North Korea launches unsuccessful missile attempt, says South Korea

joG said:

I can only repeat that you might want to think the problems of duopoly vs multipolar structures of international security.

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I'm not sure what you mean by those phrases.

Good discussion between Tucker Carlson and George Friedman:

And now China's looking to replicate this same game via Iran:

Chinese, Iranian firms to sign first nuclear plant redesign contracts | Reuters

The Chinese know their game involving North Korea is falling apart, so they want to create another one involving Iran as a substitute.

matchlight said:

I'm not sure what you mean by those phrases.

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What don't you understand? That there is a great difference in probable outcome of a duopoly and that of a multipolar structure?

Kim is now doing openly and blatantly the work of the CCP DyNasty in Beijing. Shamelessly and without any reserve or self-respect.


North Korea threatens Australia with nuclear strike over US allegiance

1 hour ago
April 23, 2017

AAP and staff writers News Corp Australia Network

NORTH Korea has bluntly warned Australia of a possible nuclear strike if Canberra persists in “blindly and zealously toeing the US line”.



US Vice President Mike Pence, left, and Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop pose for a photo during a visit to the Australian Museum in Sydney. Picture: David Moir/APSource:AP


North Korea’s state news agency (KCNA) on Saturday quoted a foreign ministry spokesman castigating Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop after she “spouted a string of rubbish” against the Democratic Peoples’ Republic of Korea (DPRK).

“If Australia persists in following the US moves to isolate and stifle the DPRK and remains a shock brigade of the US master, this will be a suicidal act of coming within the range of the nuclear strike of the strategic force of the DPRK,” the report said.

“The Australian foreign minister had better think twice about the consequences to be entailed by her reckless tongue-lashing before flattering the US.” Earlier this week Ms Bishop said on the ABC’s AM program that North Korea’s nuclear weapons program posed a “serious threat” to Australia unless it was stopped by the international community.

North Korea threatens Australia with nuclear strike over US allegiance



So why now anyway is Kim suddenly hollering at Australia? Until a few hours ago Kim hadn't ever said a word about Australia.

Kim in fact hasn't ever given a **** about Australia and he still doesn't give a rat's ass about Australia. Kim is 100% focused against the United States.

It's the current CCP DyNasty in Beijing that are focused on Australia. CCP DyNasty has been focused on Australia for more than a decade. Australia is prominent in the region as a center of Western civilization and has fought shoulder to shoulder with the United States in every conflict since World War I.

CCP DyNasty want control of Australia in the worst way. Australia has denied CCP the control that CCP are determined to swipe for themselves exclusively. Of both Australia and, eventually, the region as a whole.

Kim threatening Australia with a nuclear strike is entirely the work of CCP DyNasty in Beijing. We see in this act by CCP DyNasty and Kim that Xi Jinping and the Boyz in Beijing are only getting worse than their already awful behaviors such as in the South China Sea and the Sea of Japan, to include Taiwan.

CCP DyNasty are only upping the ante. Not a good idea concerning Trump and his iron hawk China advisers.

matchlight said:

Many people at the time thought Nikita Khrushchev was irrational, and that that made him very dangerous and unpredictable. And yet he became amazingly reasonable when he saw the immense force he was up against in the Cuban crisis. North Korea may have a dozen or so nuclear bombs it could deliver by aircraft. In 1962, the USSR had about three thousand nuclear weapons, some of them on cruise missiles aboard submarines off our coasts. It also had ballistic missiles which could carry warheads of one megaton or even larger--so powerful that even a single one which missed the center of a U.S. city by several miles would still probably have killed a couple hundred thousand people.

I am not trying to downplay the dangers of a confrontation with North Korea. If war were to break out there, many thousands of people would be killed. But I think the best way to avoid that is not to allow ourselves to be intimidated by wild threats, and instead resolve to prevent this regime--by force, if necessary--from developing long-range nuclear missiles. The danger that would present makes the current danger look small in comparison, and it is so great we cannot accept it. This man probably can be intimidated now. But if we let him get weapons like that, our inaction could encourage him to take the next step, and use them.

