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FBI Had Evidence of Russian Favoritism of Trump for Some Time

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/us/trump-russia-cia-john-brennan.html?_r=0

WASHINGTON — The C.I.A. told senior lawmakers in classified briefings last summer that it had information indicating that Russia was working to help elect Donald J. Trump president, a finding that did not emerge publicly until after Mr. Trump’s victory months later, former government officials say.

The briefings indicate that intelligence officials had evidence of Russia’s intentions to help Mr. Trump much earlier in the presidential campaign than previously thought. The briefings also reveal a critical split last summer between the C.I.A. and counterparts at the F.B.I., where a number of senior officials continued to believe through last fall that Russia’s cyberattacks were aimed primarily at disrupting America’s political system, and not at getting Mr. Trump elected, according to interviews.
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Why didn't the FBI alert the nation earlier? Oh well....
 
Beaudreaux said:
I don't think this surprises anyone. It's also not a crime that a foreign government has a favorite. Most of the European governments drooled all over themselves in their open support of Obama over McCain.
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Apple, meet orange.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I don't think this surprises anyone. It's also not a crime that a foreign government has a favorite. Most of the European governments drooled all over themselves in their open support of Obama over McCain.
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True. And considering Putin once endorsed Obama (he also endorsed Bush, if we're being straight up.).

Russia or Putin having a preferred outcome doesn't bother me much.
 
I don't understand what the Democrats are implying here. Are they saying that the Obama administration was completely inept and did not have a clue how to protect the nation and allowed the Russians and Trump to steal a Presidential election? Are they saying that the Russians would find Trump more acceptable than Hillary, i.e. they like the guy bombing their Syrian friends more than the reset button woman? I would expect countries to try to meddle in elections. The US certainly does although they are a lot less subtle about it. The country is supposed to protect the country from that stuff.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Very in depth and adult level debate content.
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Since it escaped your estimable powers of observation, your equating foreign gov'ts to having a favorite to what the Russians are suspected of doing is absurd. Ill-informed and ignorant.

Glad I could clear that up for you at an adult level.
 
rocket88 said:
True. And considering Putin once endorsed Obama (he also endorsed Bush, if we're being straight up.).

Russia or Putin having a preferred outcome doesn't bother me much.
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Trump's America is pretty amazing. What the hell - let's just invite China into our next election, and Iran, and Russia, maybe the Saudis! Between the group they can dump a few $100 billions, lots of cyber attacks, propaganda campaigns, they could afford all kinds of oppo research to dump at the last minute, and just make it a big f'ing free for all, because who cares if foreign interests have a preference and employ their intelligence operatives to make it happen? What could go wrong?
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Since it escaped your estimable powers of observation, your equating foreign gov'ts to having a favorite to what the Russians are suspected of doing is absurd. Ill-informed and ignorant.

Glad I could clear that up for you at an adult level.
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Since it escaped you, that's not even close to what I did or said. You assumed yourself into creating a link that I didn't make.

What Russia did in our election is outrageous and needs to be dealt with. What the OP is about, is that Russia had a preference for Trump. Although they are probably related, they are in fact two different things. It's like bacon and eggs on a breakfast plate. I can eat one at a time or mix them together. Talking about the eggs doesn't dismiss the bacon. But the bacon is an item that although it is related due to being on the same plate at that time, are different items that can be discussed separately or together. Since this thread is about Russian preference (eggs) and not their acts of interference (the bacon), I can talk about the eggs as a separate item without my doing so being seen as dismissing the bacon that's still on the plate for all to see.

That is if you approve? (sarcasm)

By the way, the US interferes in elections as well. Maybe not as blatantly as Russia did this time to us, but it happens.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Since it escaped you, that's not even close to what I did or said. You assumed yourself into creating a link that I didn't make.
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No, that's exactly what you did.
What Russia did in our election is outrageous and needs to be dealt with. What the OP is about, is that Russia had a preference for Trump. Although they are probably related, they are in fact two different things. It's like bacon and eggs on a breakfast plate. I can eat one at a time or mix them together. Talking about the eggs doesn't dismiss the bacon. But the bacon is an item that although it is related due to being on the same plate at that time, are different items that can be discussed separately or together. Since this thread is about Russian preference (eggs) and not their acts of interference (the bacon), I can talk about the eggs as a separate item without my doing so being seen as dismissing the bacon that's still on the plate for all to see.
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No, the OP wasn't about 'Russia having a preference for Trump". Not even remotely Perhaps if you could be bothered to read the link in question, you'd have known that.

"The former officials said that in late August — 10 weeks before the election — John O. Brennan, then the C.I.A. director, was so concerned about increasing evidence of Russia’s election meddling that he began a series of urgent, individual briefings for eight top members of Congress, some of them on secure phone lines while they were on their summer break."

