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Today is Earth Day - Marches for Science worldwide

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April 22 was EarthDay. Enthusiastic rallies took place in the US, and around the world. My son participated in Chicago, where 40,000 people marched. Even rainy weather didn't seem to thwart the energetic turnouts.

March for Science protesters take to the streets to mark Earth Day - CBS News

Scientists, students and research advocates rallied from the Brandenburg Gate to the Washington Monument on Earth Day, conveying a global message of scientific freedom without political interference and spending necessary to make future breakthroughs possible.
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The marches also come at a time when Americans are increasingly pessimistic about the future of the planet. A CBS News poll found this week that just 12 percent of Americans believe the environment will improve for the next generation, while 57 percent said it will get worse.
 
Waiting for a photograph of a full trash can left behind from the march...
 
Cardinal said:
Waiting for a photograph of a full trash can left behind from the march...
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I don't get it. Is that some kind of a fetish? We can post pics of full trash cans if you want, make a thread.
 
ecofarm said:
I don't get it. Is that some kind of a fetish? We can post pics of full trash cans if you want, make a thread.
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Full of bottled water....water, exported from one ecosystem to another, in petroleum based containers...
 
KevinKohler said:
Full of bottled water....water, exported from one ecosystem to another, in petroleum based containers...
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So what; did someone tell you environmentalists don't have trash?
 
ecofarm said:
So what; did someone tell you environmentalists don't have trash?
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It's not the trash, it's the nature of the trash.


Kinda like the occupy wall street folks with their iPhones and apple laptops.

People tend to think of themselves as exceptions to a problem. Let me put it to you like this....have you ever been stuck in traffic? Did it occur to you that you were not, in fact, stuck in traffic...that you were the traffic? We tend to view our intersections with the group individually, when there are times when we need to let that go, and view ourself a are a part of the group.

So what has 40,000 pairs of feet trampling some street in Chicago actually done? What has it accomplished?
 
ecofarm said:
I don't get it. Is that some kind of a fetish? We can post pics of full trash cans if you want, make a thread.
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It's a trope. Every time there's a massive protest somebody invariably posts a picture of a full trashcan or a dropped Burger King wrapper as if that somehow invalidates the entire movement. Yes, it's very, very stupid.
 
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Cardinal said:
It's a trope. Every time there's a massive protest somebody invariably posts a picture of full trashcan or a dropped Burger King wrapper as if that somehow invalidates the entire movement. Yes, it's very, very stupid.
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Ok. I thought you were gonna do that.

I agree.
 
KevinKohler said:
So what has 40,000 pairs of feet trampling some street in Chicago actually done? What has it accomplished?
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It demonstrates that people care. Perhaps the 324 million US residents who didn't participate, may look upon them, and start saying, "I care too".
 
Media_Truth said:
It demonstrates that people care. Perhaps the 324 million US residents who didn't participate, may look upon them, and start saying, "I care too".
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Caring and achieving are two very different things.
 
KevinKohler said:
Caring and achieving are two very different things.
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I care and I'm in support. Here's my achievement:

SolarWind_CloseUp.JPG

Not to be smug, but to demonstrate that I do care, and I put my money where my mouth is...
 
ecofarm said:
I don't get it. Is that some kind of a fetish? We can post pics of full trash cans if you want, make a thread.
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I'm thinking of algore flying around the globe in his private jet

Polluting and collecting money to give speeches damanding the little people polluite less
 
Mac77 said:
You care so much you let other people pay for your windmill and solar panel.
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And you let others pay for the environmental cleanup of the industries you support.
 
Media_Truth said:
And you let others pay for the environmental cleanup of the industries you support.
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I pay for any cleanup real or imagined when I fill up at the pump or turn on a light through my electric bill.

Tree huggers otoh only do the "right" thing when they get a subsidy from the government that is taken from someone else
 
Mac77 said:
I pay for any cleanup real or imagined when I fill up at the pump or turn on a light through my electric bill.

