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Mike Flynn Offers to Testify in Exchange for Immunity

Cardinal said:
Well. The public won't be learning anything directly for a while, but this is interesting, and also vindicates reporters' tweets.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-offers-to-testify-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959
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When I saw that on the news today(forget which media reported it) it was true he was willing to testify everything in exchange for immunity, but none of the agencies investigating have yet or look like they will agree to his terms.

Given the rejection, it is likely they arleady know everything he does, and are likely not wanting to grant him immunity. As of now nothing illegal has been found for flynn, however his demands for immunity means he may very well have committed crimes, either ones the fbi could not find or more likely ones the fbi knew about but had no solid proof to convict.

I think flynn wants to walk away unscathed and the fbi wants him to walk into a trap, it might be fun to see where this goes.
 
sangha said:
It sounds like a setup to me. Flynn gets immunity, testifies that he was the only one talking to the russians about their election interference and that he did it without any prompting from anyone else. Ends up dishonestly exonerating everyone else while paying no penalty. And since the repubs in Congress are in on the scam, they will grant him immunity and script the questions he is asked
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Certainly not impossible, but it's a little too stage-y.
 
prometeus said:
Not yet, but even if slowly it is clearing up. To be clear, I do NOT believe that Flynn has or will offer anything incriminating about Trump himself, but there will be other people who will fall. That is just as damaging to Trump's presidency as anything can be.

I promise you that I will and make not of it and hold me to it.

There is nothing I'd like more that the country to be going about its business AND succeeding even if I do not like Trump.

I am not looking for anything to destroy anyone's credibility, but most certainly would and will not look the other way when people who are supposed to work for the country do things that destroy their own credibility and that goes for anyone of any political affiliation. Any credibility or rather lack of it that Trump is facing is entirely and solely his own doing.
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I respect that but you can't deny that the democrat game plan since 9 November has been to find anything and everything even to the point of manufactured poutrage to delilegitimize the election.

I'll just be glad when all this is over.


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Cardinal said:
Certainly not impossible, but it's a little too stage-y.
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Flynn will need something good to swap for immunity, and the FBI will want to validate as a condition, normal practice when offered immunity.
 
sangha said:
It sounds like a setup to me. Flynn gets immunity, testifies that he was the only one talking to the russians about their election interference and that he did it without any prompting from anyone else. Ends up dishonestly exonerating everyone else while paying no penalty. And since the repubs in Congress are in on the scam, they will grant him immunity and script the questions he is asked
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The deal can not be that simple. While Trump will NOT be implicated at all, some others will be and fall.
 
beerftw said:
When I saw that on the news today(forget which media reported it) it was true he was willing to testify everything in exchange for immunity, but none of the agencies investigating have yet or look like they will agree to his terms.

Given the rejection, it is likely they arleady know everything he does, and are likely not wanting to grant him immunity. As of now nothing illegal has been found for flynn, however his demands for immunity means he may very well have committed crimes, either ones the fbi could not find or more likely ones the fbi knew about but had no solid proof to convict.

I think flynn wants to walk away unscathed and the fbi wants him to walk into a trap, it might be fun to see where this goes.
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As I said earlier, I find it curious that, like you said, he wasn't approached with a threat of criminal activity. He wasn't even approached with immunity for testimony as an option by someone else. He rushed to beg for immunity from something he's not even been accused of. Suspicious.
 
sangha said:
It sounds like a setup to me. Flynn gets immunity, testifies that he was the only one talking to the russians about their election interference and that he did it without any prompting from anyone else. Ends up dishonestly exonerating everyone else while paying no penalty. And since the repubs in Congress are in on the scam, they will grant him immunity and script the questions he is asked
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You don't think the truth would come out? What about Carter Page, Paul Manafort, and Roger Stone? Everyone's story would have to match perfectly. Any inconsistency would lead to the FBI sniffing out a bull**** story. There's 3 separate probes into this Russia thing. If the worst is true then Flynn is saving his own ass. If it's only moderately true, and they only have evidence that Flynn conspired without Trump's consent, well he could get away with something like that, but, I think the FBI has panoramic evidence, spanning the people in the campaign, the transition team, and the white house.
 
Winston said:
Not to rain on the anti-Trump parade but, Clinton aides were given immunity during the email hearings last summer too. Immunity status doesn't automatically mean the informant is busting out tales of felonious intrigue. Might not want to jump to Ding Dong the Trumper's dead conclusions quite yet.. but.. man it would be nice.

Top Clinton aide Cheryl Mills granted partial immunity in email investigation - POLITICO
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She got partial... immunity... what makes it partial?
 
Cardinal said:
Well. The public won't be learning anything directly for a while, but this is interesting, and also vindicates reporters' tweets.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-offers-to-testify-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959
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As always I take what Flynn has to say with a grain of salt. However, it does look like there are some holes here. I think the Nunes thing was really crappy hollywood-like smokescreen that was straight out of an action spy thriller. He was meant to distract, but only raised more questions.
 
Threegoofs said:
This is probably true, but Trump seems to have established himself as so incompetent and so stupid that he probably didn't know enough to shield himself or provide plausible deniability for any actions he may have taken.
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Just curious, but what 'actions' do you believe Trump might have taken?
 
