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Today is Earth Day - Marches for Science worldwide

Media_Truth said:
I think you're ignoring the comradery aspect, which I've always found quite intense. I think you also ignore the entire Conservation aspect, which is one trait that I found almost universally accepted from Earth Day participants.

When the Bush/Cheney duo first took office, they made a forecast of all these additional power plants that were going to be needed in the next few years. At least one power company, and probably more, went bankrupt by over-investing. Turns out that it was totally bogus, in large part due to conservation - shifts to CF and LED lighting, Energy Star appliances, etc.
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All of those things you listed were brought about by government induced economic prompting. Energy star gets tax write offs, and using less power the result of ever increasing prices per kilowatt hour...also controlled by the government.


This is what I'm talking about...these are great things, and I'm behind them 100%, but...I simply don't believe that without some prompting, any of these things would have come to pass, rallies or no. Mice don't work out the solution to the maze without thinking there's cheese at the end. People are no different, and that's what I learned by publicly participating in stuff like that.



If 40,000 people really wanted to make difference, they'd go a day without using energy...no gas, no electric, no plastic. Can't do that at a rally.
 
KevinKohler said:
This is what I'm talking about...these are great things, and I'm behind them 100%, but...I simply don't believe that without some prompting, any of these things would have come to pass, rallies or no. Mice don't work out the solution to the maze without thinking there's cheese at the end. People are no different, and that's what I learned by publicly participating in stuff like that.
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Well we will agree to disagree. I think the tax rebates for Energy Star appliances was a good use of government incentives. Our government needs to pursue an energy policy that doesn't rely on middle-eastern oil, unethical and over-expensive nuclear power, and polluting coal. I thought Clinton/Gore also used government incentives very wisely, when they offered US cities matching funds for light rail installations. Now let's contrast these millions with the $6 trillion Iraqi Oil War. Who is really squandering government resources? Republicans are the wasteful-spending party, and have ballooned deficits. No doubt about it.
 
Media_Truth said:
Well we will agree to disagree. I think the tax rebates for Energy Star appliances was a good use of government incentives. Our government needs to pursue an energy policy that doesn't rely on middle-eastern oil, unethical and over-expensive nuclear power, and polluting coal. I thought Clinton/Gore also used government incentives very wisely, when they offered US cities matching funds for light rail installations. Now let's contrast these millions with the $6 trillion Iraqi Oil War. Who is really squandering government resources? Republicans are the wasteful-spending party, and have ballooned deficits. No doubt about it.
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Meh. Iraq was going to happen, no matter WHO was in office. If the US suddenly needed far fewer soldiers, and far less equipment, all of the northeastern, democratic states (were most of our military equipment is made) would go bankrupt.

Both sides are war Hawks, because both sides have ulterior motives for it. The only difference between them isn't the who, or the what, or even the when or how, it's the why.

Both sides squander resources, both sides are flippant with tax diollars. But this is besides the point. My point was, and is...these changes you listed, came about as a result of indirect government force...not because 40,000 people at a rally said it should be so.
 
KevinKohler said:
My point was, and is...these changes you listed, came about as a result of indirect government force...not because 40,000 people at a rally said it should be so.
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Yes, but can't this statement can be made about every government intervention, down to the very basic road repair? We vote people into office, who we believe will accomplish something closer to our view of life. The US has the highest BTU per GDP unit in the world. I happen to believe this is unsustainable both ecologically and economically, as do most of the people in these marches. BTW - 40,000 was Chicago alone.
 
Jack Hays said:

[h=1]Craziest activist photos from the #marchforscience #sciencemarchdc[/h]Their true colors shine brightly: This Earth Day, April 22, Earth Day Network and the March for Science are co-organizing a rally and teach-in on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. The day’s program will include speeches and trainings with scientists and civic organizers, musical performances, and a march through the streets of Washington, D.C.…
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Those signs are fantastic. I think the guy complaining ended up trolling himself. It's sometimes hard, I know, to get the clever, smarmy humor of scientists.
 
Ikari said:
Those signs are fantastic. I think the guy complaining ended up trolling himself. It's sometimes hard, I know, to get the clever, smarmy humor of scientists.
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Actually, no one complained. It was simply amusing.
 
KevinKohler said:
It's not the trash, it's the nature of the trash.


Kinda like the occupy wall street folks with their iPhones and apple laptops.

People tend to think of themselves as exceptions to a problem. Let me put it to you like this....have you ever been stuck in traffic? Did it occur to you that you were not, in fact, stuck in traffic...that you were the traffic? We tend to view our intersections with the group individually, when there are times when we need to let that go, and view ourself a are a part of the group.

So what has 40,000 pairs of feet trampling some street in Chicago actually done? What has it accomplished?
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Be thankfull they have the right to protest, try it NK or even Russia.
 
KevinKohler said:
It wasn't a protest.
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Ya we just gathered to annoy Trumpsters, thats just a bonus while exercising our first amendment right. By the looks of some of your replies I say mission accomplished. See ya at the next one !!
 
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