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Susan Rice takes heat for past claims on Syria chemical weapons purge

Moot said:
Who did Rice unmask?
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That's a good question. So far it's still classified so we don't really know other than they were US Citizens because that's what Rice herself has said. We don't know if they were part of the Trump Administration or Transition Team as a fact, we just have Nunes word that he saw that it was, then he backed off and said he wasn't sure who they were. The reason he backed off, IMO, is because he figured out that he was revealing classified information and could get in serious trouble for doing so. All we know at this point is that the unmasking happened, and that she requested it be done.

Here's the progression of her statements from "I know nothing about this ..." to "... it was important to find out or request the information as to who that US official was ..." and she goes on trying to spin it after it was disclosed that it was her that requested the unmasking, and she says she didn't do anything with the information, but yet somehow it turned up in the intelligence community's PDB. Notice that she says the report would say "US Person" and then she says it was important to find out who the "US Official" was. That seemed like a potentially very telling slip to me.

It needs to be investigated to see why she requested the unmasking, and why she lied about not knowing anything about the unmasking earlier when it was in fact her that did it. The results of the investigation will tell us if what she did was legal or not. At this point, it appears to be a violation of the 4th Amendment protections of those she asked that their names be unmasked since those names ended up in intel briefings given to the President (what Nunes was raising hell about). Although it doesn't look good for her at all right now, I will wait until after the investigation is complete to say if she's guilty or not.

 
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Beaudreaux said:
That's a good question. So far it's still classified so we don't really know other than they were US Citizens because that's what Rice herself has said. We don't know if they were part of the Trump Administration or Transition Team as a fact, we just have Nunes word that he saw that it was, then he backed off and said he wasn't sure who they were. The reason he backed off, IMO, is because he figured out that he was revealing classified information and could get in serious trouble for doing so. All we know at this point is that the unmasking happened, and that she requested it be done.

Here's the progression of her statements from "I know nothing about this ..." to "... it was important to find out or request the information as to as to who that US official was ..." and she goes on trying to spin it after it was disclosed that it was her that requested the unmasking, and she says she didn't do anything with the information, but yet somehow it turned up in the intelligence community's PDB. It needs to be investigated to see why she requested the unmasking, and why she lied about not knowing anything about the unmasking earlier when it was in fact her that did it. The results of the investigation will tell us if what she did was legal or not. At this point, it appears to be a violation of the 4th Amendment protections of those she asked that their names be unmasked since those names ended up in intel briefings given to the President (what Nunes was raising hell about). Although it doesn't look good for her at all right now, I will wait until after the investigation is complete to say if she's guilty or not.

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Actually we do know. Rice only unmasked one name on the Trump transition team and it hasn't been leaked or declassifed. So what exactly did she do wrong?


"...The GOP official told the Wall Street Journal that two members of the Trump transition team had been unmasked by intelligence reports reviewed by Republican lawmakers on the House Intelligence Committee.

One of them is Flynn, and the other transition team member hasn’t been publicly identified.

The GOP official, who the Journal said was familiar with deliberations by fellow Republicans on the intelligence committee, said Rice had requested the unmasking of at least one transition team member, but Flynn was not among them...."

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/su...bers-but-not-flynn-according-to-gop-official/​
 
Moot said:
Actually we do know. Rice only unmasked one name on the Trump transition team and it hasn't been leaked or declassifed. So what exactly did she do wrong?


"...The GOP official told the Wall Street Journal that two members of the Trump transition team had been unmasked by intelligence reports reviewed by Republican lawmakers on the House Intelligence Committee.

One of them is Flynn, and the other transition team member hasn’t been publicly identified.

The GOP official, who the Journal said was familiar with deliberations by fellow Republicans on the intelligence committee, said Rice had requested the unmasking of at least one transition team member, but Flynn was not among them...."

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/04/su...bers-but-not-flynn-according-to-gop-official/​
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No, we do not know, because it is still in fact classified. There's lots of speculation out there, but no hard facts, because it's classified.

