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15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley[W:39]

Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

ReverendHellh0und said:
Incorrect.

ANTIFA was started in the UK in 1985.

"black Bloc" was developed in Germany after the 1977 Brokdorf demonstration



ANTIFA is made up of leftists of various pedigrees, and the flag represents both the communist beliefs (red) and the anachists (black), it has no relation what so ever to the "Antifaschistische Aktion" of post world war II germany, which also was a communist in origin. ANTIFA attracts certain segments of subcultures from punks, skinheads, to soccer hooligans firms, clubs, whatever. Here in the US it sprang from SHARP, and ARA which both took an unfortunate far left turn towards communism, instead of bashing racists in our scene and simply enjoying the victory and enjoying shows. From there it became less "taboo" to be in a subculture and rich college kids glammed onto the ANTIFA badge and started doing hairy girl porn and getting face punched.
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Antifa clashed with the brown shirts, who disbanded in 1934, so they were not even post ww2, they were pre ww2. Second the antifa of pree ww2 is tied to the antifa of post ww2, they are all social antifascists, all with the same goals, and they all lack central leadership. The antifa current flag has been used since the end of ww2, and pre ww2 they were fighting brownshirts and were so agressive that apparently antifa was seen as the bad guys and brown shirts as the lesser evil.

Also to note the brownshirts and some modern antifa use the same jagged A logo, like they are completely unable to understand irony, or even use google.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

Absentglare said:
No, you may be confused or dishonest. I condemned both sides that sought violence many times now. Notice the bold? Now don't swing the goalposts violently to the excessive use of force the Nazi you're defending used when he sucker punched a 95 lb woman. Lol!
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See this is what I mean when I say excusing. You are portraying her as helpless when she brought weighted gloves and had a weapon in her hand. She also swung first. You deny your argument in the same post that you try to make it again.

Keep trying to whitewash.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

OpportunityCost said:
See this is what I mean when I say excusing. You are portraying her as helpless when she brought weighted gloves and had a weapon in her hand. She also swung first. You deny your argument in the same post that you try to make it again.

Keep trying to whitewash.
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I what universe does the big Nazi look like he's defending himself as he's charging after someone half his size?
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

beerftw said:
Antifa clashed with the brown shirts, who disbanded in 1934, so they were not even post ww2, they were pre ww2. Second the antifa of pree ww2 is tied to the antifa of post ww2, they are all social antifascists, all with the same goals, and they all lack central leadership. The antifa current flag has been used since the end of ww2, and pre ww2 they were fighting brownshirts and were so agressive that apparently antifa was seen as the bad guys and brown shirts as the lesser evil.

Also to note the brownshirts and some modern antifa use the same jagged A logo, like they are completely unable to understand irony, or even use google.
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I meant pre that's about the only thing you got right. The Wiki is wrong. it tries to relate groups 50 years separate as the same lineage, it is not. you could call it a "Revival" at best but there is no direct lineage to the "Antifaschistische Aktion" of the 1930's. That Wiki you seem to be geting your information from is also wrong. ANTIFA has been here long before trump.

ANTIFA philly 2012
https://phillyantifa.noblogs.org/

ANTIFA NYC 2010
https://nycantifa.wordpress.com/about-us/

Vice Article from 2004.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/skinheads-v11n10


I first heard of ANTIFA when it was called the AFA, and the ARA, and SHARP, back in the day you had actual fascists bonehead types in the hardcore/punk/oi music scenes and there was a need for this. since the early 90's it was all but driven out. what you see today, are not these people, but wannabe hammers looking for nails. The use of the name ANTIFA btw here in the usa rose concurrently with the rise of MLS soccer.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

calamity said:
I what universe does the big Nazi look like he's defending himself as he's charging after someone half his size?
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She's holding a bottle, bottles that ANTIFA were putting m80's in and throwing (that's an IED). She voluntarily engaged in combat and bragged about going to do so. They are both scum.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

ReverendHellh0und said:
She's holding a bottle, bottles that ANTIFA were putting m80's in and throwing (that's an IED). She voluntarily engaged in combat and bragged about going to do so. They are both scum.
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On the bold, we both agree.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

OpportunityCost said:
See this is what I mean when I say excusing. You are portraying her as helpless when she brought weighted gloves and had a weapon in her hand. She also swung first. You deny your argument in the same post that you try to make it again.

