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Trump says NATO no longer 'obsolete'

Trump reverses position, says NATO is 'no longer obsolete' - CNNPolitics.com



Very glad to hear this. As a member of the US Armed Forces I have had nothing but good experience with our NATO allies and look forward to further cooperation with them. NATO has it's flaws, but it is still a powerful organization and capable of doing great good. I look forward to many more years of mutual cooperation and defense with our NATO allies.

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He is only learning. But so have the Europeans. They now know that the clock is ticking on their free riding and that NATO as it was is obsolete. They must shoulder more financial and political burden as well as physical and visible responsibility for enforcement. This is totally antithetical to the beliefs that some countries have been nurturing in their populations. It will be hard for the elites to do their part in the NATO they have pledged to. The entrenched beliefs as misinformed as they are will require will require considerable effort to overcome.
 
Yes, The Donald has been brought to heel. Good boy Donald, good boy. :lol:
 
Well done Trump for turning NATO around. In the few short months he's been president, NATO has gone from an obsolete organisation to one that's competent and ready to fight ISIS. That's what I call leadership. :applaud

I don't really think it is a "reversal" as much as a step in a long and difficult negotiation of shifting more of the security load onto the shoulders of more NATO members.
 
Yes, The Donald has been brought to heel. Good boy Donald, good boy. :lol:

In this case it seems to be going as planned. The major question is, whether he can actually get the other members to honor their testy commitments on spending and sharing the burden of maintaining security.
 
I wonder what subjects Trump is going to flip flop on today?

What a buffoon....a thin skinned, spineless, flip flopping buffoon.

It's like having a permanently jonesing, drug addict in the White House....running around completely clueless, desperately trying to get his political 'fix'.


Once again, I have ZERO loyalty to any political party or movement.

I don't read this as a flipflop. It is part of the negotiation.
 
I don't read this as a flipflop. It is part of the negotiation.

It is part of the evolution of Donald's behavior as POTUS, that's all. Having never been there before, he's learning to cooperate and graduate, and stay in office.
 
It is part of the evolution of Donald's behavior as POTUS, that's all. Having never been there before, he's learning to cooperate and graduate, and stay in office.

He is actually learning faster, than i would have expected.
 
We should've had Dr. Ben Carson as our President, but never another Windsor related to king john person please ever again.. can we stop with these Lizard presidents..

Pres. Ben Carson...:lamo

That's just as hilarious (but not as scary) as Pres. Donald Trump.
 
ISIS isn't a real threat to Americans but Russia, China, North Korea & Iran (possibly) are since they have nuclear weapons and are anti-American aggression. The 50 cruise missile attack and posturing towards NK, forced China to put 150k troops in NK & made Russia move warships towards our coast with increase tensions to raise the DEFCON Alert status & force Secretary of State Rex to make comments about USA and Russia ties being at an all time low, and it being a bad thing for all.

I think Trump needs NATO because he fears a WW3 is possible should he attack North Korea (which he doesn't need a declaration of war from congress because we are only in a cease fire for the last 50+ years).

The last part caught my interest. This has been debated for years whether or not a sitting president in a post-Korean War/Vietnam War era could simply dust off old war power resolutions pertaining to either of these two conflicts or if the POTUS could just use the War Powers Act to re-convene the use of military force. The debate continues, but I think either would be leverage the POTUS could use as justification to fully commit our armed forces in either theater of operations. But let's save that for another debate. (In fact, I encourage you to do so. :applaud )
 
It is part of the evolution of Donald's behavior as POTUS, that's all. Having never been there before, he's learning to cooperate and graduate, and stay in office.

And sometime in the future he will change his mind again. :roll:

The guy's an idiot.
 
This,of course, assumes NK is a rational actor.

Of all the nations in the world, I think it's clear that no nation is more irrational than NK.
I disagree. NK is rational -- they are just operating from a very different perspective and conditions than most other nations.

The government is terrified that they will be overthrown by the US. Given that the US has basically wanted regime change since the 1950s, and often takes steps that harm NK and its government, it is perfectly rational for them to fear the US.

They rarely go on the offensive; when they do, it's not as a pretext for a larger war. It's more to extort money out of SK, China and/or the US. For example, a few years ago they made demands for huge amounts of food and money to come to the table with SK. When their demands were not met, they sunk an SK naval vessel.

They are pursuing nuclear weapons for what should be an obvious purpose: To prevent an invasion by the US. The US would never have invaded Iraq or Afghanistan if they had nukes, and that's exactly the fate they want to avoid.

Meanwhile, their isolationism gives them significant control over the population; it keeps their enemies guessing; and the leaders still get all the consumer goods they want.

We see their government as irrational and unreliable and unpredictable... which is how their government sees the US. Even with relatively normal leaders like Bush 43 or Obama, there is no way for them to be sure the US won't turn them into a punching bag, in order to distract the American people from some other issue, or to "look tough," or because of a news article.

Ultimately, labeling NK as "crazy" makes it impossible to understand their motivations. I don't see how that's useful.
 
I disagree. NK is rational -- they are just operating from a very different perspective and conditions than most other nations.

The government is terrified that they will be overthrown by the US. Given that the US has basically wanted regime change since the 1950s, and often takes steps that harm NK and its government, it is perfectly rational for them to fear the US.

They rarely go on the offensive; when they do, it's not as a pretext for a larger war. It's more to extort money out of SK, China and/or the US. For example, a few years ago they made demands for huge amounts of food and money to come to the table with SK. When their demands were not met, they sunk an SK naval vessel.

They are pursuing nuclear weapons for what should be an obvious purpose: To prevent an invasion by the US. The US would never have invaded Iraq or Afghanistan if they had nukes, and that's exactly the fate they want to avoid.

Meanwhile, their isolationism gives them significant control over the population; it keeps their enemies guessing; and the leaders still get all the consumer goods they want.

We see their government as irrational and unreliable and unpredictable... which is how their government sees the US. Even with relatively normal leaders like Bush 43 or Obama, there is no way for them to be sure the US won't turn them into a punching bag, in order to distract the American people from some other issue, or to "look tough," or because of a news article.

Ultimately, labeling NK as "crazy" makes it impossible to understand their motivations. I don't see how that's useful.

Point taken.

I guess what I really mean by irrational is that the entire nation exists to keep the dictator in power. The populace is so cut off from the rest of the world, they'll never revolt, like a rational populace might.
 
Trump reverses position, says NATO is 'no longer obsolete' - CNNPolitics.com

Very glad to hear this. As a member of the US Armed Forces I have had nothing but good experience with our NATO allies and look forward to further cooperation with them. NATO has it's flaws, but it is still a powerful organization and capable of doing great good. I look forward to many more years of mutual cooperation and defense with our NATO allies.
I've also worked with NATO forces and found it a very rewarding experience. It's good to hear that Trump has changed his position regarding the alliance.
 
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