saying you can't cast votes after election day, based on whom? We saw videos of poll-workers stuffing ballot boxes. We see people out there right now trying to send Trump supporters to the hospital, bringing fireworks capable of taking off fingers and throwing them at Trump supporters, and police somehow not doing anything about it, somehow can be convinced to turn a blind-eye. You think with that kind of mentality that it would be hard to convince anti-Trump people to stuff new ballots into boxes that haven't yet been counted? Remember, the system only holds as much integrity as the people overseeing it.
 
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Crask said:
Lol yeah, Hillary didn't win the popular vote. You don't go from a landslide loss by a million votes at the time of the win, and then magically increase to a landslide popular vote win. That's just not realistic. Hillary clearly conducted a massive after-election campaign, got a bunch of people not eligible to vote and used every trick to get them a vote. The fact that the vast bulk of that "win" came nearly exclusively from California, the most easily defrauded voting system in the states demonstrates rather aptly that she defrauded the system out of anger at having lost. She intended to cast doubt on Trump's win, and steal from him the win. The fact that you all cannot stop for a moment and question for a moment how in the world she pulled off such a massive popular vote victory after such a massive electoral defeat just demonstrates that you all on the left have forgone your willingness to think critically about your own candidates. And that is dangerous.
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You know California is a very large Democrat leaning state that would finish counting last right?
 
Anagram said:
France elections: Macron-Le Pen though to run-off, projections say - BBC News



Polls show Macron up more than 25% in the runoff. Will be really interesting to see what happens in the parliamentary elections. Presidents usually get a majority to work with, but Macron's En Marche! May have a hard time doing so.
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I like your signature line. Instant runoffs. Here in Georgia if a candidate doesn't receive 50% plus one there is a runoff between the top two. The runoffs were held three weeks after the general election. That is until a federal judge stepped in and said that wasn't enough time for the two candidates to campaign. Now the runoff takes place two months after the election. Like in Congressional District six down here.
 
Master PO said:
iam not concerned with structure of the french electoral system, that is not my point.

the EC worked as it was supposed to, it shielded the electors from bias, the founders did not want a democratic vote for president of the people, because they reject such a notion at the constitutional convention.

democratic forms of government are unstable and the founders rejected that form of government
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And yet for all that bluster you just spoke of, the American electoral system possibly elected the most mentally unstable president in the history of the Republic in 2016.
 
Jetboogieman said:
And yet for all that bluster you just spoke of, the American electoral system possibly elected the most mentally unstable president in the history of the Republic in 2016.
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the EC DID WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO, SHEILD THE ELECTORS FROM BIAS [COLLECTIVISM AND FACTION]
 
Rogue Valley said:
Far-right pro-Putin Le Pen would be a disaster for France, Europe, and NATO.
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You mean make France even worse off that it is currently ? Thats a scary thought indeed

How do you think Le Pen got so popular in the first place ?

A Macron win will only bolster and grow the populist movement. Ive always said the fastest way to grow the Conservative base is to inflict on to as many people as possible the consequences of the Liberal agends
 
Fenton said:
You mean make France even worse off that it is currently ? Thats a scary thought indeed

How do you think Le Pen got so popular in the first place ?

A Macron win will only bolster and grow the populist movement. Ive always said the fastest way to grow the Conservative base is to inflict on to as many people as possible the consequences of the Liberal agends
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Have you seen Le Pen's economic platform, she wants top drastically cut taxes and increase social spending. Macron is the only wants who wants to see business reform and fiscal responsibility. France's economy is almost entirely reliant of the EU, France would be crazy to leave it.
 
Carjosse said:
Have you seen Le Pen's economic platform, she wants top drastically cut taxes and increase social spending. Macron is the only wants who wants to see business reform and fiscal responsibility. France's economy is almost entirely reliant of the EU, France would be crazy to leave it.
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Actually france is only reliant on the eu because the eu was what crippled it. Prior to the unified currency, the franc was worth less than the mark, This meant french had an advantage on domestic production on the cheaper products, since the franc was less value, they could sell for less than germany, while germany made higher quality stuff but their currency made their products more expensive.

With the unified currency, lower quality french products cost the same as higher quality german products, so germany basically ate france's lunch and asked for seconds, since adopting the euro took away the entire appeal of french made products. Prior to them adopting the euro, I remember here in Murica seeing french knives, tools, etc being sold in the us, and they were often cheaper and lower quality than american and german, but better quality than chinese and other countries, and their prices matched, they were the happy medium.
 
slick said:
Macron is the one who married his high school teacher who 24 years his senior. Kind of strange.
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So what? It's not strange at all.
 
PeteEU said:
Again, Trump lost the popular vote, which is how the French system works. That Trump stole an election (by democratic standards) because of an outdated electoral system is another matter.
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Trump didn't steal anything. Everyone knew the rules going in. Stop with this stupid idea.
 
Jetboogieman said:
The fact that a lunch of French white folk are terrified of brown folk?
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Perhaps its a little more complicated than that. But I wouldn't expect you to understand the complexity of the issue so you have to break it down to kindergarten levels.
 