The story in the link you provided is trying to combine reports from two different and separate news agencies and use that to fill in blanks. So, it's not even original reporting, and they make assumptions not in the record and then report them as though they are fact.
 
Beaudreaux said:
No, we do not know, because it is still in fact classified. There's lots of speculation out there, but no hard facts, because it's classified.

The story in the link you provided is trying to combine reports from two different and separate news agencies and use that to fill in blanks. So, it's not even original reporting, and they make assumptions not in the record and then report them as though they are fact.
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We know she had the legal authority to unmask names and the one name on the Trump transition team that she did unmask is still classified. Yet, she's being accused of making spreadsheets and leaking the unmasked names. So where's the proof of those accusations?
 
Moot said:
We know she had the legal authority to unmask names
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We know that she had the power to do so only under strict circumstances, and I can't for the life of me seeing how a Trump Administration official would be saying anything that could be deemed by her to be a threat to the national security of the nation. That's what it would take for her to unmask them.
Moot said:
and the one name on the Trump transition team that she did unmask is still classified.
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You see, here's the thing, we don't KNOW that. It has been reported as being said by an unnamed official. We know it's being reported, but we do not KNOW that it is true or accurate.
Moot said:
Yet, she's being accused of making spreadsheets and leaking the unmasked names.
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Making spreadsheets? I think you've misunderstood what she is being accused of doing. She is being accused of doing searches of databases that already exist, and then requesting the unmasking of people that their conversations meet the criteria for which she searched. You have to understand how the information is stored and how it is used. She didn't make a spreadsheet (well she could have, but I have no idea why she would), she searched a database for key words.
Moot said:
So where's the proof of those accusations?
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I didn't make any accusations. Especially accusations of things I've never said she did, and haven't even heard anyone say she did, except by you above. I said that she admitted requesting unmasking, because she admitted it herself, and I gave you the video of her saying just that.
 
Moot said:
We know she had the legal authority to unmask names and the one name on the Trump transition team that she did unmask is still classified. Yet, she's being accused of making spreadsheets and leaking the unmasked names. So where's the proof of those accusations?
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Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.
 
Beaudreaux said:
We know that she had the power to do so only under strict circumstances, and I can't for the life of me seeing how a Trump Administration official would be saying anything that could be deemed by her to be a threat to the national security of the nation. That's what it would take for her to unmask them. You see, here's the thing, we don't KNOW that. It has been reported as being said by an unnamed official. We know it's being reported, but we do not KNOW that it is true or accurate. Making spreadsheets? I think you've misunderstood what she is being accused of doing. She is being accused of doing searches of databases that already exist, and then requesting the unmasking of people that their conversations meet the criteria for which she searched. You have to understand how the information is stored and how it is used. She didn't make a spreadsheet (well she could have, but I have no idea why she would), she searched a database for key words. I didn't make any accusations. Especially accusations of things I've never said she did, and haven't even heard anyone say she did, except by you above. I said that she admitted requesting unmasking, because she admitted it herself, and I gave you the video of her saying just that.
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For the life of you, unless you're the national security adviser... how would you know what constitutes a national security risk or know what she needed to know? The name she requested unmasked was caught under the surveillance of a foreigner. As the top national security advisor she had the authority and legal right to unmask that name.

Sooo....we KNOW she didn't illegally unmask any names...and we know she didn't leak any names that she did unmask to the press. So what is the problem?
 
American said:
She was a sneaky, lying, incompetent boob.
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Sneaky and lying. Yes. Incompetent? No, I don't think so.

Rice is being a very competent partisan hack measuring every decision and every action through the lens of partisan politics.
Morals, truth and honesty just never come into play, as is the same with many swamp creatures.
 
Jack Hays said:
I know. Go to the personal insult when you have no argument. Rice's past is why she's not believed now.
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Tu quoque. Thats the same reason that nobody believes you, either...jack.
 
Moot said:
That is the REAL question here and making it about Rice is nothing but another diversion to protect Putin.

