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Blaming Assad, President Trump says Syria chemical attack 'cannot be tolerated'

beerftw said:
Chemical weapons have been in use since ww1, by major countries banned or not. However they stopped being effective post ww1 as the major losses from mustard gas due to numerous soldiers being crammed in a trench led countries to re organize their tactics, which killed effectiveness of chemical attacks.

They kill less than plain bombs or missiles, they are for the shock effect to de moralize an opposing army more than to kill them, unless they returned to ww1 style trench warfare.
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Gonna hafta disagree with you there. They are weapons of mass destruction. Chemical and biological weapons have the potential to kill MASSIVE numbers of people in absolutely horrific ways.
 
rocket88 said:
So he's drawn a line. Can't wait to watch his worshippers back away from this when he doesn't follow through.

Which, btw, I don't think he should. There is no favorable outcome for the United States.
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50 Tomahawk missiles just launched at Syria.

So much for your theory.
 
countryboy said:
Gonna hafta disagree with you there. They are weapons of mass destruction. Chemical and biological weapons have the potential to kill MASSIVE numbers of people in absolutely horrific ways.
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the US fire bombed Tokyo, Dresden, and other targets during WWII; hundreds of thousands of CIVILIANS were MURDERED ...............

WMDs????????????????????


people need to stop picking & f***ing choosing the propaganda bulls*** train of thought bulls*** dingus LIEs & get for real .............
 
cuban smokes said:
the US fire bombed Tokyo, Dresden, and other targets during WWII; hundreds of thousands of CIVILIANS were MURDERED ...............

WMDs????????????????????


people need to stop picking & f***ing choosing the propaganda bulls*** train of thought bulls*** dingus LIEs & get for real .............
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Here, maybe this'll help. :roll:

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Schiff says that close to 70 Tomahawks were fired at suspected airfield.
 
DA60 said:
Either.

But if only one, the former would be great, please.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghouta_chemical_attack#Russian_assessment

There is the basic wiki page, it does not cover videos or any real testimony except from us workers and rebels, or direct statements from the syrian govt. Keep in ming if you read the whole thing, 5 major countries who did the investigation came to the conclusion assad did it, because well rebels are not sophisticated enough to make improvised rockets to deliver them and to make the chemical agents.

Probably the first red flag is the mention of improvised delivery methods, syria has long worked with russia and the soviet union, and has access to purpose build chemical delivery devices, rather than improvising them.

Another red flag is that saddams govt had very impure sarin gas used during the iraq/iran war. Syrian govt stuff was probably better but definately would not pass the pure test. The soviet union gave them their chemical weapons capabilities from formulations to munitions, if they were syrian govt batches, they should have something even western govt's could recognize, basically a russian fingerprint on the chemical agent.

If you want more info I can pull that up and links as well.
 
countryboy said:
Here, maybe this'll help. :roll:

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well .............. how many Syrians were killed the other day; 70? ........... 100?

how many civilians were killed in Tokyo, Dresden, and other targets in WWII, by the US war machine?

people need to get a God**** grip & stop the bulls*** .............
 
countryboy said:
Gonna hafta disagree with you there. They are weapons of mass destruction. Chemical and biological weapons have the potential to kill MASSIVE numbers of people in absolutely horrific ways.
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Gonna haft to not only disagree with you, but agree with cuban smokes, which must mean it is now a blue moon or something.

We killed more with fire bombs in ww2 than the h-bombs killed, their houses were wood and paper, and mass destruction was caused by simple weapons. Much like the h-bomb chemical weapons do more to demoralize enemies than they do to reduce their ranks.

Soldiers may be scared but stand ready to fight against blasts, but silent and invisible gas killing soldiers makes the living ones want to flee from an invisible killer.
 
Captain America said:
50 Tomahawk missiles just launched at Syria.

So much for your theory.
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Yeah, it'll be interesting how this plays out. Trump hasn't exactly been on the side of getting rid of Assad. I wonder if this is part of a larger strategy....because frankly, this is more against Assad than anything Obama did.

I wonder how many con posters remember when Obama sought Congressional assent to a military strike only to be rebuffed by Repubs. I'm sure they've all forgotten about that now.
 
cuban smokes said:
the US fire bombed Tokyo, Dresden, and other targets during WWII; hundreds of thousands of CIVILIANS were MURDERED ...............

WMDs????????????????????


people need to stop picking & f***ing choosing the propaganda bulls*** train of thought bulls*** dingus LIEs & get for real .............
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You would prefer to let Hitler and Tojo win the war instead of America and Great Britain?
 