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That's a real laugher. First of all, gas taxes don't even come close to paying for the roads you drive on. Secondly, I can post link after link of cleanup costs that the fossil fuel companies never paid for. Just look up Exxon-Valdez for one example. Thirdly, who is paying for the NRC - an entire Federal governmental department to overlook the most expensive power in the US? Fourth, who is paying for the military escorts of International oil tankers? Cheney's Oil War in Iraq cost $6 Trillion. Pales in comparison to a few tax credits for renewables. Coal ash tailing ponds all over the US, constantly found leaking toxic wastes into waterways?
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ecofarm said:
So what; did someone tell you environmentalists don't have trash?
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What is interesting in the fact pointed out there is in the revelation it makes regarding the structure of the problem. It is quite a different thing to demand things to walking the walk.
 
Media_Truth said:
Mac77 said:
I pay for any cleanup real or imagined when I fill up at the pump or turn on a light through my electric bill.

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That's a real laugher. First of all, gas taxes don't even come close to paying for the roads you drive on. Secondly, I can post link after link of cleanup costs that the fossil fuel companies never paid for. Just look up Exxon-Valdez for one example. Thirdly, who is paying for the NRC - an entire Federal governmental department to overlook the most expensive power in the US? Fourth, who is paying for the military escorts of International oil tankers? Cheney's Oil War in Iraq cost $6 Trillion. Pales in comparison to a few tax credits for renewables. Coal ash tailing ponds all over the US, constantly found leaking toxic wastes into waterways?
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Cheneys oil war?

Thats just another liberal lie.

But in a way you are correct that oil is strategic

Because without oil supplies from the middle east the world economy would collapse and there would be no money to give away to greenies for their free solar panels and windmills
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Mac77 said:
I pay for any cleanup real or imagined when I fill up at the pump or turn on a light through my electric bill.

Tree huggers otoh only do the "right" thing when they get a subsidy from the government that is taken from someone else
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Is that (bolded above) supposed to mean that energy and road use taxes forgive energy companies the responsibility to pay for their environmental damages? I pay taxes too - does that mean that I can dump on the roadside or put sewage into the creek?
 
Mac77 said:
Media_Truth said:
Cheneys oil war?

Thats just another liberal lie.
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Not a lie at all. Quoted directly from the PNAC, a group that Cheney was part of.

This, they said, would be accomplished by the waging of "multiple simultaneous large-scale wars" and one of their first orders of business was always the removal of Saddam Hussein, thereby giving the US a toehold in the oil-rich Middle East.

'Rebuilding America's Defenses' and the Project for the New American Century, by Bette Stockbauer

But in a way you are correct that oil is strategic
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Oil is very strategic and a very valuable commodity, and that's why I believe in conserving so future generations will have some. But the ecologically deficient GOP, the Gas Overconsumption Party, thinks otherwise.
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Media_Truth said:
And you let others pay for the environmental cleanup of the industries you support.
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The photograph shows objects made of metals, glass and wood. All these items were produced by industries that almost certainly used oil and coal to manufacture. Its difficult to understand the opposition to industries which have produced such items.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Is that (bolded above) supposed to mean that energy and road use taxes forgive energy companies the responsibility to pay for their environmental damages?

I pay taxes too - does that mean that I can dump on the roadside or put sewage into the creek?
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Not at all

Just because the left believes that the oil companies are getting away with murder does not make it so

But why argue with people about it who have made up their mind and refuse to listen?
 
Media_Truth said:
Mac77 said:
Not a lie at all. Quoted directly from the PNAC, a group that Cheney was part of.

This, they said, would be accomplished by the waging of "multiple simultaneous large-scale wars" and one of their first orders of business was always the removal of Saddam Hussein, thereby giving the US a toehold in the oil-rich Middle East.

'Rebuilding America's Defenses' and the Project for the New American Century, by Bette Stockbauer



Oil is very strategic and a very valuable commodity, and that's why I believe in conserving so future generations will have some. But the ecologically deficient GOP, the Gas Overconsumption Party, thinks otherwise.
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The US a;ready had a toehold in the middle east and has had for many years

Removing saddam was a big mistake but I don't think we did it to keep all of iraq's oil for exxon and shell/bp.
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