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If the U.S. independently destroyed the North Korea infrastructure of nuclear weapons and missiles Kim would need to decide if he would accept that without launching his artillery against Seoul and S. Korea or if he would launch the threatened attack.

Acceptance by Kim would mean he and his regime survive and continue however humiliated and degraded. Launching an attack against Seoul would positively mean the end of Kim and his regime. Kim knows this just as everyone knows this.

U.S. has immense firepower air and naval in any given circumstance as we saw in the air-sea assaults against Iraq in Gulf War I in 1991 and in the three week air-sea-land invasion of Iraq in 2003 (it's what developed afterward that in 2003 was the serious snafu).

With Kim the other day and for the first time threatening to nuke Australia his time with nuclear toys needs to be terminated. Let's hope so. Potus Trump would have bipartisan and nearly unanimous support in the USA to take out Kim's nuclear and missile infrastructure. It's been thought through for 20 years and updated by several administrations in Washington.

Obama's final SecDef the steely hawk Ashton Carter, who knows the Pentagon and U.S. military better than any living person (no less than Bob Gates for sure) has always favored it. Before himself becoming SecDef the nuclear physicist Ashton Carter had served under or formally advised eleven SecsDef.


In 1993, Ashton Carter was placed in charge of the task force on North Korea that issued a position paper for the National Security Council. Carter “wanted military options taken very seriously.” The paper “was very pessimistic about the prospects for negotiations” and recommended launching an attack on North Korea’s nuclear facilities.

One year later, the Clinton Administration was moving toward war, which was now seen as not only likely but desirable. According to Ashton Carter, in 1994 he and [former] Defense Secretary William Perry “readied plans for striking at North Korea’s nuclear facilities and for mobilizing hundreds of thousands of American troops for the war that probably would have followed.” The Yongbyon facility was to be targeted by precision-guided bombs. “We were highly confident that it could be destroyed without causing a meltdown that would release radioactivity into the air.” Carter and Perry felt that the threat posed by North Korea’s nuclear program “was even more dangerous” than military conflict, and they “were prepared to risk a war to stop it.” [2]

Ashton Carter Nomination: Dangerous for the People of Korea | Zoom in Korea


Again, with Kim suddenly now threatening a nuclear strike of Australia it's past time to get the Kim regime nuclear programs done and overwith. The calculations of it have been done for decades and the scenarios have been considered thoroughly. Elites in Seoul are divided on the point but the vital support for the decisive act is strong in the South.

Washington needs now to commence the countdown. If it hasn't begun counting already, which is probable given how things have been going. Nailing 'em won't be easy or free of cost. It is however a high stakes opportunity cost that must be executed for the common good.

Tangmo said:

If the U.S. independently destroyed the North Korea infrastructure of nuclear weapons and missiles Kim would need to decide if he would accept that without launching his artillery against Seoul and S. Korea or if he would launch the threatened attack.

Acceptance by Kim would mean he and his regime survive and continue however humiliated and degraded. Launching an attack against Seoul would positively mean the end of Kim and his regime. Kim knows this just as everyone knows this.

U.S. has immense firepower air and naval in any given circumstance as we saw in the air-sea assaults against Iraq in Gulf War I in 1991 and in the three week air-sea-land invasion of Iraq in 2003 (it's what developed afterward that in 2003 was the serious snafu).

With Kim the other day and for the first time threatening to nuke Australia his time with nuclear toys needs to be terminated. Let's hope so. Potus Trump would have bipartisan and nearly unanimous support in the USA to take out Kim's nuclear and missile infrastructure. It's been thought through for 20 years and updated by several administrations in Washington.

Obama's final SecDef the steely hawk Ashton Carter, who knows the Pentagon and U.S. military better than any living person (no less than Bob Gates for sure) has always favored it. Before himself becoming SecDef the nuclear physicist Ashton Carter had served under or formally advised eleven SecsDef.


In 1993, Ashton Carter was placed in charge of the task force on North Korea that issued a position paper for the National Security Council. Carter “wanted military options taken very seriously.” The paper “was very pessimistic about the prospects for negotiations” and recommended launching an attack on North Korea’s nuclear facilities.