Trump should have sent over Rand Paul to talk to al-Assad. If those two couldn't see eye-to-eye, then missiles would be a natural consequence.
 
rocket88 said:
So he's drawn a line. Can't wait to watch his worshippers back away from this when he doesn't follow through.

Which, btw, I don't think he should. There is no favorable outcome for the United States.
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Wrong again!

U.S. Launches Missiles at Syrian Base After Chemical Weapons Attack
 
polgara said:
Greetings, Rogue Valley. :2wave:

Better yet, why don't we wait to see what really happened before we decide what action to take in another country!
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Hello polgara :2wave:

Perhaps you should have addressed your concerns above to Mr. Trump.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Why would Russia support al-Qaeda? Any proof of this?
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We supported Uncle Joe, didn't we? It would be crazy not to support your enemy's enemy, unless he hated you more at that moment. ;)
 
Rogue Valley said:
There is no foolproof method to guarantee that the Assad regime declared all of its CW stocks in 2013/14. Russia's claim that an air attack could have scattered sarin gas from an insurgent CW facility on the ground is highly improbable....

Two separate chemical components are used in sarin munitions, and these separate components are not brought together (mated) until CW weapon activation. In other words, a bomb attack would have to bring together and mate the separate CW chemical components in order to produce the deadly sarin gas. The odds against this occurring are astronomically high. In addition, this improbability would have had to have occurred thrice ... two Syrian air attacks the previous day in a different location also produced similar lethal symptoms but fewer deaths. In addition, in a Syrian government attack last December near Palmyra, 93 civilians were killed and hundreds injured in a poison gas attack which was not consistent with chlorine gas (which the Assad regime also uses)...

International concern over claims of chemical weapon attack in Syria
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Do you have any actual evidence that contradicts what the US, Russia, Syria, and the UN all say? Or are we just going to go into conjecture?
 
Tigerace117 said:
Well, let's see. We have three basic possibilities here.

1) The Syrian government, which is known to have chemical weapons and the means to deploy them, used the gas.

2) The Syrian government was irresponsible enough to let a particularly fanatical group of rebels get their hands on chemical weapons, which would show that Assad is not a trustworthy caretaker of these weapons.m

3) There was a "false flag" and somebody gassed those people in the Herculean attempt to make a brutal dictator look evil.

I know which door Occam's Razor says it is.,
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We also know that the US, UN, Syria, and Russia all engaged in eliminating Syria's CW. Do you have any evidence to the contrary?
 
Rogue Valley said:
Blaming Assad, President Trump says Syria chemical attack 'cannot be tolerated'



This horrific attack occurred only a few days after Secretary of State Rex Tillerson stated on March 30 that “Our priority is no longer to sit there and focus on getting Assad out.” A strong unspoken suggestion by Tillerson than Assad can remain in power. I wonder if Mr. Trump can enlighten me ... how can the UN do anything other than "fail to act" when Vladimir Putin will veto any UN measure that blames/constrains his ally Assad?

Yesterday Tillerson issued a statement calling on Russia and Iran “to exercise their influence over the Syrian regime and to guarantee that this sort of horrific attack never happens again.” The lethal Assad gas attack occurred at an inconvenient crossroad for Mr. Tillerson who would rather not antagonize the Kremlin at the moment, as he is scheduled be in Moscow next week schmoozing with Vladimir Vladimirovich.
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Seems like the need to "not antagonize" is not as pronounced as you may have thought.
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Do you have any actual evidence that contradicts what the US, Russia, Syria, and the UN all say? Or are we just going to go into conjecture?
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They say different things. Perhaps you can straighten everyone out.
 
code1211 said:
Seems like the need to "not antagonize" is not as pronounced as you may have thought.
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Russia was notified of the strike beforehand. Wouldn't want to complicate matters for Rex 'Order of Friendship' Tillerson's soirée with Putin next week.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Russia was notified of the strike beforehand. Wouldn't want to complicate matters for Rex 'Order of Friendship' Tillerson's soirée with Putin next week.
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I wonder if this means that Tillerson won't make a complete fool out of himself as Hillary did with Lavrov... Anyone know if he dusted of the re-set button with the typo that Hillary gaffed? Was that button used this time to launch the missiles? Do you think the news of THIS "re-set" will be as amusing to the Russians at Hillary and Obama's was?

The notification of the attack was sent via a pre-established "deconfliction" arrangement.

Both countries have understood for decades that the possibility of unintended provocation exists. This understanding has existed for decades. I would have thought you might have heard of it, seen the movies or been instructed in the dangers of nuclear radiation.

It sounds like the US was appropriately following diplomatically established protocol. In your view, should diplomatic protocol be ignored when dealing with other nuclear powers?
 
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