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15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley[W:39]

Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

Cigar said:
Actually, the Inconvenient-Truth is; Nazis Unanimously like Trump ... Enough Said.
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Actually, the Inconvenient-Truth is; these anti-Trump protesters are the ones carrying out fascistic tactics...Enough Said.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

Blue_State said:
Can't we just have a softball or football game to settle this? That would have a more positive aspect than these rallies.
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... and put it on ESPN on Wednesday Night :mrgreen:
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

Cigar said:
You'd probably be right if all you ever had was 25 hours of instruction.



Kinda like saying anyone who ever took drivers-ed isn't an expert driver. :lamo

Please proceed Governor, you're on a roll sport :mrgreen:
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How much high training did you do? scenario training? please describe what these entailed.



Are you suggesting that being able to competently defend yourself with that gun you carry requires no further training than dubious "25 hrs" of training somewhere?


Please do continue.
 
Fishking said:
I funny thing is that dreads were done by the Spartans (among others) so their complaints about cultural appropriation isn't even historically accurate.
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Thank you for this arcane bit of info; I didn't know this.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

Fishking said:
Oh yes...tell me how these violent leftists have no choice but to go out and violently attack people for saying words.
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The protrumps wanted to go to Berkeley because they wanted to show those Liberals a thing or two. Someone showed their poster to ANTIFA. The rest is now history.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

ReverendHellh0und said:
How much high training did you do? scenario training? please describe what these entailed.



Are you suggesting that being able to competently defend yourself with that gun you carry requires no further training than dubious "25 hrs" of training somewhere?


Please do continue.
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Holster Skills - 4 hours
  • Holstering
  • Tactical Low Ready
  • Malfunctions Tap and Rack
  • Reloading
  • Must place All hits in the 8 and 9 ring of the target at 12 feet.

Movement and Engagement Skills - 4 Hours
  • More Holstering
  • Tactical Low Ready
  • Malfunctions Tap and Rack
  • Reloading
  • Lateral Movement
  • Bent Elbow Shooting
  • Must place all hits on targets from 12 feet.
Firing from Cover - 4 Hours
  • Even More Holstering
  • Tactical Low Ready
  • Malfunctions Tap and Rack
  • Reloading
  • Lateral Movement
  • Proper Safe Shooting from Cover
  • Must place all hits on targets 8-9 ring. This Is NOT A Timed Event. No Bent Elbow Shooting. Amount of ammo used for Qualifying is based on the lowest ammo capacity of magazine being used in class.

Intro to Low Light Shooting - 8 Hours
  • ... and More Holstering
  • Tactical Low Ready
  • Malfunctions Tap and Rack
  • Reloading
  • Unassisted low light shooting
  • Assisted low light shooting
  • Low light malfunctions
  • Target identification and shooting after light impairment
  • Must place all hits on target. This Is NOT A Timed Event. No Bent Elbow Shooting.

Low Light Engagement - 4 Hours
  • ... and even more Holstering
  • Tactical Low Ready
  • Malfunctions Tap and Rack
  • Reloading
  • Unassisted low light shooting
  • Assisted low light shooting
  • Low light malfunctions
  • Shooting from cover
  • Engage target on the move to cover to cover
  • Must place all hits on target. This Is NOT A Timed Event. No Bent Elbow Shooting. Amount of ammo used for Qualifying is based on the lowest ammo capacity of magazine being used in class.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

Cigar said:
Holster Skills - 4 hours
  • Holstering
  • Tactical Low Ready
  • Malfunctions Tap and Rack
  • Reloading
  • Must place All hits in the 8 and 9 ring of the target at 12 feet.

Movement and Engagement Skills - 4 Hours
  • More Holstering
  • Tactical Low Ready
  • Malfunctions Tap and Rack
  • Reloading
  • Lateral Movement
  • Bent Elbow Shooting
  • Must place all hits on targets from 12 feet.
Firing from Cover - 4 Hours
  • Even More Holstering
  • Tactical Low Ready
  • Malfunctions Tap and Rack
  • Reloading
  • Lateral Movement
  • Proper Safe Shooting from Cover
  • Must place all hits on targets 8-9 ring. This Is NOT A Timed Event. No Bent Elbow Shooting. Amount of ammo used for Qualifying is based on the lowest ammo capacity of magazine being used in class.