Keep trying to whitewash.
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Your argument is what- the neo-nazi is justified but she isn't?
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

Absentglare said:
Your argument is what- the neo-nazi is justified but she isn't?
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FINALLY. Neither is justified. Neither is innocent. Took you long enough.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

OpportunityCost said:
See this is what I mean when I say excusing. You are portraying her as helpless when she brought weighted gloves and had a weapon in her hand. She also swung first. You deny your argument in the same post that you try to make it again.

Keep trying to whitewash.
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That individual altercation was quite clearly one-sided. That is different than the groups that sought violence.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

Absentglare said:
That individual altercation was quite clearly one-sided. That is different than the groups that sought violence.
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Nope. She is brandishing weapons. You need to quit saying you are against both sides and make every single attempt possible to defend her when she is clearly ready and probably already did instigate violence against someone else.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

ReverendHellh0und said:
I meant pre that's about the only thing you got right. The Wiki is wrong. it tries to relate groups 50 years separate as the same lineage, it is not. you could call it a "Revival" at best but there is no direct lineage to the "Antifaschistische Aktion" of the 1930's. That Wiki you seem to be geting your information from is also wrong. ANTIFA has been here long before trump.

ANTIFA philly 2012
https://phillyantifa.noblogs.org/

ANTIFA NYC 2010
https://nycantifa.wordpress.com/about-us/

Vice Article from 2004.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/skinheads-v11n10


I first heard of ANTIFA when it was called the AFA, and the ARA, and SHARP, back in the day you had actual fascists bonehead types in the hardcore/punk/oi music scenes and there was a need for this. since the early 90's it was all but driven out. what you see today, are not these people, but wannabe hammers looking for nails. The use of the name ANTIFA btw here in the usa rose concurrently with the rise of MLS soccer.
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If you use sole lineage alone, no groups descended from any other antifa except maybe one or two. They are all seperate organizations working under the same philosophy and goals. However the original antifa was originally the iron front, which was a militant wing of germany's social democrats, basically the socialists version of the brownshirts. They did not become antifa until later, but until after ww2, they kept the 3 arrow symbol, which later was changed to the symbol in use today post war, which was the red and black flag.

To say one branched from another is in itself false, as they all seem to be seperate entities. However you mention the afa, they are among the most ruthless of the antifa groups, and ar known for using times and remote detonated firebombs.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

OpportunityCost said:
Nope. She is brandishing weapons. You need to quit saying you are against both sides and make every single attempt possible to defend her when she is clearly ready and probably already did instigate violence against someone else.
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She was wearing gloves and carrying a bottle. That doesn't really sound like it justifies being sucked punched by a former Marine.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

Absentglare said:
She was wearing gloves and carrying a bottle. That doesn't really sound like it justifies being sucked punched by a former Marine.
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Why are you so intent on making excuses for her? She was carrying a WEAPON and had (self admitted) weighted gloves on, you know the kind you use to injure people. I am not excusing his or her behavior but I am realistic enough to know neither is innocent in this, despite all your protestations to the contrary.

That's why I don't believe you are condemning both sides, because you keep trying, over and over, to make excuses for your (somewhat) fellow travelers.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

beerftw said:
If you use sole lineage alone, no groups descended from any other antifa except maybe one or two. They are all seperate organizations working under the same philosophy and goals. However the original antifa was originally the iron front, which was a militant wing of germany's social democrats, basically the socialists version of the brownshirts. They did not become antifa until later, but until after ww2, they kept the 3 arrow symbol, which later was changed to the symbol in use today post war, which was the red and black flag.

To say one branched from another is in itself false, as they all seem to be seperate entities. However you mention the afa, they are among the most ruthless of the antifa groups, and ar known for using times and remote detonated firebombs.
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The origin and meaning of the arrow symbol has always been in dispute. It was first seen in the US in the late 80's as it was adopted by numerous socialist groups masking as "anti-fascist" groups, though on a small scale.


The AFA fought actual nazis and fascists particularly the National Front and the BNP. This again was mainly through the underground music scene. In the US we were going through the same thing. AFA faded away and most started calling themselves ANTIFA.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

Absentglare said:
She was wearing gloves and carrying a bottle. That doesn't really sound like it justifies being sucked punched by a former Marine.
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She wasn't. She entered battle with a weapon, was actively engaged in the brawl. She bragged on facebook how she was going to bring home "nazi scalps". I'm still waiting for your apology btw.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

OpportunityCost said:
Why are you so intent on making excuses for her? She was carrying a WEAPON and had (self admitted) weighted gloves on, you know the kind you use to injure people. I am not excusing his or her behavior but I am realistic enough to know neither is innocent in this, despite all your protestations to the contrary.