One year later, the Clinton Administration was moving toward war, which was now seen as not only likely but desirable. According to Ashton Carter, in 1994 he and [former] Defense Secretary William Perry “readied plans for striking at North Korea’s nuclear facilities and for mobilizing hundreds of thousands of American troops for the war that probably would have followed.” The Yongbyon facility was to be targeted by precision-guided bombs. “We were highly confident that it could be destroyed without causing a meltdown that would release radioactivity into the air.” Carter and Perry felt that the threat posed by North Korea’s nuclear program “was even more dangerous” than military conflict, and they “were prepared to risk a war to stop it.” [2]

Ashton Carter Nomination: Dangerous for the People of Korea | Zoom in Korea

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I wish I could disagree with any of that, but I can't. The only thing I would add is that the U.S. could not afford to gamble that Kim would not attack Seoul in retaliation. Silencing those artillery and rocket positions quickly, from everything I have heard, would be very difficult even for our forces. I would think they would have to use a good part of the total inventory of B-2's, and then of the B-1's and B-52's, augmented by a lot of tactical aircraft. And even if North Korea's air defense system had been largely crippled in a "knockout" attack by many hundreds of cruise missiles and bombs, some of it would surely survive to shoot down some of the planes attacking the artillery and rocket sites.

I doubt North Korea's land forces are a major threat. Without air support, they could not go far into the South or last long there. Of course the bridges, rail lines, roads, trucks, etc. that a land advance would depend on for resupply would be destroyed with a speed and thoroughness the U.S., with the weapons of the day, could only dream of in the Korean War. With no more air force, no more navy, no more missiles or atom bombs, and an army that was steadily being destroyed from the air, Kim would be sure to be disgraced and overthrown.

I also doubt there would be any need to invade North Korea. I have never been convinced there was a need to invade Iraq, or at least the heartland of it, in either the 1991 or 2003 wars. The list of bombing targets could have been expanded to include ones it would have hurt civilians so badly to lose that they would have done anything they had to do to overthrow Hussein, rather than continue to endure the misery. It was because most of them had not been harmed very much that they were not more strongly motivated to turn on the regime. Sherman understood a brutal, ugly truth about war that those officers who proudly pointed to photos showing how their bombs had spared civilians were desperate to deny.

You'd think there would be some way to take that little evil dictator out without killing a lot of innocent people.

Busy busy.

Good news for the good guys...




Pence Talks Up ‘Strong And Historical’ Australia-US Alliance

Saturday, April 22, 2017

Vice President Mike Pence and Australia's Prime Minister have joined forces on the issue of North Korea. They urged China to pressure the North Korean regime to drop its nuclear weapons program.



In a press conference on Saturday Mr Turnbull warned the eyes of the world were on Beijing, as China had the leverage to influence North Korea to stop its 'reckless and dangerous trajectory'


Vice President Mike Pence and Australia's prime minister brushed off any lingering hostility over a contentious refugee deal and joined forces on Saturday to urge China to take a greater role in pressuring North Korea to drop its nuclear weapons program.

Pence and Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull repeatedly praised the decades-long American-Australian alliance following a meeting in Sydney, with the vice president thanking Turnbull for calling on Beijing to play a more active part in the international effort to de-escalate Pyongyang's nuclear threat.

Pence Reaffirms US-Australia Alliance After Trump Spat | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth




VP Pence referred to the signed and active U.S.-Indonesia Strategic Partnership....plus $10 billion as further encouragement. VP Pence met with a room full of business executives where pens and contracts were in motion throughout.


US Vice-Prez Mike Pence pledges to strengthen security ties with Indonesia

At Merdeka Palace remarks with Indonesian President Joko Widodo before the mosque tour, Pence said President Trump "sent me here as a sign of the high value the United States places on our strategic partnership with Indonesia"

AliveForFootball US Vice-Prez Mike Pence pledges to strengthen security ties with Indonesia


The most populous democracies of the world: India, USA, Indonesia. All of 'em being signed and active strategic partners. Australia as always.

Anyone wants to see from where the North Koreans get their inspiration for their mass parades and ceremonies needs only to look to China...





This is when Hu Jin Tao was prez. Right there with him was former Prez Jiang Zemin the previous emperor. Hu and Jiang were violent enemies who hated each other's guts with a flaming passion. Hu's good pal Xi Jinping has cleared out virtually all of Jiang's gangsters.