Anagram said:
Les Republicans' Fillon and Socialists' Harmon have endorsed Macron.
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When the Conservative and the Socialist endorse the Independent that may at first glance say something but not really. Macron has a long history in French government. He once was a member of the Socialist Party (PS) from 2006 to 2009, Macron was appointed as deputy secretary-general under François Hollande's first government in 2012. He was appointed Minister of Economy, Industry and Digital Affairs in 2014 under the Second Valls Government. Those who own industries in France have been making an Exodus out of France or have been selling their companies to foreigners, like China because it was no longer feasible to continue to do business in that country with all the regulations (hidden taxes) and corporate taxes. France is in a friggin mess economically. In fact they play nice with several countries who do not respect the U.S.. Iran, Russia, China etc.
Their socialist lean for years has left them very weak economically so now they will lay with any whore for a buck.

Also with this Socialist lean this acceptance of refugees etc from Muslim countries has found themselves shaving away of their own sovereignty to accommodate these people where in turn they turn on the government and a fraction of them have been able to accomplish many terrorist attacks against France.

Today both who won the first round had nothing to do with the mainstream of government parties. That tells me Frenchmen/woman are seeking a new solution to many problems.
 
PeteEU said:
Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million votes.
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A new Washington Post-ABC News poll confirms, he'd even do better against Clinton
today than he did on Nov.7th

Just 4 percent of Trump's supporters say they would back someone else if there was a redo
of the election, fully 15 percent of Clinton supporters say they would ditch her. Trump leads
in a re-do of the 2016 election 43 percent to 40 percent after losing the popular vote 46-44.

62 percent of his supporters say he has been better than expected, with one-third (33 percent)
saying he has been “much better.”
 
Jetboogieman said:
The fact that a lunch of French white folk are terrified of brown folk?
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Lol....and thats also what happened to the Democratic party in the States over the last 8 years.

Mean ole' racist white people, amiright ? I think I prefer people like you living in a alternate reality.
Ignoring the fact the fact that Liberal policies wherever they're implemented come with real consequences.
Consequences that lead to people like Le-Pen gaining influence and power.
 
Jetboogieman said:
The fact that a lunch of French white folk are terrified of brown folk?
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How does it become that easy? Racism is all you got? Race has 0 to do with this election, just like lunch.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Le Pen would go for an Exit referendum if she could, Macron is pro EU.

The only people who really think the EU is doomed are from the Anglosphere. Most Europeans are very pro the idea and will make sacrifices to make it work.

As for the final run-off, there's no certainty but with the two defeated candidates throwing in behind Macron, it will be hard for Le Pen to win. She has tried to soften the tone of Front Nationale but it's too early for them to take the Presidency.
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You make a key point. She isn't going away if she loses THIS time. She will gain valuable exposure for the next race and be able to capitalize on any terrorist acts.

As an analogy, DEMs can't win a deep red southern state congressional district in one race. However, they must compete and close the gap .
 
Anagram said:
Clinton's largest lead was 6% in the last two weeks. Macron's lowest is over 20%. And for what it's worth the polls nailed the first round.
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Nob. 8 was the latest date an election could be, giving certain factors extra time to kick in.

Terrorist events in France could have given her enough votes to finish top two.

Imagine if GOPs would have had a top two jungle primary if their 17 candidates, like GA-6 .
 
slick said:
Since (supposedly former) socialist, Macron has Obama's endorsement,
all he he needs to win is advice from Hillary and Kerry on winning elections.
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Why are trump's mouthpieces lying about trump not supporting her ?
 
PeteEU said:
Ahh more right wing authoritarian bs. Nevermind, cant discuss democracy with someone who clearly does not believe in it. Trump lost the popular vote and had he been in France, he would have lost the election. Le Pen will have to find 25+% new voters to win, and that aint gonna happen, since the difference historically around the country in these elections, has been that the "rest" band together to prevent FN winning... for the most part.
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Don't take anything for granted with the way the world is turning right now.

trump has discovered "his military" gives him a bump of a few points in approval ratings .
 
Perotista said:
I like your signature line. Instant runoffs. Here in Georgia if a candidate doesn't receive 50% plus one there is a runoff between the top two. The runoffs were held three weeks after the general election. That is until a federal judge stepped in and said that wasn't enough time for the two candidates to campaign. Now the runoff takes place two months after the election. Like in Congressional District six down here.
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For these special elections, the Top two 'general election' jungle primary, GA-6 on 4/18 and runoff on 6/20, is completely different from the top two 'party election' jungle primary, SC-5 on 5/2 with party primary runoffs if necessary on 5/16 and general election on 6/20.

Both techniques guarantee lower voter turnout, their goal. Fifty different sets of rules for the same federal official that affects the other 49 states makes s mockery of the 10th amendment .
 
NIMBY said:
Why are trump's mouthpieces lying about trump not supporting her ?
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Obviously you didn't understand the post!

{All he he needs to win is advice from Hillary and Kerry on winning elections}
Get it Hillary & Kerry are many things but winning isn't something on their resume's

Trump endorsement of Le Pen was subtle but an endorsement none the less. No lies on my part! .
 
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