That's why I don't believe you are condemning both sides, because you keep trying, over and over, to make excuses for your (somewhat) fellow travelers.
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Who did she injure with her "weapon"? Was she arrested?

You have no idea, do you?
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

Absentglare said:
Who did she injure with her "weapon"? Was she arrested?

You have no idea, do you?
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Your post is a special kind of stupid. If she is brandishing a weapon and appears ready to use it, she doesn't need to injure someone and she doesn't need to be arrested for it to be dangerous. Just quit making excuses, they are getting worse.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

ReverendHellh0und said:
The origin and meaning of the arrow symbol has always been in dispute. It was first seen in the US in the late 80's as it was adopted by numerous socialist groups masking as "anti-fascist" groups, though on a small scale.


The AFA fought actual nazis and fascists particularly the National Front and the BNP. This again was mainly through the underground music scene. In the US we were going through the same thing. AFA faded away and most started calling themselves ANTIFA.
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The arrow symbol was the iron front from pre ww2 to the antifa after the iron front changed it's name. Now if you mean in the us it probably did start around the 80's. Now in america they may have been around since the 80's, but I consider 2015 as the revival year of antifa in america, since that is when they became very public. Prior to recently they seemed to be more underground, during ww2 antifa in america was a small but existent movement, that faded away after the war, or perhaps just layed dormant for decades.

I believe afa and antifa were different countries versions of the same thing, infact take the german one and use just the first letters of the words, and it is afa.

Now tell me this, have you noticed these guys probably have no idea what symbols mean or where they came from, cuz every so often I still see someone with the jagged A brownshirt logo among antifa, like they had no idea what that symbol even meant while claiming to fight what that symbol stood for.
 
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Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

OpportunityCost said:
Your post is a special kind of stupid. If she is brandishing a weapon and appears ready to use it, she doesn't need to injure someone and she doesn't need to be arrested for it to be dangerous. Just quit making excuses, they are getting worse.
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So you don't actually know that she hit anyone or did anything wrong. Thank you for confirming your ignorance.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

Absentglare said:
So you don't actually know that she hit anyone or did anything wrong. Thank you for confirming your ignorance.
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Are you going to wait for someone to actually hit you with a weapon they are brandishing before you take action? That is ignorant.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

These guys are getting a lot more radical and violent by the day, they are now talking about combat training and using firearms to disrupt rallies after their recent defeat. Mind you it is now known the trump supporters came unarmed as the police told them they would defend them, but the police backed away when antifa showed up armed, it was basically a planned ambush.

Thing is the trump guys still came ahead even with the police dsarming the trump supporters and turning their backs as antifa came armed and let the mellee drag out before intervening. To add to this the mayor of berkely was uncovered as a member of bamn, which is an antifa group and also recognized by the fbi as a domestic terrorist group.

So what is coming to light is that the mayor of berkely has been helping them, and is tied to a terrorist organization that works side by side with antifa, which now makes sense why after the berkely riots over milo, the fbi began investigating the mayor, and bamn and antifa.

Mind you this is a breitbart link for one of them and blaze for another, both seem to be pieced together from other sources however.
Berkeley Mayor Is Member of Antifa Facebook Group that Organized Riots - Breitbart

Antifa wants combat training and firearms after losing the ‘Battle for Berkeley’ – TheBlaze

 
calamity said:
Actually understanding the actions of others is what tolerance is all about. :roll:
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:eye roll:

Understanding with Molotov cocktails. That's a new one. That's all liberals are. Fascists with smiles. "In the name of tolerance and understanding we are stopping you from having your own thoughts. You may only subscribe to our beliefs."
 
Reviewing more of the videos from april 15, it seems after the berkely police abandoned the trump supporters after telling them to remain unarmed then letting armed antifa attack the rally, nearly all the arrests shown were trump supporters, and antifa was pretty much allowed to walk away, despite video evidence showing many arrested were arrested for self defense.

Probably the most corrupt display of law enforcement in recent years, and raises questions of the mayor already tied to antifa and the terrorist org bamn using the local police as a means to attack his political enemies.
 
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