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U.S. Carl Vinson Carrier Wasn’t on Way to North Korea

Lol, give it up. I'm not listening to your newspeak. We have numerous officials saying that the carrier group is "heading to" or "on it's way"
to the Korean peninsula and we also have a press release saying "the carrier group is skipping it's trip to Australia and is being ordered to the Korean Peninsula" and your problem is that the media dares to report that the carrier group is currently on it's way when in reality it was really on it's way to Australia. You can't bull**** your way out of this. It's fine if you don't think it's a big deal for the government to makes mistakes this big or if you think it's ok for the government to lie about something this important but you can't pretend that they didn't get anything wrong and/or lie. It happened and it's not the medias fault.

There is nothing to give up. The carrier is heading to Korea, is it not?

It is your choice to go along with the ride the media is taking you on. It shows how effective they are as good partners of the left.
 
There is nothing to give up. The carrier is heading to Korea, is it not?

It wasn't when they said it was, lol. And it did go to Australia when a press release said it wasn't. Try telling your boss that "I'm heading to work" and then show up the next day and argue "well I didn't say when!" It's amazing the depths you'll go to to defend an obvious mistake.
 
It wasn't when they said it was, lol. And it did go to Australia when a press release said it wasn't. Try telling your boss that "I'm heading to work" and then show up the next day and argue "well I didn't say when!" It's amazing the depths you'll go to to defend an obvious mistake.

I've acknowledged the press release. I've also indicated the Sec Def commented about it, so he acknowledged the misperception the press release caused.

When are you going to acknowledge the fake stories you bought from the media, including the one about the intelligence ships they reported on you refuse to even comment on?
 
"It wasn't when they said it was, lol. And it did go to Australia when a press release said it wasn't. Try telling your boss that "I'm heading to work" and then show up the next day and argue "well I didn't say when!" It's amazing the depths you'll go to to defend an obvious mistake." r2 #227
I was with you right until the last word.

"Mistake"?!?!

Donald Trump is an inveterate exaggerater / aka liar.

If we class it a "mistake" (your word), it would have to mean either Trump as Commander in Chief of the armed forces of the United States is so out of touch that he didn't know the status of this key battle group in this key location on the high seas. - OR -

He'd been briefed on it, but in his dotage simply couldn't correctly account.

If we extrapolate from Trump's long and inglorious history; the former explanation would seem the more plausible.
 
Not true. Read the quotes you are saying agree with this single press release. They say the Carl Vinson is heading for Korea. It is.

You, the media, and rest of the Trump obsessed are the ones embarrassing yourselves. You can't even address the facts, as evidenced by the complete refusal to even comment on the intelligence ships the media appears to have invented.

I have written numerous times that I believed the media reports the Carl Vinson was heading directly to Korea. Why would I not? They said it was. They even added this story about Russian and Chinese intelligence ships joining the convoy. Seemed plausible to me.

Discovering they made the whole thing up, and are now trying to deflect from their lies by claiming President Trump doesn't know what he is doing is not a surprise to me. I am also not surprised detractors of President Trump are willing to be led by this fantasy as well.



Your "intelligence ships" of the PLA Navy and of Russia trailing the USS Vinson and its USN Carrier Strike Force 1, supposedly on the way to the Korean peninsula when Vinson et al were in fact underway to Australia...


China, Russia send ships after U.S. aircraft carrier

7:23 pm, April 16, 2017

The Yomiuri Shimbun

China and Russia have dispatched intelligence-gathering vessels from their navies to chase the USS Carl Vinson nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, which is heading toward waters near the Korean Peninsula, multiple sources of the Japanese government revealed to The Yomiuri Shimbun.

The aircraft carrier strike group, composed of the Carl Vinson at its core with guided-missile destroyers and other vessels, is understood to be around the East China Sea and heading north toward waters near the Korean Peninsula.

China, Russia send ships after U.S. aircraft carrier - The Japan News


So it could appear the intelligence ships sent out on the chase by PLA Navy and the Russian Navy found themselves alone out there on the vast open ocean as it eventually turned out the Vinson et al were a thousand miles south of 'em. Unless of course anyone might want to dispute Japanese military intelligence reports.

Sounds like Japanese military radars et al picked up some PLAN and also Russian navy ships but not the USN Vinson Carrier Strike Force. Hence the report in the Yomiuri Shimbun that the Vinson was "understood" to be "around the East China Sea" as it was simultaneously understood to be heading north (but wuz in fact waay down south but nevermind).

Yep, Japanese military intelligence saw some ships but not any USN ships -- certainly not any Vinson ships. So who knows what the Japanese may have thought. For all we know Japanese military intelligence could have wondered if the Vinson force had sailed into a time warp to find itself back near Hawaii on December 6, 1941.

So there are no apparent problems to any of this in respect of MSM reports of PLAN and Russian intelligence ships based on sources in military intelligence. After all, PLAN and the Russian Pacific Fleet had only their own intelligence to go by that the Vinson Group was underway to the Korean peninsula. That and the public announcement of same by U.S. Pacific Command at Pearl Harbor. Either way of course PLAN and the Russian Navy got that all alone feeling out there on the empty high seas.
 