Another flop...


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North Korea has test-fired a ballistic missile, the South Korean military quoted by Yonhap news agency says.

It was not clear how far the missile travelled, but a US government source told Reuters the test failed.

The missile was fired from a site in South Pyeongan province north of Pyongyang in the early hours of Saturday morning local time, South Korea's military chiefs of staff said.

They said the type of missile was not yet known.

There has been no word from North Korea.

The reported launch occurred a matter of hours after the US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson called on the rest of the world to help force North Korea to give up its nuclear ambitions.

North Korea crisis: North 'test-fires ballistic missile' - BBC News

Tangmo said:

Another flop...


18 minutes ago

North Korea has test-fired a ballistic missile, the South Korean military quoted by Yonhap news agency says.

It was not clear how far the missile travelled, but a US government source told Reuters the test failed.

The missile was fired from a site in South Pyeongan province north of Pyongyang in the early hours of Saturday morning local time, South Korea's military chiefs of staff said.

They said the type of missile was not yet known.

There has been no word from North Korea.

The reported launch occurred a matter of hours after the US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson called on the rest of the world to help force North Korea to give up its nuclear ambitions.

North Korea crisis: North 'test-fires ballistic missile' - BBC News

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Seems the North Koreans are ... not overly impressed with Trumps UN threats and military posturing.

Tangmo said:

Another flop...


18 minutes ago

North Korea has test-fired a ballistic missile, the South Korean military quoted by Yonhap news agency says.

It was not clear how far the missile travelled, but a US government source told Reuters the test failed.

The missile was fired from a site in South Pyeongan province north of Pyongyang in the early hours of Saturday morning local time, South Korea's military chiefs of staff said.

They said the type of missile was not yet known.

There has been no word from North Korea.

The reported launch occurred a matter of hours after the US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson called on the rest of the world to help force North Korea to give up its nuclear ambitions.

North Korea crisis: North 'test-fires ballistic missile' - BBC News

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What's scary is this bs is pushing all sides towards war. FFS NK step back from the brink you morons.

Rogue Valley said:

Seems the North Koreans are ... not overly impressed with Trumps UN threats and military posturing.

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They're not impressed by much of anything by anyone.

South Korea is upping its land, air, and sea defense capabilities as tensions with its nuclear northern neighbor continue to run high.

The South has a three-stage defense system to cope with threats from North Korea.

Stage one is the “Kill Chain,” which targets the North’s nuclear and missile facilities with cruise missiles and other conventional weapons in the event that a preemptive strike by the North is detected. Stage two is the Korea Air and Missile Defense (KAMD), which intercepts incoming missiles. Stage three is the Korea Massive Punishment and Retaliation (KMPR), which calls for the deployment of special forces to eliminate Kim Jong-un and other leadership in Pyongyang.

Seoul approved a plan in August to place greater numbers of home-grown cruise missiles along the border between North and South Korea. The South is putting together a special operations team to carry out the KMPR. The South Korean military has also been conducting invasion and surgical strike drills with the U.S.

Concerned by some of President-elect Donald Trump’s campaign trail comments on South Korea, which the business mogul criticized for not paying its fare share for U.S. defense, the South has been investing heavily in its independent defense capabilities.

Read more: South Korea Releases Three-Point Plan To Box In Kim Jong Un | The Daily Caller


South Korea isn't going to act on their own but then neither is the U.S. going to act alone. The U.S. Army Thaad missile defense platform is expected to be operational by the end of the coming week. USN and Korean Navy ships are training together too, in addition to the large exercises occurring by the USN and the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force.

USS Vinson Carrier Strike Group 1 did finally arrive joined by two JMSDF destroyers. JMSDF has a swarm of destroyers. And subs. Top notch ASW too (anti-submarine warfare).

Kim knows the numbers. Kim is predictable as a nutcase, Trump is unpredictable as a wild man. This has only started to crank up.

Hard to believe fat man little boy Kim would be suicidal. At least intentionally so.