Intro to Low Light Shooting - 8 Hours
  • ... and More Holstering
  • Tactical Low Ready
  • Malfunctions Tap and Rack
  • Reloading
  • Unassisted low light shooting
  • Assisted low light shooting
  • Low light malfunctions
  • Target identification and shooting after light impairment
  • Must place all hits on target. This Is NOT A Timed Event. No Bent Elbow Shooting.

Low Light Engagement - 4 Hours
  • ... and even more Holstering
  • Tactical Low Ready
  • Malfunctions Tap and Rack
  • Reloading
  • Unassisted low light shooting
  • Assisted low light shooting
  • Low light malfunctions
  • Shooting from cover
  • Engage target on the move to cover to cover
  • Must place all hits on target. This Is NOT A Timed Event. No Bent Elbow Shooting. Amount of ammo used for Qualifying is based on the lowest ammo capacity of magazine being used in class.
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So you believe this taught you how to fight and defend yourself with a pistol?
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

ReverendHellh0und said:
So you believe this taught you how to fight and defend yourself with a pistol?
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Confidance & Believes have little to do with Motor Reaction, Skill and Accuracy.

I personally couldn't care less what anyone thinks, it has little to do with my reality.

... and yes, compared to an individual who maybe shoots once or twice a month at something that doesn't move at a range.

Once again, this isn't a Dick Measuring Contest, it is what it is, and that all that it is. I'm not trying to impress anyone, I just telling you what it is.

Your mileage may vary ... but remember, you're the one who asked the question, so I answered it.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

d0gbreath said:
The protrumps wanted to go to Berkeley because they wanted to show those Liberals a thing or two. Someone showed their poster to ANTIFA. The rest is now history.
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Yes, the rest is history, that history being that violent leftists are violent and it's becoming more and more the norm for them to use the tactics of actual fascists in an ironic attempt to stop fascists.
 
Fishking said:
Yeah, you're right. I mean, it's always defensive when the other person talks about going to get 100 scalps, wears mettle-studded gloves, and punches someone in the throat. Those are all the tell-tail traits of a defensive posture.
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Is "mettle-studded gloves" a Freudian slip?
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

Cigar said:
Confidance & Believes have little to do with Motor Reaction, Skill and Accuracy.

I personally couldn't care less what anyone thinks, it has little to do with my reality.

... and yes, compared to an individual who maybe shoots once or twice a month at something that doesn't move at a range.

Once again, this isn't a Dick Measuring Contest, it is what it is, and that all that it is. I'm not trying to impress anyone, I just telling you what it is.

Your mileage may vary ... but remember, you're the one who asked the question, so I answered it.
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Nothing to do with dicks, bro.


You are fooling yourself, you need to do hours upon hours of training. Muscle memory "motor reaction" doesn't happen in 25 hrs. You also need to shoot under stress without the ear plugs and glasses.


Do you know what really happens if you get in a gun fight in the middle of the night? That first shot you are blind and deaf, now what, hero? run through your course again, this time, lose the glasses and ear plugs, turn out the lights, and have someone shoot random paintballs at you while you try to pass thier "test". That's real training.


If you want some real courses that will teach you as best as possible how to fight and defend yourself with a gun, let me know, there are a ton of places. What you went through is not what you think it is.


No judgment bro. Just These are things I know something about.


Holster drills and shooting stationary cardboard targets from "cover" (was it cover or concealment, do you know the diff?), does not prepare you for t
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

ReverendHellh0und said:
Nothing to do with dicks, bro.


You are fooling yourself, you need to do hours upon hours of training. Muscle memory "motor reaction" doesn't happen in 25 hrs. You also need to shoot under stress without the ear plugs and glasses.


Do you know what really happens if you get in a gun fight in the middle of the night? That first shot you are blind and deaf, now what, hero? run through your course again, this time, lose the glasses and ear plugs, turn out the lights, and have someone shoot random paintballs at you while you try to pass thier "test". That's real training.