Trump did the same damn thing with Syria. He warned the Russians and they in turn warned the Syrians.

Because that is what he wanted to do. He wanted the Russians to get out of the way so none of them would be hurt. He didn't want an international incident with Russians getting killed in the attack. The attack was a message only. It was never designed to be any more than a message.
 
Because that is what he wanted to do. He wanted the Russians to get out of the way so none of them would be hurt. He didn't want an international incident with Russians getting killed in the attack. The attack was a message only. It was never designed to be any more than a message.

And in turn the Syrians were warned which made the attack useless.
 
And in turn the Syrians were warned which made the attack useless.

The reason for the attack was to send a message. The message was received. That was the only reason for the attack, other than sending a second suttle message to North Korea and the rest of the world that the US was back.
 
trump sent a message that he breaks his promises, such as telling the enemy where we're attacking.

The reason for the attack was to send a message. The message was received. That was the only reason for the attack, other than sending a second suttle message to North Korea and the rest of the world that the US was back.

The USA never left, just those who opposed Obama like McConnell in 2010 with his one-term promise .
 
trump sent a message that he breaks his promises, such as telling the enemy where we're attacking.



The USA never left, just those who opposed Obama like McConnell in 2010 with his one-term promise .

Still having sour grapes over your loss I see.
 
Your "intelligence ships" of the PLA Navy and of Russia trailing the USS Vinson and its USN Carrier Strike Force 1, supposedly on the way to the Korean peninsula when Vinson et al were in fact underway to Australia...


China, Russia send ships after U.S. aircraft carrier

7:23 pm, April 16, 2017

The Yomiuri Shimbun

China and Russia have dispatched intelligence-gathering vessels from their navies to chase the USS Carl Vinson nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, which is heading toward waters near the Korean Peninsula, multiple sources of the Japanese government revealed to The Yomiuri Shimbun.

The aircraft carrier strike group, composed of the Carl Vinson at its core with guided-missile destroyers and other vessels, is understood to be around the East China Sea and heading north toward waters near the Korean Peninsula.

China, Russia send ships after U.S. aircraft carrier - The Japan News


So it could appear the intelligence ships sent out on the chase by PLA Navy and the Russian Navy found themselves alone out there on the vast open ocean as it eventually turned out the Vinson et al were a thousand miles south of 'em. Unless of course anyone might want to dispute Japanese military intelligence reports.

Sounds like Japanese military radars et al picked up some PLAN and also Russian navy ships but not the USN Vinson Carrier Strike Force. Hence the report in the Yomiuri Shimbun that the Vinson was "understood" to be "around the East China Sea" as it was simultaneously understood to be heading north (but wuz in fact waay down south but nevermind).

Yep, Japanese military intelligence saw some ships but not any USN ships -- certainly not any Vinson ships. So who knows what the Japanese may have thought. For all we know Japanese military intelligence could have wondered if the Vinson force had sailed into a time warp to find itself back near Hawaii on December 6, 1941.

So there are no apparent problems to any of this in respect of MSM reports of PLAN and Russian intelligence ships based on sources in military intelligence. After all, PLAN and the Russian Pacific Fleet had only their own intelligence to go by that the Vinson Group was underway to the Korean peninsula. That and the public announcement of same by U.S. Pacific Command at Pearl Harbor. Either way of course PLAN and the Russian Navy got that all alone feeling out there on the empty high seas.

It's a nice story you have created. Where are these intelligence ships now?
 
It's a nice story you have created. Where are these intelligence ships now?


Thx and if you'd like I can link you to the voice version.

I got my stuff right. Which is more than one can say about either the Pentagon or the White House. U.S. Naval Institute has parsed out what happened...


On April 8, PACOM commander Adm. Harry Harris ordered the strike group to skip a previously planned port call in Fremantle, Australia and accelerate at sea training with the Royal Australian Navy off of the western coast of the country to get the strike group to the vicinity of Korea faster.

A brief press statement issued as the ship left Singapore announced the cancellation of the port visit but did not include mention of the training with the RAN. The notice sparked press stories the CSG was steaming without delay to Korea assuming the move was to deter an anticipated North Korean missile or nuclear weapons test.

However, Mattis misspoke and said the training component of the CSG’s exercise with the RAN was canceled, which Pentagon officials corrected in a statement to USNI News shortly after Mattis’ remarks. Additional unclear statements from the White House compounded the misconception the Vinson CSG was headed directly to the peninsula


https://news.usni.org/2017/04/19/carl-vinson-carrier-strike-group-deployment-extended#more-25246


Intelligence ships of PLA Navy and Russian Navy were picked up operating off the Korean Peninsula by Japanese military intelligence. Japan military intelligence however reported only the presence of the PLA and Russian intelligence ships. Japanese military intelligence never said the Vinson CSG was in the area. Reason being Japanese intelligence didn't see any sign of the Vinson CSG in the area. (As we know Vinson CSG was down off Australia.)

