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Former Obama official discloses rush to get intelligence on Trump team

Lutherf said:
It is but it's also setting a precedent. See, the next time a Democrat is elected we can have a solid four years of public investigations of their activities. It will save congress from actually doing work and will be great for TV ratings.
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If warranted, yes.

But the White House has made their own problems by their constant deceit, withholding of facts only to walk it back when they're leaked, and their non-transparent combativeness. For chrissakes, he refused to release his tax returns! How can he be properly vetted? I see no cooperation coming from him at all, so now everyone is (rightfully) ganged-up against him.

He arrogantly though he could bulldoze the public around, by virtue of him winning the bully pulpit, just as he bullied in civilian life - and surprise! It's not working.

I have no sympathies for Trump. He desecrates the office, and is a national embarrassment.
 
Renae said:
No, we can. The left has become entirely unhinged over Trump.
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Define unhinged.

Is it a pathological delusion harmful to themselves and others requiring medication?

Maybe so then.
 
Lutherf said:
It is but it's also setting a precedent. See, the next time a Democrat is elected we can have a solid four years of public investigations of their activities. It will save congress from actually doing work and will be great for TV ratings.
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Lulz. Where were you during the Obama administration, Mr. Van Winkle?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I don't have an issue with Manafort being charged, if he committed a crime.
I just think that "connections to Russia" are far, far more common than people would otherwise believe.

Countries of any and all stripe attempt to lobby our government, routinely.
Just think of the potential connections between Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc.
You'd have to investigate the entirety of congress and most/all former presidents over those two alone.
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Yes, but how do you explain the GOP changing their platform's longstanding Russia policy at the Trump campaign's insistent, when under Manafort?

We know Manafort acted as an agent of Putin's before in the Ukraine.

You don't see a problem with this? When policy shaping is done under the influence of a foreign government?
 
Will be funny if both sides coming crashing down.

This has almost become the story of the hungry and skinny cat catching the biggest mouse. Of course the mouse begs for its life before the cat swallows him whole. The big mouse makes sure he gets stuck in the cats throat and so both die...

Question is, who killed who? Actually we know, but you know what I'm saying. Both sides out for blood and both getting it. Would be interesting anyhow. But as it stands, only one side has any true evidence of criminal wrongdoing, and that is in the case of leaking Flynn's name. And while I know you folks on the left will do you damnedest to try, you are gonna find this awfully hard to pin on President Trump... or, worst case, blame on GW.
 
Chomsky said:
Yes, but how do you explain the GOP changing their platform's longstanding Russia policy at the Trump campaign's insistent, when under Manafort?

We know Manafort acted as an agent of Putin's before in the Ukraine.

You don't see a problem with this? When policy shaping is done under the influence of a foreign government?
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Depends.
I think Kissinger has even said that we should let Russia keep Crimea.
If they were following that thread of thought, I don't have a problem.

Ukraine, should of been kept as a neutral state to begin with, but that's another can of worms.

They deny they changed the platform and others insist they did.
I don't know, if it's in relation to detente and keeping everyone out of meddling in the Ukraine, I'm open to it.
 
Renae said:
Yes, yes, we know, a big business man like trump secretly worked to further Russian causes to enrich himself by becoming President. Just like that mooslim Obama was born in Kenya look at the type face, how can you deny it???
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If Manafort goes down, something I think is reasonably possible, I doubt you'll be so flippant & dismissive.

There's no equivalence between birtherism and the cadre of Flynn, Manafort, et al.

But interesting you use "birtherism" to exemplify something totally false, ridiculous, and bull****! Who, pray tell, is the chief birther proponent Renae?
 
Ikari said:
I like the ending part which was



Meaning, there's a lot of good intelligence linking Trump and Russia still floating around out there that hasn't yet come out. lol

Well we can investigate these leaks, but now that we know, we need to investigate the links too. And not just the golf links, Trump already has that one covered, lol.
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What it really means, is that the White House was spying (possibly illegally) on the president elect.

Question: if the FBI is already investigating, why are Obamapanzees out digging through classified surveillance?
 
Chomsky said:
If Manafort goes down, something I think is reasonably possible, I doubt you'll be so flippant & dismissive.

There's no equivalence between birtherism and the cadre of Flynn, Manafort, et al.

But interesting you use "birtherism" to exemplify something totally false, ridiculous, and bull****! Who, pray tell, is the chief birther proponent Renae?
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Yep. Mr. Trump was one of, if not the biggest proponents of that Birtherism nonsense.
 
Ikari said:
I like the ending part which was



Meaning, there's a lot of good intelligence linking Trump and Russia still floating around out there that hasn't yet come out. lol

Well we can investigate these leaks, but now that we know, we need to investigate the links too. And not just the golf links, Trump already has that one covered, lol.
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Be honest...with the leaks already ongoing, if they HAD something damning on Trump and Russia, dont you think it would be out there?

Dont get me wrong...I WANT it all to come out. But for every Michael Flynn, it turns out, there is a John Podesta.
 
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TheGoverness said:
Yep. Mr. Trump was one of, if not the biggest proponents of that Birtherism nonsense.
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Yeah, which is why using it as an argument in defense of Trump strikes me as self-defeating.
 