If you want some real courses that will teach you as best as possible how to fight and defend yourself with a gun, let me know, there are a ton of places. What you went through is not what you think it is.


No judgment bro. Just These are things I know something about.


Holster drills and shooting stationary cardboard targets from "cover" (was it cover or concealment, do you know the diff?), does not prepare you for t
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cover is something that stops bullets, concealment just hides you
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

Fishking said:
Yes, the rest is history, that history being that violent leftists are violent and it's becoming more and more the norm for them to use the tactics of actual fascists in an ironic attempt to stop fascists.
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To me it's dumb. To the fascists on both sides it's important. Maybe the Cops should show up early and give everyone tickets to a Giants game if they leave peacefully.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

d0gbreath said:
To me it's dumb. To the fascists on both sides it's important. Maybe the Cops should show up early and give everyone tickets to a Giants game if they leave peacefully.
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They just need to lock people up for initiating violence or committing property damage and charge them with more serious crimes.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

d0gbreath said:
To me it's dumb. To the fascists on both sides it's important. Maybe the Cops should show up early and give everyone tickets to a Giants game if they leave peacefully.
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Or maybe when there is no permit to hold a march, disperse people, and if they won't disperse peacefully, arrest them.

It only takes a few bad apples to ruin it for everyone. And there will be a point where Mayor's of these cities will grow tired of the cost these malcontents cost.
 
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What ANTIFA learned that day, was they are not the mighty force they thought they were.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

j-mac said:
Or maybe when there is no permit to hold a march, disperse people, and if they won't disperse peacefully, arrest them.

It only takes a few bad apples to ruin it for everyone. And there will be a point where Mayor's of these cities will grow tired of the cost these malcontents cost.
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In situations like this the police should stop and document everybody in the area that has their face covered.

That would slow down the anonymous people from getting away with violence.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

Mason66 said:
In situations like this the police should stop and document everybody in the area that has their face covered.

That would slow down the anonymous people from getting away with violence.
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Yeah, I think that people showing up to these things with their faces covered are there for no good. They should be preemptively targeted for arrest by police before they can do anything....
 
nota bene said:
From CBS News:
BERKELEY, Calif. -- Police say at least 15 people have been arrested after violence broke out Saturday between groups of supporters and detractors of President Trump holding rallies in downtown Berkeley, California.

Nearly 200 people were at Berkeley’s Martin Luther King Jr. Civic Center Park when several people started pushing each other. Dozens of police officers in riot gear were standing nearby and quickly arrested one man.

In a statement, the Berkeley Police Department said that a large number of fights continued and that they are anticipating more arrests. Berkeley protests: 15 arrested as pro- and anti-Trump demonstrators clash - CBS News

I just don't understand why some simply can't allow peaceful assembly to happen.

I've read that neither group filed for a permit. But even if both groups had, I think this would have happened.
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I would think law enforcement would arrest those protesters that have masks and clubs at gatherings . :confused: I was under the impression one was NOTallowed to wear masks to hide their identity when at gatherings .
 



This is from the april 3rd protests, at 3:31, cop drops antifa scum without spilling his coffee.... #likeaboss
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

j-mac said:
Or maybe when there is no permit to hold a march, disperse people, and if they won't disperse peacefully, arrest them.

It only takes a few bad apples to ruin it for everyone. And there will be a point where Mayor's of these cities will grow tired of the cost these malcontents cost.
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While that may prove to be true, Berkeley is just a bridge away from SF. Those people expect strange an weird stuff. Think Louie-Louie annual parade.
 
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j-mac said:
Yeah, I think that people showing up to these things with their faces covered are there for no good. They should be preemptively targeted for arrest by police before they can do anything....
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Hey, that's exactly what they want. Escalation. Talk about a fluid situation- it would be like trying to trap a blob of mercury under the ball of your thumb.
 
Re: 15 arrested as violence breaks out at dueling Trump protests in Berkeley

j-mac said:
Yeah, I think that people showing up to these things with their faces covered are there for no good. They should be preemptively targeted for arrest by police before they can do anything....
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Like this guy? KEK fan.jpg
 
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