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Tennessee Teacher Tad Cummins Arrested in California, Teen Elizabeth Thomas Safe

volsrock said:
Slavery wasnt illegal back than and no one was considered racist nether...
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Yes and that's my point. The laws at the time may not have made it illegal for young teens to marry old men. Today, it's illegal. So it matters not if someone's grandma was married off in the 1890's. Probably with the blessing of their parents.

See TG's response to racism. It was a thing even then.
 
year2late said:
How many 15 year olds were there married to older men in the 1890's?

Yeah, I would think if there were 15 year olds hooking up with substantially older men that it would be beyond creepy.
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I think it happened a lot.
That is what Quenceitas and Cotillions are historically about, presenting the young Women who are ready to court and marry,
usually at age 15.
 
longview said:
I am not sure that is entirely accurate, as several states allow 15 year old to get married with Parental consent.
The age of the spouse, is not part of the equation.
But this is clearly not the case here! Cummins has broken several laws and will be tried for them.
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Some states younger with both parental consent and court approval.

However, one good reason for the older age of consent these days is we now understand the medical issues and permanent damage that can happen to a girl if they get pregnant too young , before their bodies fully mature.
 
Bucky said:
Today, teenagers are starting their own businesses, making millions of dollars etc. Physically they are maturing and going through puberty at younger ages. It is not uncommon for a child to experience puberty today at age 6-7.

Again, sexual assault is not real thing. It is a term created by feminists/liberals.
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What the ****?

Nobody goes through puberty at age 6. That's physically not a thing.

And yes, sexual assault is real. The fact that you deny that is extremely creepy.
 
Bucky said:
Is a 21-year old really a young man? He's probably in college 3 years out of high school.
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Yes, 21 year old's have experienced little, and know even less....
 
longview said:
I think it happened a lot.
That is what Quenceitas and Cotillions are historically about, presenting the young Women who are ready to court and marry,
usually at age 15.
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Courting does not equal immediate marriage. Just like dating. Look at the stats for the times. I found that 20-21 was usual.
 
Court documents: Mother had abused teen in kidnapping case


The mother needs to be in prison also
 
WCH said:
Tennessee has Romeo and Juliet laws.

My Mom got pregnant with me at 15. My oldest daughter started having a relationship with her current husband at 15 [he was 22] I myself had a relationship with a 15 year old when I was 29. [most regretfully]

**** happens. right or wrong.
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What do Romeo and Juliet laws have to do with the case in question or the information you provide?

Some jurisdictions have passed so-called "Romeo and Juliet laws", which serve to reduce or eliminate the penalty of the crime in cases where the couple's age difference is minor
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape#Romeo_and_Juliet_laws


What did you think Romeo and Juliet laws meant?
 
WCH said:
That's the sort of person I was then...wanting to help out those I saw as needing. In this case it was wrong and to my detriment.

I fell in love and that was the my second mistake. When it was over, she went right back to her former lifestyle.

Demean me if you must but, I'm just being honest here,
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Perhaps I will get crap for this... but that has never stopped me from posting what I want in the past, so it won't stop me now.

I give you a lot of credit for being honest and posting what you did, even though I'm sure you knew it would get a very negative response. Seems to me that you are regretful for what happened and recognize that it was somewhat self indulgent and wrong even though part of your motivations were to be helpful. I don't agree with what you did; you were the adult and should have recognized that as the adult, you had far more power and control than the 15 year old could ever have, both because of your standing and because of her brain development, something that Vance has explained very well. Seems to me that you have more understanding of this now. I give you credit for being willing to discuss this in the way that you did. You were not demeaning to her nor did you justify that wrongness of what you did. You admitted it.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Perhaps I will get crap for this... but that has never stopped me from posting what I want in the past, so it won't stop me now.

I give you a lot of credit for being honest and posting what you did, even though I'm sure you knew it would get a very negative response. Seems to me that you are regretful for what happened and recognize that it was somewhat self indulgent and wrong even though part of your motivations were to be helpful. I don't agree with what you did; you were the adult and should have recognized that as the adult, you had far more power and control than the 15 year old could ever have, both because of your standing and because of her brain development, something that Vance has explained very well. Seems to me that you have more understanding of this now. I give you credit for being willing to discuss this in the way that you did. You were not demeaning to her nor did you justify that wrongness of what you did. You admitted it.
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I didn't see remorse. I saw an attempt at justification, "I took her off the streets."
 
