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Showdown over Article 50....(Brexit official)

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EU leaders have set up a titanic showdown with Theresa May after they rushed to dismiss key UK demands within hours of the historic Article 50 letter being delivered.
In a day of high political drama, the Prime Minister was cheered to the rafters by Tory MPs in the Commons as she declared that her envoy Sir Tim Barrow had handed the formal Brexit notification to European Council president Donald Tusk in the Belgian capital.


Read more: Article 50: Brexit could be ?painful? warns EU leaders | Daily Mail Online
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It's real, and it's spectacular.

Hopefully more of Europe follows the same path.

And from another source: Article 50 live: UK hands in Brexit 'divorce letter'

Article 50 live: UK hands in Brexit 'divorce letter'

Article 50 trigger day key points
•PM's Article 50 notification letter is delivered to European Council President Donald Tusk in Brussels
•Theresa May tells MPs in the Commons: "This is an historic moment from which there can be no turning back."


•Angela Merkel rejects UK demand for parallel talks on exiting the union and a trade deal

•Sky Data poll finds half of Britons happy about EU divorce process starting
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Jetboogieman said:
I'll never understand American right wing extremists hatred for the EU, it's pathological.
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They see it as a threat to the US. Same reason they hate Russia and China. Soon India will join the group, as well as Brazil most likely. Any country or organisation that threatens "US superiority" (in their eyes) is a threat and must be destroyed if it cant be controlled.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I'll never understand American right wing extremists hatred for the EU, it's pathological.
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Hate would be less sensible than wary and annoyed. Of course, they are a largely populist quasi-state that is therefore unreliable and dedicated to less rational goals. They are also wasting political and financial capital on the problems of mid 20th century and making today's more virulent. Not to forget the members are economic competitors competing in in the security the US is paying for.
 
PeteEU said:
They see it as a threat to the US. Same reason they hate Russia and China. Soon India will join the group, as well as Brazil most likely. Any country or organisation that threatens "US superiority" (in their eyes) is a threat and must be destroyed if it cant be controlled.
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There might be some that see it that way. But they are much more prevalent in Europe as you know, if you follow public mefia in Germany, France or Austria.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I'll never understand American right wing extremists hatred for the EU, it's pathological.
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Imagine a North American Union, (Canada, Mexico and The US), who's going to have to most real power in that?
Now imagine Donald Trump is the head of that union.

Any more questions?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Imagine a North American Union, (Canada, Mexico and The US), who's going to have to most real power in that?
Now imagine Donald Trump is the head of that union.

Any more questions?
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I think it has more to do with the pathological hatred of anything they deem remotely socialist, personally.
 
Northern Light said:
I think it has more to do with the pathological hatred of anything they deem remotely socialist, personally.
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For me at least, I hate to see Europe become a US of Europe.
Not because of the economic competition, but because of the slow loss of sovereignty.

Maybe folks don't think it will happen and maybe it won't.
With that said, with governments, the power trends towards accumulating at the top and the lower rungs slowly become nothing more than figureheads.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Imagine a North American Union, (Canada, Mexico and The US), who's going to have to most real power in that?
Now imagine Donald Trump is the head of that union.

Any more questions?
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The EU is not that imbalanced.

It would be more like the US if the 5 largest states were double and the rest remained the same size. Along with far less power to the "federal" government

Heck the EU only has around 55 000 people working for it. The majority of what it has done is set trade standards so that something produced in say Ireland can be sold in all of the EU, meeting all member countries safety/environment/quality standards.

A standard for a Grade A banana, is done in the EU and it is done in the US. Along with the various quality grades of beef. The uproar over straight vs curved Banana's comes down t that.
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
The EU is not that imbalanced.

It would be more like the US if the 5 largest states were double and the rest remained the same size. Along with far less power to the "federal" government

Heck the EU only has around 55 000 people working for it. The majority of what it has done is set trade standards so that something produced in say Ireland can be sold in all of the EU, meeting all member countries safety/environment/quality standards.

A standard for a Grade A banana, is done in the EU and it is done in the US. Along with the various quality grades of beef. The uproar over straight vs curved Banana's comes down t that.
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Not yet.
I think it will head in that direction, much like the US has.
For the record, even though I love the idea of a common market and visa free travel, the slow march to a federal EU would make me want to leave, before it became a bigger threat.
 
PeteEU said:
They see it as a threat to the US. Same reason they hate Russia and China. Soon India will join the group, as well as Brazil most likely. Any country or organisation that threatens "US superiority" (in their eyes) is a threat and must be destroyed if it cant be controlled.
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First off, there's absolutely nothing that threatens US military and economic superiority. Europe is a cesspool of debt sinking into the abyss that can't defend itself without America footing the bill for defense in dollars and soldiers. Europe shouldn't be joined at the hip economically as it is because it's draining them at an alarming rate.

And it's tiring being the financier and outsourcer of most of the security in Europe.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I'll never understand American right wing extremists hatred for the EU, it's pathological.
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Because we don't like one-world oligarchies ruling the masses, nor do we enjoy watching the identities of countries get washed away by the financial power of the likes of George Soros and his ilk.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I'll never understand American right wing extremists hatred for the EU, it's pathological.
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Especially seeing how they want America to work more like the EU. All these different states with a very loose and weak federal government.
 
WCH said:
Because some of us like our sovereignty and dislike Illuminati-like central governments.
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That is a pointless comment with absolutely no meaning. If there were no united states and just 50 different countries, each state government could then be seen as the "central government".
 
Erod said:
Because we don't like one-world oligarchies ruling the masses, nor do we enjoy watching the identities of countries get washed away by the financial power of the likes of George Soros and his ilk.
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You don't even know that you voted for and elected an oligarch. :lol:
 
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poweRob said:
That is a pointless comment with absolutely no meaning. If there were no united states and just 50 different countries, each state government could then be seen as the "central government".
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But, that's not the way it is, is it?
 
Erod said:
Because we don't like one-world oligarchies ruling the masses, nor do we enjoy watching the identities of countries get washed away by the financial power of the likes of George Soros and his ilk.
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Trump sure seems to like the one-man Russia oligarchy just fine.
 
WCH said:
But, that's not the way it is, is it?
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WTF is that supposed to mean? If you are stumped, no need to retort with this barf. Just say so.
 
WCH said:
You said "if" the 50 states were all sovereign. They aren't.
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So? What does that have to do with my point? Nothing. If you don't want to discuss it, just move on. No need to play coy in attempts to redirect the dicussion as a way out.
 
WCH said:
Because some of us like our sovereignty and dislike Illuminati-like central governments.
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I laughed. I cried. I laughed, some more. Then I printed out your post. Laughed at it some more. Showed it to a neighbor. I blacked out your name for obvious reasons. We chuckled.

He asked about the BBQ and if I'd be doing any this week.

Anyways, the point is that your post is silly.
 
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