Cardinal said:
Ooooooooh, this interview didn't age well.

"When you are given immunity it means you probably committed a crime."
-General Flynn

Michael Flynn Full Interview: Trump is Opening '''Huge''' Lead - NBC News
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That is one of those weird things. Politically, people will be offered immunity, since that makes people think just exactly like Flynn did. It is a simple if cheesy way to make people look guilty, and those around them by implication. Asking for immunity however...
 
VanceMack said:
I respect that but you can't deny that the democrat game plan since 9 November has been to find anything and everything even to the point of manufactured poutrage to delilegitimize the election.

I'll just be glad when all this is over.
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Yeah... how dare this muslim from Kenya sit in the whitehouse

:lol:
 
Hatuey said:
She got partial... immunity... what makes it partial?
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With full immunity, the witness can not be charged for any crime they testify about. With partial/limited immunity, they are only protected from being prosecuted for the crime being investigated. If they testify about commiting some other criminal act, they can be prosecuted for that
 
VanceMack said:
I respect that but you can't deny that the democrat game plan since 9 November has been to find anything and everything even to the point of manufactured poutrage to delilegitimize the election.

I'll just be glad when all this is over.


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None of this deligitimizes the election results. Even if it where to turn out Trump hired the Russians to hack the DNC, Podesta, and every one else, there is still no mechanism to reverse an election. Build a better conspiracy theory dude.
 
poweRob said:
As I said earlier, I find it curious that, like you said, he wasn't approached with a threat of criminal activity. He wasn't even approached with immunity for testimony as an option by someone else. He rushed to beg for immunity from something he's not even been accused of.
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It is not much different though than previous administrations pleading the fifth or begging for imunity. However pleading the fifth is against self incrimination, asking for immunity often means he had criminal behavior of some sorts. I do not think he has anything on trump though the fbi does not since they do not want to take up his offer.

Groups like law enforcement and fbi offer immunity when it benefits them, stuff like letting a drug dealer go to catch the regional supplier and stuff. The fact they rejected his offer likely means it is just him or lower levels that could be affected, not trump or the rest of his inner circle.

The intelligence likely has everything he has done recorded, and probably knows why he wants immunity as well, but could not find his testimony usefull to let him off the hook.
 
sangha said:
With full immunity, the witness can not be charged for any crime they testify about. With partial/limited immunity, they are only protected from being prosecuted for the crime being investigated. If they testify about commiting some other criminal act, they can be prosecuted for that
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So this could go one of two ways.... the word Immunity by itself doesn't tell us just what he's worried about.
 
sangha said:
It sounds like a setup to me. Flynn gets immunity, testifies that he was the only one talking to the russians about their election interference and that he did it without any prompting from anyone else. Ends up dishonestly exonerating everyone else while paying no penalty. And since the repubs in Congress are in on the scam, they will grant him immunity and script the questions he is asked
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I don't see that happening at all. They've already got confirmation that a lot of other Trump associates were in communication with Russian intelligence, and there are several other financial angles in regards to this that have nothing to do w/Flynn (that we know of). This looks like it involves a lot of other people.

He's also seeking immunity from the FBI, not just congressional committees, and the FBI doesn't operate the same way as do they, nor are they stupid enough to fall for such a scenario.
 
VanceMack said:
I respect that
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Thank you.

but you can't deny
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Sure I could, but that would be dishonest...

that the democrat game plan since 9 November has been to find anything and everything even to the point of manufactured poutrage to delilegitimize the election.
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As it has been so many times repeated here, 'elections have results' and that applies to all parties. Politics IS a dirty business, but somehow in the least we pretended that at the end of the day we can take a long hot shower and and wash away at least the stench if not all the dirt. Increasingly that is less possible if at all. As for the outrage, of course. Any and everything to weaken and make the Trump presidency less effective, that is just normal as it was for the Republicans with Obama. I really do not believe that any rational person somehow expected or expects to somehow make the results of the election go away, so "delegitimizing" is not really an apt characterization in my opinion.

I'll just be glad when all this is over.
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I believe that all decent people will be.
 
If the dominoes start falling, I still expect Manafort to go down before Flynn.
 
Cardinal said:
I'd just like to remind Democrats and general, all-around anti-Trumpers that this is Flynn we're talking about here. Depending on him to vindicate your suspicions could be a really awful mistake. Think "Rachel Maddow Tax Return" fiasco on an infinitely larger scale.
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... Where Democrats are burned by Flynn... and he admits to a crime he committed on their behalf? It would be the ultimate revelation in all of this. Nothing, nothing would ever revitalize the Democratic party if we were to find out that it was us who were really working with the Russians....
 
Redress said:
None of this deligitimizes the election results. Even if it where to turn out Trump hired the Russians to hack the DNC, Podesta, and every one else, there is still no mechanism to reverse an election. Build a better conspiracy theory dude.
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Next time when building a conspiracy theory, make it sturdy. The conspiracy theory here is was there quid pro quo? Did Putin say, "I get you elected, you give me Tillerson and lift the sanctions." And did Trump agree? Did Trump, perhaps also take financial compensation.. from the 500 Billion dollar oil deal that Exxon has with Russia?
 
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