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Trump: ‘We must fight’ hard-line conservative Freedom Caucus in 2018 midterm election

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Interesting. While Trump's job approval rating seems to be in a slow free fall (41% on rcp as of this post), he enjoys ~85% approval from Republicans. What is the makeup of the HFC members' districts, and can a spat with Trump hurt them in time for 2018?

And if Trump somehow did manage to weaken the HFC members' election efforts, would they be primaried or could they be made vulnerable to outright general elections?

President Trump effectively declared war Thursday on the House Freedom Caucus, the powerful group of hard-line conservative Republicans who blocked the health-care bill, vowing to “fight them” in the 2018 midterm elections.

In a morning tweet, Trump warned that the Freedom Caucus would “hurt the entire Republican agenda if they don’t get on the team, & fast.” He grouped its members, all of them Republican, with Democrats in calling for their political defeat — an extraordinary incitement of intraparty combat from a sitting president.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...783e38-154e-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html
 
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I am sure a Republican civil war will go well for the GOP.
 
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Carjosse said:
I am sure a Republican civil war will go well for the GOP.
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We should run a pool on when the Don and Congress will fall out, the man is already taking aim at Ryan.
 
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Big Trouble in Little Caucus
 
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Carjosse said:
I am sure a Republican civil war will go well for the GOP.
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And what caused this giant ****-a-tron was one complicated and contentious policy making. One. I've been given to understand that the complications of writing a new healthcare bill when compared to tax reform is analogous to the hassles of buying a new car when compared to being a first time home buyer.
 
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Cardinal said:
Interesting. While Trump's job approval rating seems to be in a slow free fall (41% on rcp as of this post), he enjoys ~85% approval from Republicans. What is the makeup of the HFC members' districts, and can a spat with Trump hurt them in time for 2018?

And if Trump somehow did manage to weaken the HFC members' election efforts, would they be primaried or could they be made vulnerable to outright general elections?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...783e38-154e-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html
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Trump is mistaken about this

Ryan and the moderate repubs will stab trump in the back whenever it suits them whereas the Freedom Caucus reprents his most loyal base.

Instead of browbeating the conservatives he should work with them to make a better bill that they can support
 
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Carjosse said:
I am sure a Republican civil war will go well for the GOP.
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Cardinal said:
Interesting. While Trump's job approval rating seems to be in a slow free fall (41% on rcp as of this post), he enjoys ~85% approval from Republicans. What is the makeup of the HFC members' districts, and can a spat with Trump hurt them in time for 2018?

And if Trump somehow did manage to weaken the HFC members' election efforts, would they be primaried or could they be made vulnerable to outright general elections?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...783e38-154e-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html
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Trump probably retains high popularity in the Freedom Caucus' districts. So, the question now is, do the people double down on the Freedom Caucus or Donald Trump?
 
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Also loved Ryan's remark that Trump may start working with the Dems if the Reps do not get their act together.
How bad can it be working with the representatives of the people?
 
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Mac77 said:
Trump is mistaken about this

Ryan and the moderate repubs will stab trump in the back whenever it suits them whereas the Freedom Caucus reprents his most loyal base.

Instead of browbeating the conservatives he should work with them to make a better bill that they can support
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That is a misunderstanding of epic proportions. While both Trump and the Freedom Caucus were sent to Washington on a tide of antiestablishment sentiments, there the similarity ends. While the HFC are ideologues, Trump has no ideology of any kind except for the abstract concept of "winning." So if Trump's sole aim is to win, and if the HFC is to pass legislation that hews to a specific ideology, then expecting the two to team up with any degree of regularity is naive.
 
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Winston said:
Trump probably retains high popularity in the Freedom Caucus' districts. So, the question now is, do the people double down on the Freedom Caucus or Donald Trump?
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That is indeed the question. The problem is I really don't know the HFC's constituents. I haven't seen any polls or interviews and have no idea where their priorities lie.
 
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Cardinal said:
Interesting. While Trump's job approval rating seems to be in a slow free fall (41% on rcp as of this post), he enjoys ~85% approval from Republicans. What is the makeup of the HFC members' districts, and can a spat with Trump hurt them in time for 2018?

And if Trump somehow did manage to weaken the HFC members' election efforts, would they be primaried or could they be made vulnerable to outright general elections?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...783e38-154e-11e7-ada0-1489b735b3a3_story.html
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Division within the GOP isn't what I would be aiming for right now, if I were him.
 
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Cardinal said:
That is a misunderstanding of epic proportions. While both Trump and the Freedom Caucus were sent to Washington on a tide of antiestablishment sentiments, there the similarity ends. While the HFC are ideologues, Trump has no ideology of any kind except for the abstract concept of "winning." So if Trump's sole aim is to win, and if the HFC is to pass legislation that hews to a specific ideology, then expecting the two to team up with any degree of regularity is naive.
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I think they can agree on other subjects

But if winning is the goal why not win on healthcare with the Freedom Caucus instead of without them?
 
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Of course they have nothing whatsoever in common with democrats so grouping them together is nonsense not to be taken seriously
 
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Mac77 said:
I think they can agree on other subjects

But if winning is the goal why not win on healthcare with the Freedom Caucus instead of without them?
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Yeah, that's specifically what he tried doing when he agreed to gut the republican healthcare bill of the ten essential health benefits, thereby starving him of the needed "moderate" republican votes.
 
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Winston said:
Trump probably retains high popularity in the Freedom Caucus' districts. So, the question now is, do the people double down on the Freedom Caucus or Donald Trump?
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these people aren't too bright, so i doubt they'll even notice the conflict
 
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TheGoverness said:
Division within the GOP isn't what I would be aiming for right now, if I were him.
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Donald is a divide and conquer guy, not the best way forward in politics.
 
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chromium said:
these people aren't too bright, so i doubt they'll even notice the conflict
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I simply can't believe these people don't have an opinion on where they fit between Trump's promise of a healthcare policy that gave them everything they'd want vs. their own Representatives who promised to starve them of any healthcare at all. I don't care if they have the collective IQ of a box of tic-tacs, they've got to have something to say about that.
 
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yankintx said:
Donald is a divide and conquer guy, not the best way forward in politics.
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But if it does divide the Republican base, the 2018 midterms may provide an interesting outcome.
 
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Cardinal said:
Yeah, that's specifically what he tried doing when he agreed to gut the republican healthcare bill of the ten essential health benefits, thereby starving him of the needed "moderate" republican votes.
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The problem is that conservatives do not believe the word of establishment republicans to address their complaints in phase 2 and three

We remember the 1986 amnesty bill that fed the carrot to illegals on day one but never fullfilled the promises made the conservatives to end illegal migration forever
 
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Mac77 said:
The problem is that conservatives do not believe the word of establishment republicans to address their complaints in phase 2 and three
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You're not paying attention. HFC and Trump demonstrated much larger and much more obvious divisions within the anti-establishment itself, as I've already explained.

Mac77 said:
We remember the 1986 amnesty bill that fed the carrot to illegals on day one but never fullfilled the promises made the conservatives to end illegal migration forever
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chromium said:
these people aren't too bright, so i doubt they'll even notice the conflict
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Trump is smart

Its liberals who are stupid

I dont think he will abandon his conservative base over healthcare
 
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Mac77 said:
Trump is smart

Its liberals who are stupid

I dont think he will abandon his conservative base over healthcare
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He already did!

Jesus!
 
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Cardinal said:
You're not paying attention. HFC and Trump demonstrated much larger and much more obvious divisions within the anti-establishment itself, as I've already explained.
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I dont think so

But trumps tweet is troubling
 
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