So anyone who might want to know where the intelligence ships are now of the PLA Navy and Russian Navy might get their information from the same sources as do both of the navies, i.e., the U.S. Pacific Command Public Information Office in Hawaii. So much for PLA Naval intelligence and Russian Naval intelligence eh. Both of 'em get their info from the same sources as you or I do. (So does Mattis btw.)

More we go into this the more idiotic it gets except for Japanese military intelligence which saw what it saw and said what it didn't see. Everybody else doesn't know port from starboard and needs to be cleared out from stem to stern.
 
PLA Naval intelligence and Russian Naval intelligence had no clue the Vinson CSG was down at Australia. That it had gone from Singapore to Australia...through Indonesian islands channels.

Doing (abbreviated) exercises with the Royal Australian Navy in the Indian Ocean side of Australia.

Maybe we should start the next war now while we're so far ahead that the enemy has no clue of where we are. Zero clue. To include when or why.

Trouble is we'd need to hold off....at least until SecDef Mattis finds out for himself too.


:popcorn2:
 
Thx and if you'd like I can link you to the voice version.

I got my stuff right. Which is more than one can say about either the Pentagon or the White House. U.S. Naval Institute has parsed out what happened...


On April 8, PACOM commander Adm. Harry Harris ordered the strike group to skip a previously planned port call in Fremantle, Australia and accelerate at sea training with the Royal Australian Navy off of the western coast of the country to get the strike group to the vicinity of Korea faster.

A brief press statement issued as the ship left Singapore announced the cancellation of the port visit but did not include mention of the training with the RAN. The notice sparked press stories the CSG was steaming without delay to Korea assuming the move was to deter an anticipated North Korean missile or nuclear weapons test.

However, Mattis misspoke and said the training component of the CSG’s exercise with the RAN was canceled, which Pentagon officials corrected in a statement to USNI News shortly after Mattis’ remarks. Additional unclear statements from the White House compounded the misconception the Vinson CSG was headed directly to the peninsula


https://news.usni.org/2017/04/19/carl-vinson-carrier-strike-group-deployment-extended#more-25246


Intelligence ships of PLA Navy and Russian Navy were picked up operating off the Korean Peninsula by Japanese military intelligence. Japan military intelligence however reported only the presence of the PLA and Russian intelligence ships. Japanese military intelligence never said the Vinson CSG was in the area. Reason being Japanese intelligence didn't see any sign of the Vinson CSG in the area. (As we know Vinson CSG was down off Australia.)

So anyone who might want to know where the intelligence ships are now of the PLA Navy and Russian Navy might get their information from the same sources as do both of the navies, i.e., the U.S. Pacific Command Public Information Office in Hawaii. So much for PLA Naval intelligence and Russian Naval intelligence eh. Both of 'em get their info from the same sources as you or I do. (So does Mattis btw.)

More we go into this the more idiotic it gets except for Japanese military intelligence which saw what it saw and said what it didn't see. Everybody else doesn't know port from starboard and needs to be cleared out from stem to stern.

Repeating the same story doesn't answer the question.

You must remember that it was the media that was reporting the progress of the Carl Vinson task force. You must also remember it was engaged in what amounted to a daily count down to Armageddon, as they reported the Carl Vinson was getting closer.

The media even included this report about Chinese and Russian intelligence ships tailing the group, and added all sorts of conjecture about what their capabilities were, and how far away they would have to stay, what they might do to provide counter defense to any action, etc.

Once it was discovered the media completely fabricated the whole story, it's now engaged in trying to blame President Trump for their lies.

I'm continuing to be surprised by those who are trying to drink from the same poisoned well.
 
"it was the media that was reporting the progress of the Carl Vinson task force. You must also remember it was engaged in what amounted to a daily count down to Armageddon, as they reported the Carl Vinson was getting closer." o5 #241
a) I never read any such report.

b) I do not in any way deny your indication that such report was published.

c) Even if it was, it is not necessarily deliberate fraud.

It could instead have been simple extrapolation.
Few if any news bureaus have satellite telemetry on U.S. Navy deployments.
They are dependent upon basic "rate times time = distance" calculations,
and may only have learned days later that the words the president of the United States used were misleading (or lies, depending upon your perspective).
 
Repeating the same story doesn't answer the question.

You must remember that it was the media that was reporting the progress of the Carl Vinson task force. You must also remember it was engaged in what amounted to a daily count down to Armageddon, as they reported the Carl Vinson was getting closer.

The media even included this report about Chinese and Russian intelligence ships tailing the group, and added all sorts of conjecture about what their capabilities were, and how far away they would have to stay, what they might do to provide counter defense to any action, etc.

Once it was discovered the media completely fabricated the whole story, it's now engaged in trying to blame President Trump for their lies.

I'm continuing to be surprised by those who are trying to drink from the same poisoned well.


U.S. Naval Institute pursued the facts to analyze what occurred. My post you had quoted presented the core deductive statements of the USNI report posted to its public website.

Anyone who doesn't like the report can dispute the report directly to its source, i.e., USNI.

Unless of course he might be in too deeply in his line against MSM to be bothered by the facts. Because if that might be the case then it would be politics uber alles over there on the right. Politics and ideology. Dogmas.
 
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