This wasn't just playing favorites.
That is if you approve? (sarcasm)
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No, I don't approve of your false equivalencies, and thanks for asking.
By the way, the US interferes in elections as well. Maybe not as blatantly as Russia did this time to us, but it happens.
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Irrelevant to anything I've stated, thanks.
 
rocket88 said:
True. And considering Putin once endorsed Obama (he also endorsed Bush, if we're being straight up.).

Russia or Putin having a preferred outcome doesn't bother me much.
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Unlike this, there is concrete evidence Turkey interfered in the elections in Bulgaria. Look that up for anyone that brings up Russia to defend House Clinton.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
No, that's exactly what you did.

No, the OP wasn't about 'Russia having a preference for Trump". Not even remotely Perhaps if you could be bothered to read the link in question, you'd have known that.

"The former officials said that in late August — 10 weeks before the election — John O. Brennan, then the C.I.A. director, was so concerned about increasing evidence of Russia’s election meddling that he began a series of urgent, individual briefings for eight top members of Congress, some of them on secure phone lines while they were on their summer break."

This wasn't just playing favorites.

No, I don't approve of your false equivalencies, and thanks for asking.

Irrelevant to anything I've stated, thanks.
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Not really sure what's going on with you tonight, but you need to read my post again, and then read the flipping thread title and OP article.
 
And then we have that phonecall Bill Clinton gave Trump a mere 13 days before Trump announced his candidacy.
I was born at night, but not last night...
 
Beaudreaux said:
Since it escaped you, that's not even close to what I did or said. You assumed yourself into creating a link that I didn't make.

What Russia did in our election is outrageous and needs to be dealt with. What the OP is about, is that Russia had a preference for Trump. Although they are probably related, they are in fact two different things. It's like bacon and eggs on a breakfast plate. I can eat one at a time or mix them together. Talking about the eggs doesn't dismiss the bacon. But the bacon is an item that although it is related due to being on the same plate at that time, are different items that can be discussed separately or together. Since this thread is about Russian preference (eggs) and not their acts of interference (the bacon), I can talk about the eggs as a separate item without my doing so being seen as dismissing the bacon that's still on the plate for all to see.

That is if you approve? (sarcasm)

By the way, the US interferes in elections as well. Maybe not as blatantly as Russia did this time to us, but it happens.
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The OP and the linked article is clearly and obviously about "What Russia did in our election" which you call outrageous. The first sentence of the excerpt:

WASHINGTON — The C.I.A. told senior lawmakers in classified briefings last summer that it had information indicating that Russia was working to help elect Donald J. Trump president, a finding that did not emerge publicly until after Mr. Trump’s victory months later, former government officials say.
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It doesn't say, "CIA had information Putin prefers Trump over Clinton." Nobody gives a damn that they had a "preference" and the article was not about their "preferences" but their actions to affect the outcome.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I don't think this surprises anyone. It's also not a crime that a foreign government has a favorite. Most of the European governments drooled all over themselves in their open support of Obama over McCain.
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Foreign government leaders no doubt always have a preference who wins our elections. But that wasn't my takeaway from the article. It wasn't about the preference, which as you accurately said they blatantly showed for Obama over McCain (and probably over Romney, too). It was this:

The C.I.A. told senior lawmakers in classified briefings last summer that it had information indicating Russia was working to help elect Donald J. Trump president

I could be wrong, but I don't recall the FBI having any information that any foreign nation was actually working to help Obama win.
 
JasperL said:
The OP and the linked article is clearly and obviously about "What Russia did in our election" which you call outrageous. The first sentence of the excerpt:



It doesn't say, "CIA had information Putin prefers Trump over Clinton." Nobody gives a damn that they had a "preference" and the article was not about their "preferences" but their actions to affect the outcome.
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Then complain to the OP.
 
tres borrachos said:
Foreign government leaders no doubt always have a preference who wins our elections. But that wasn't my takeaway from the article. It wasn't about the preference, which as you accurately said they blatantly showed for Obama over McCain (and probably over Romney, too). It was this:

The C.I.A. told senior lawmakers in classified briefings last summer that it had information indicating Russia was working to help elect Donald J. Trump president

I could be wrong, but I don't recall the FBI having any information that any foreign nation was actually working to help Obama win.
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That Russia did this, as I've said numerous times, is IMHO an act of war and should be treated as such.

I hope that is strong enough a comment from me to allay any wrong impressions to the contrary about my opinions .
 
Tanngrisnir said:
Since it escaped your estimable powers of observation, your equating foreign gov'ts to having a favorite to what the Russians are suspected of doing is absurd. Ill-informed and ignorant.

Glad I could clear that up for you at an adult level.
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What did they do? LOL. You think Bill and Janice in Pennsylvania voted for Trump because of Russia? You think votes were changed? No.

Hillary lost because of.......Hillary.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Then complain to the OP.
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About what? I assume he quoted the title of the article accurately, although it now reads, "C.I.A. Had Evidence of Russian Effort to Help Trump Earlier Than Believed"

And the first line, quoted in the OP, puts the focus on acts, not mere preferences. You misread it apparently, which is why I addressed you.
 
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