FCC Chief Ajit Pai Develops Plans to Roll Back Net Neutrality Rules

[FONT=&quot]Mr. Pai’s plans likely would reverse that reclassification eventually, so the FTC again would have jurisdiction over the telecommunications carriers. To preserve the basic tenets of net neutrality, the plans would require broadband providers to pledge to abide by net neutrality principles such as no blocking or paid prioritization of internet traffic. That would allow the FTC to go after violators for deceptive or unfair trade practices.[/FONT]

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/fcc-ch...-to-roll-back-net-neutrality-rules-1491527590

Oh look, he wants to move ISP's back to the FTC and set the rules to prevent paid fast lanes...

Terrible of him, how dare he think less government regulation and oversight could work!

Renae said:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fcc-ch...-to-roll-back-net-neutrality-rules-1491527590

Oh look, he wants to move ISP's back to the FTC and set the rules to prevent paid fast lanes...

Terrible of him, how dare he think less government regulation and oversight could work!

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I'll never get some Americans when it come to being this overwhelmingly pro-business.

Like I get being pro-business, but pro-business to the point where you're supporting something so clearly and unrepentantly anti-consumer and anti-competition... There's just something wrong with your worldview at that point.

Jetboogieman said:

I'll never get some Americans when it come to being this overwhelmingly pro-business.

Like I get being pro-business, but pro-business to the point where you're supporting something so clearly and unrepentantly anti-consumer and anti-competition... There's just something wrong with your worldview at that point.

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You say that but can't say how or why what he' actually doing is bad, you just parrot the pro-government action goonsquads words they TELL you to say.

Jetboogieman said:

I'll never get some Americans when it come to being this overwhelmingly pro-business.

Like I get being pro-business, but pro-business to the point where you're supporting something so clearly and unrepentantly anti-consumer and anti-competition... There's just something wrong with your worldview at that point.

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Republican politicians: "We're going to make sure your internet provider can sell your browsing history, and we made it illegal for local municipalities to set up their own isps in competition with large corporate isps. Also, you can't see who visits the White House, we're waving away ethics rules for White House advisers and you can't see the President's tax returns."

Republican voters: "Yayyyyy!!"

Just weird.

Renae said:

you just parrot the pro-government action goonsquads words they TELL you to say.

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It's incredible, this whole thing won't help the consumer, it won't help competition, it won't help anyone actually, except a few fat cats who own the large corporate ISP's... And you want to go on about government.

Renae said:

You say that but can't say how or why what he' actually doing is bad, you just parrot the pro-government action goonsquads words they TELL you to say.

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We've repeatedly described to you why ending net-neutrality is anti-competitive and anti-consumer. You ignore it every time. "It's pro-government" is just handwaving. You can't say why ending net-neutrality benefits customers.

Deuce said:

We've repeatedly described to you why ending net-neutrality is anti-competitive and anti-consumer. You ignore it every time. "It's pro-government" is just handwaving. You can't say why ending net-neutrality benefits customers.

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I thought we actually just had a whole thread on this topic in which the folks from your camp couldn't even manage a simple explanation of how the Internet works or demonstrate a basic grasp of the regulations in question.

That was on this forum, wasn't it?

JMaximus said:

I thought we actually just had a whole thread on this topic in which the folks from your camp couldn't even manage a simple explanation of how the Internet works or demonstrate a basic grasp of the regulations in question.

That was on this forum, wasn't it?

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This forum has lots of posts and may or may not contain what you vaguely describe.

Since the OP's article is locked behind a pay wall, I had to go elsewhere to try to find a description of what the article actually said. Basically it seems like...

Internet should be a service, not a utility <--- One of my biggest splits with Republicans in this day and age. Suggesting that access to the internet is in any way different to access to telephone service in this modern world is, frankly, ridiculous.

The FCC isn't good enough on privacy, the FTC will do better with it <---- says the guy who was supportive of the party basically going "Hey, remember that privacy you guys had from your ISP selling every single thing you do to people? Yeah, that's cute, it's gone". Truly, I have a ton of faith in Republicans like this individual having a concern about my "privacy" :roll:

We'll make the telecomms pinky promise to adhere to net neutrality standards <---- Yeah, I'm sure that will work and last. Because you know, pseudo-monopolies with significant influence with the government are TOTALLY trustworthy to keep their words on something like this.

Ultimately, the move is pretty much inevitable and it's in a "wait and see" type of model. But considering the actions Republicans have already taken on this...such as the horrible move in terms of the privacy rules and the tone deaf and unrealistic defenses of it given in some town halls recently...I don't have a lot of hope.

But no...no, I'm sureeeeee this will "spur competition", because a util-...sorry "service" like this has such a low cost of entry. I mean, sure...tiny incompetent companies without any real capital like that weird "google" are finding it exceedingly difficult to actually get off the ground with an ISP competitor. But you know, I'm sure random local small businesses will have better ability to do it then such an inconsequential tiny business like them.