Trump forewarned the Russians and they in turn warned the Syrians so by the time the missiles landed ...the airport was emptied and the only thing that got damaged was few empty hangers. But hey, it looked good on TV.
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Russia Today was showing footage which "proving" how superficial the damage was.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Russia Today was showing footage which "proving" how superficial the damage was.
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All the videos show are damaged empty hangers...and the runway left in tact....what a joke.
 
Jack Hays said:
As you wish. I'm happy to rest on a "likes" comparison.
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Yeah, and they're all from the same know nothings in the environmental forum...wow. :roll:
 
Manc Skipper said:
Russia Today was showing footage which "proving" how superficial the damage was.
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Moot said:
All the videos show are damaged empty hangers...and the runway left in tact....what a joke.
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Syria missile attack: Satellite photos show major damage to airfields ...

www.foxnews.com/.../syria-missile-attack-satellite-photos-show-major-damage-to-airfiel...
3 hours ago - Satellite images of the Syrian air base that was pounded with 59 U.S. Tomahawk missiles show large-scale destruction Friday to airfields, ...

[FONT=&quot]Satellite images released Friday of the Syrian air base that was pounded with 59 U.S. Tomahawk missiles show large-scale destruction to airfields, planes and fueling facilities allegedly used by the Assad regime to mount chemical weapons attacks.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]However, the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported that Syrian warplanes were able to take off from the base and carry out airstrikes in the countryside near Homs. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Shayrat air base was "almost completely destroyed" by the barrage of 1,000-pound warheads launched from the Eastern Mediterranean Sea early Friday, according to a human rights group in the country.[/FONT]





 
Moot said:
That is the REAL question here and making it about Rice is nothing but another diversion to protect Putin.

Trump forewarned the Russians and they in turn warned the Syrians so by the time the missiles landed ...the airport was emptied and the only thing that got damaged was few empty hangers. But hey, it looked good on TV.
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Protect Putin from what? The man WANTS Asaad in office.
They let Russia know because it's a pretty good idea for them to know when 5 dozen missles are flying around the vicinity of their troops.
But then again, Obama WELCOMED the Russian involvement in Syria. Russian troops are in Syria because of Obama. Kind of absurd to be talking about Trumps motivation at this point.
 
Moot said:
For the life of you, unless you're the national security adviser... how would you know what constitutes a national security risk or know what she needed to know? The name she requested unmasked was caught under the surveillance of a foreigner. As the top national security advisor she had the authority and legal right to unmask that name.

Sooo....we KNOW she didn't illegally unmask any names...and we know she didn't leak any names that she did unmask to the press. So what is the problem?
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Was her leaking names in the pursuit of an act of good faith? Or was it done for partisan political purposes?
 
Moot said:
It looks more like Russia lied and didn't fulfill it's end of the agreement.
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An ex KGB guy didn't honor an agreement? What a shock. I guess it is time to reset the reset.
 
Jack Hays said:
http://in.reuters.com/article/mideast-crisis-syria-damage-idINKBN1790Q9[h=3]Syrian air base suffers major damage due to US strikes - Russia's RIA[/h]Reuters-16 hours ago
Shayrat Airfield in Homs, Syria is seen in this DigitalGlobe satellite image on February 18, 2017 and released by the U.S. Defense Department ...
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"...Two Syrian jets took off today from the air base that was hit by U.S. missiles and carried out strikes on areas under ISIS control in the countryside of eastern Homs, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

The Syrian government responded to Thursday night's U.S. strike on its Shaayrat air base by quickly fixing the base and allowing the two planes to take off from there, the human rights organization said.

A U.S. official said Syrian planes took off from the base today but did not confirm the action taken by the plane...."

Syrian jets take off from air base hit by US - ABC News​
 
Moot said:
"...Two Syrian jets took off today from the air base that was hit by U.S. missiles and carried out strikes on areas under ISIS control in the countryside of eastern Homs, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

The Syrian government responded to Thursday night's U.S. strike on its Shaayrat air base by quickly fixing the base and allowing the two planes to take off from there, the human rights organization said.

A U.S. official said Syrian planes took off from the base today but did not confirm the action taken by the plane...."

Syrian jets take off from air base hit by US - ABC News​
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Yes, and . . . . ?
 
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