What is so stupid about all of this, is he thought he would get away with it.
We must assume such, or he never would have put things in motion.
 
RAMOSS said:
Some states younger with both parental consent and court approval.

However, one good reason for the older age of consent these days is we now understand the medical issues and permanent damage that can happen to a girl if they get pregnant too young , before their bodies fully mature.
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Consent laws are different all across the country. In Texas and PA the age of consent to MARRY is 13...with parents consent (PA has since changed their laws. However the conundrum there is that there is no legal consent to sexual contact at age 13, even in PA. Unless you are married. Gets a little convoluted. Additionally...the age of consent to sexual contact also varies widely. In some states, the age of consent is as young as 15...but with restrictions on how much older the other party can be.
https://globaljusticeinitiative.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/united-states-age-of-consent-table11.pdf

Edit:Texas has upped their limits. Massachusetts and New Hampshire remain respectively 12 and 13.
 
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longview said:
What is so stupid about all of this, is he thought he would get away with it.
We must assume such, or he never would have put things in motion.
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He grew obsessed, and that manifested itself once his advances started receiving positive feedback from the underage girl. It's not rocket science. It's just what you'd expect when someone becomes obsessed.
 
VanceMack said:
Consent laws are different all across the country. In Texas and PA the age of consent to MARRY is 13...with parents consent (PA has since changed their laws. However the conundrum there is that there is no legal consent to sexual contact at age 13, even in PA. Unless you are married. Gets a little convoluted. Additionally...the age of consent to sexual contact also varies widely. In some states, the age of consent is as young as 15...but with restrictions on how much older the other party can be.
https://globaljusticeinitiative.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/united-states-age-of-consent-table11.pdf
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Texas is up to 14 with parental consent. I do think that the whole 'age of consent' and 'legal age to get married' should be a bit more standardized
I think 15 or younger is just to young to get married, even with parental consent.
 
RAMOSS said:
Texas is up to 14 with parental consent. I do think that the whole 'age of consent' and 'legal age to get married' should be a bit more standardized
I think 15 or younger is just to young to get married, even with parental consent.
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It is confusing and parents really dont for the most part understand what is legal or not in statutory settings. We had parents clamoring for the heads of 20-21 year old Soldiers that were dating their 16 year old daughters...and were very much unhappy to learn that legally there is literally nothing that can be done about it.

Other countries would think that our standards were downright prudish. Age of consent is much younger.
 
VanceMack said:
It is confusing and parents really dont for the most part understand what is legal or not in statutory settings. We had parents clamoring for the heads of 20-21 year old Soldiers that were dating their 16 year old daughters...and were very much unhappy to learn that legally there is literally nothing that can be done about it.

Other countries would think that our standards were downright prudish. Age of consent is much younger.
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The main thing I think is 'before 16, if a woman gets pregnant, there is a high change of permanent physical damage to her, and a higher change of birth defects'. There is also that maturity aspect, but the pregnancy risks to woman and child are much greater for pre-16 pregnancies.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Perhaps I will get crap for this... but that has never stopped me from posting what I want in the past, so it won't stop me now.

I give you a lot of credit for being honest and posting what you did, even though I'm sure you knew it would get a very negative response. Seems to me that you are regretful for what happened and recognize that it was somewhat self indulgent and wrong even though part of your motivations were to be helpful. I don't agree with what you did; you were the adult and should have recognized that as the adult, you had far more power and control than the 15 year old could ever have, both because of your standing and because of her brain development, something that Vance has explained very well. Seems to me that you have more understanding of this now. I give you credit for being willing to discuss this in the way that you did. You were not demeaning to her nor did you justify that wrongness of what you did. You admitted it.
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Thank you. I pretty much knew I would get crap for it but, it's not a secret in my family or friend circle so, I thought I could share my experience here.
 
WCH said:
I know exactly what they are. My reply was in response to Mr. Person's post.

My history had nothing to do with those laws. Just happen to be in the same post.
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He was discussing the ability to consent. R&J law allows for children of similar age to engage in acts that would be considered criminal if it involved an adult and a child. Neither child involved is considered capable of consent, but there is no clear manipulation given the similar ages. R&J law does not claim children can consent.
 
calamity said:
I didn't see remorse. I saw an attempt at justification, "I took her off the streets."
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I saw it in his admission that he did something wrong.
 
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