Jetboogieman said:

It's incredible, this whole thing won't help the consumer, it won't help competition, it won't help anyone actually, except a few fat cats who own the large corporate ISP's... And you want to go on about government.

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You claim this, but it's basically moving back to less government control of the Internet, less interference. Damn that bastard for letting the markets work and not trying to legislate business!

Renae said:

You claim this, but it's basically moving back to less government control of the Internet, less interference. Damn that bastard for letting the markets work and not trying to legislate business!

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Yeah, and in Econ 101 Ayn Rand world, that would work out great. But in the real world, real market competition in internet providers is quite limited. "Letting the markets work" would be a wonderful idea if starting up a competing business didn't cost billions of dollars and require tearing up the streets.

More than a quarter of Americans have only one wired broadband provider. Another third have only two.

Tell me what your free market solution is.


And by the way, net neutrality is "government control" that requires less control of content. Ensuring that the content is free and open competition as much as possible. Surely competition of the content is important to the free market.

Jetboogieman said:

It's incredible, this whole thing won't help the consumer, it won't help competition, it won't help anyone actually, except a few fat cats who own the large corporate ISP's... And you want to go on about government.

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How (be specific) will net neutrality help the consumer?

Deuce said:

Yeah, and in Econ 101 Ayn Rand world, that would work out great. But in the real world, real market competition in internet providers is quite limited. "Letting the markets work" would be a wonderful idea if starting up a competing business didn't cost billions of dollars and require tearing up the streets.

More than a quarter of Americans have only one wired broadband provider. Another third have only two.

Tell me what your free market solution is.


And by the way, net neutrality is "government control" that requires less control of content. Ensuring that the content is free and open competition as much as possible. Surely competition of the content is important to the free market.

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Are you saying that net neutrality will deregulate the industry?

apdst said:

Are you saying that net neutrality will deregulate the industry?

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Less control of the content by the ISP. (thereby letting the market and content creators decide content more openly) It's a regulation that improves market competition of the content with only mild inconvenience to the ISP. Given how important internet content is to our economy, I find that an acceptable cost.

I hope this helps your confusion.

You guys realize that the removal of net neutrality would enable your ISP to charge this website a fee in order to display webpages quickly? Why would anybody support that?

Deuce said:

Less control of the content by the ISP. (thereby letting the market and content creators decide content more openly) It's a regulation that improves market competition of the content with only mild inconvenience to the ISP. Given how important internet content is to our economy, I find that an acceptable cost.

I hope this helps your confusion.

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You don't implement a regulation to deregulate an industry.

Gaea said:

You guys realize that the removal of net neutrality would enable your ISP to charge this website a fee in order to display webpages quickly? Why would anybody support that?

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You think this website is free?

apdst said:

You think this website is free?

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When did I say that?

Gaea said:

When did I say that?

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What'd you mean, then?

apdst said:

What'd you mean, then?

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This website doesn't pay money to your ISP. It pays money to vBulletin to host this site.

Removing net neutrality will allow your ISP to charge money to websites in exchange for faster page displaying. Net neutrality prevents them from throttling access to websites that don't pay your ISP money.

Gaea said:

This website doesn't pay money to your ISP. It pays money to vBulletin to host this site.

Removing net neutrality will allow your ISP to charge money to websites in exchange for faster page displaying. Net neutrality prevents them from throttling access to websites that don't pay your ISP money.

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It still costs money.

Gaea said:

Removing net neutrality will allow your ISP to charge money to websites in exchange for faster page displaying. Net neutrality prevents them from throttling access to websites that don't pay your ISP money.

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And?

What alternative do you propose?

Believe it or not *big shocker* the title of that article is *get this* MISLEADING*

The FCC is why American internet sucks. Due to overwhelming taxes and regulations on ISPs and other communication infrastructure, our internet is slower and more expensive than the rest of the developed world. (Google it)

Anyways, the goal of this is to return regulation to the FTC, so we can remove taxes on the ISPs and allow them to expand and advance.

This will not do away with net neutrality.

apdst said:

You don't implement a regulation to deregulate an industry.

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I never used the word deregulation. I thought my clarification would help you there.

Net neutrality is a regulation that improves competition in internet content. What part of my stance are you still confused about?

RealOklahoman said:

Believe it or not *big shocker* the title of that article is *get this* MISLEADING*

The FCC is why American internet sucks. Due to overwhelming taxes and regulations on ISPs and other communication infrastructure, our internet is slower and more expensive than the rest of the developed world. (Google it)

Anyways, the goal of this is to return regulation to the FTC, so we can remove taxes on the ISPs and allow them to expand and advance.

This will not do away with net neutrality.

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Taxes aren't the thing preventing expansion.

Which nation with better internet are you referring to that has a better regulatory framework?