The site of a recently installed anti ballistic missile Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system in Seongju. Picture: AFPSource:AFP





U.S. and South Korean three-tier missile defense system as set up in South Korea




Beijing is not happy. Thaad powerful radars can read the heat in Xi Jinping's morning tea.

Tangmo said:

Hard to believe fat man little boy Kim would be suicidal. At least intentionally so.

The site of a recently installed anti ballistic missile Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system in Seongju. Picture: AFPSource:AFP

U.S. and South Korean three-tier missile defense system as set up in South Korea




Beijing is not happy. Thaad powerful radars can read the heat in Xi Jinping's morning tea.

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Is that bad for the ozone layer or set off global warming or anything?

That's impressive like shooting a bullet with another bullet.

akyron said:

Is that bad for the ozone layer or set off global warming or anything?

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Nope.

akyron said:

That's impressive like shooting a bullet with another bullet.

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Yes, it is.

Now, if Little Kim is rational, he'll back off. We'll see if he is or not.

akyron said:

Is that bad for the ozone layer or set off global warming or anything?

That's impressive like shooting a bullet with another bullet.

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Indeed.


Thaad is the only missile system 100% successful in tests, from the first test of it in 2005 through completion of testing in 2012. It was ready for deployment quickly after coming out Lockheed Martin design and production as the result. Nobody had to backtrack to correct anything major.



Thaad on site radar control


Seven batteries were ordered by the Pentagon and five batteries or single units have been deployed: Alaska, Guam, South Korea, United Arab Republic (aka Sparta) and Romania in Nato. Japan has the awesome radars only while Prime Minister Abe is working on Japan to buy the missiles.

March 30 Lockheed Martin got $273 million for 61 more interceptor missiles (8 interceptors to a unit) which will bring the Thaad total of interceptors to 261. The $273m is from the $360m for Thaad Obama got from Congress in a cakewalk last year. Thaad has quickly become a seller's market which is apparently why Trump has started sending out billing statements. If the charges might get imposed then SK should get a discount of 50% at the least on the $18 million system it just got.

Now that Thaad is real after first being proposed in 1987 Lockheed Martin is developing upgrades to make the interceptor missiles faster still with yet a greater range. Its radars are top of the line...


In terminal mode, the radar has a range of several hundred miles, giving the THAAD anti-missile system the ability to detect, track, and eliminate missiles in the final or terminal phase of flight. In forward-base mode, the radar’s range is extended, making it possible for THAAD to target projectiles in the initial or launch phase. The radar can reportedly be reconfigured in eight hours.

Read more: China Is Determined To 'Blind' US Missile Defense Systems | The Daily Caller


Beijing remains hysterical about Thaad in South Korea. CCP Dictators say they will blind Thaad radars. It's the radars' forward base mode that has CCP ****ting their pants. It would leave 'em with significantly impeded first strike capability and also any second strike capability. Thaad in SK is a major strategic coup for the U.S.

Song Zhongping, a military expert and former member of the People’s Liberation Army Rocket Force, proposed “blinding” the THAAD radar.

“China has measures to counter the THAAD system, for instance, making it ‘blind,’ which is very easy. The PLA is entirely capable of doing that,” Peng Guangqian, a military strategist at the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Academy of Military Science, told reporters.

“Making it ‘blind’ is a choice, but it will require damaging or even destroying THAAD’s radar system, so this is a ‘hard measure,’ normally implemented by a directed-energy weapon or laser weapon,” Song explained. “Apart from this, we can also make THAAD useless through electronic interference and feigned military activities, because such activities can interrupt the functioning of the THAAD system.”

Read more: China Is Determined To 'Blind' US Missile Defense Systems | The Daily Caller


Fact is there is a lot of stuff Beijing can't cyber steal...

“It is clear that there is no one in China who really knows the technical capability of THAAD and that’s part of the problem,” said Zhang Baohui, a Hong Kong-based mainland expert on China’s nuclear deterrent.

“THAAD’s full capabilities are secret so there is a real knowledge gap among Chinese strategists. If they are misplaced, they are at least genuine in their concern — they have to assume a worst case scenario.”

Chinese wary over U.S. THAAD missile system because capabilities unknown, experts say | The Japan Times


Game on. Probably over.