VanceMack said:
Be honest...with the leaks already ongoing, if the HAD something damning on Trump and Russia, dont you think it would be out there?

Dont get me wrong...I WANT it all to come out. But for every Michael Flynn, it turns out, there is a John Podesta.
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I would think so, but who knows. According to the linked article, there is a lot more info out there.
 
Paperview said:
You know that episode appeared a month ago, right?
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The flailing of the desperate, Trumpsters are spinning like a top. Many Trump die hards have quietly slinked away as the Birther in Chief has shown his true color, Red!!
 
Chomsky said:
I agree with her.

If done through the proper legal channels due to a reasonable concern (and it appears there is), then absolutely it should be done.

Trump is showing absolutely no transparency in the matter, whereas as the President he should be welcoming this.

But I do think it's interesting that this may finally produce his tax returns, unfortunately not freely by Trump but through legal force.

If the boils over and comes undone, let this be a lesson to those that put a man in office without thoroughly vetting him, including his tax returns.
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It seemed from Comey's testimony that the FBI had concerns about multiple individuals that wound up in the Trump campaign. It's still an open investigation.

So, why would Comey float the phoney "Clinton's emails" thing a couple of weeks before the election but keep this under wraps?
 
Thread title: Former Obama official discloses rush to get intelligence on Trump team

That could be read multiple ways. Possibly...

Former Obama official discloses rush to get (somebody with) intelligence on Trump team

:lol:
 
Ikari said:
I would think so, but who knows. According to the linked article, there is a lot more info out there.
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Or so they say. And apparently, Nunes also believes there is a lot more out there. Comey definitely has a lot more to say...as evidenced by his refusal to answer any questions in open hearings. SO...lets have that full investigation. But at the very least, doesnt the comments in the OP confirm what Trump said...that Obama officials were spying on him?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Did I say it was ok.
What it alludes to is that his funny business predates his work with Trump and that the two issues may not be connected.
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It was in your assumption, no need to pretend otherwise.
 
As I posted in the other thread:

The New York Times -- the day before that segment aired:

"In the Obama administration’s last days, some White House officials scrambled to spread information about Russian efforts to undermine the presidential election — and about possible contacts between associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump and Russians — across the government. Former American officials say they had two aims: to ensure that such meddling isn’t duplicated in future American or European elections, and to leave a clear trail of intelligence for government investigators.
— New York Times, 3/1/17




"Granted, getting a former administration to come right out and say what many of us have been told by President Trump and has been conveniently dismissed by the liberal media was an interesting chapter in the ongoing story. We’ll only start getting to the truth once we have hearings and hopefully Farkas will be added to the short list of those who’ll testify.



But this is NOT breaking news. It’s old news, maybe even #FakeNews because what Vargas said isn’t really an admission but a corroboration of a New York Times story that was written “according to three former American officials who requested anonymity in discussing classified intelligence”.


But as long as websites and news organizations can garner clicks on something said almost a month after the fact, that’s all that matters."

Evelyn Farkas: New Trump Wiretap Admission or Old #FakeNews Clickbait?
 
yankintx said:
It was in your assumption, no need to pretend otherwise.
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If Manafort broke the law, he should face the consequences.
Just because I may be sympathetic towards Trump, doesn't mean I think he or anyone associated with him, should be above the law.
They're responsible for their actions, like everyone else.
 
Renae said:
Oh FFS, this whole Russia Trump thing is just as pointless and retarded as the Birther nonsense.
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Those things are so ****ing different that I can't even comprehend how you think they are comparable. There is an active FBI investigation going for the Russia scandal. Someone has been fired for lying about communications. Numerous meetings have been kept off the books only to be found out about later. Trumps press secretary is now trying to say that his campaign manager, who worked for free oddly enough, had very little to do with the campaign in order to try to say that just because he has incredibly close and questionable ties to Russia, you can't pretend that Trump would have known that.

You can not in good faith claim these are similar. I don't know how you can do that.
 
TheGoverness said:
And the plot thickens...
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Oh...I don't think a lot of people know how thick the plot really is.

There appears to be more to Ms. Farkas than meets the eye.

UPDATE: The plot thickens:

♦ Evelyn Farkas has stated freely on TV that she and a group of associates from the Obama Administration went to congressional staffers who did not have access to these COMINT products and urged them to seek to gain access to them.

At some point in the recent past Farkas was de-briefed (cut off) from access to the various kinds of compartmented information she had been given as a requirement of her prior job. When that occurred she signed some papers in which she accepted the responsibility to protect the secrecy of that information. (link)

♦ Evelyn Farkas is also a senior fellow of the Atlantic Council –SEE HERE– the Atlantic Council is funded in part by the US State Department, NATO, the governments of Latvia and Lithuania, the Ukrainian World Congress, and the Ukrainian oligarch Victor Pinchuk. The Atlantic Council has been among the loudest voices calling for a new Cold War with Russia

And guess who else is a senior fellow of the Atlantic Council? Dimitri Alperovitch – the founder and CTO of CrowdStrike! Alperovitch is head honcho of the Atlantic Council’s “Cyber Statecraft Initiative”.

♦ CrowdStrike, aka Dimitri Alperovitch was the organization that initially claimed they had evidence the Russians were connected to the Trump organization. A claim they have subsequently walked back – SEE HERE

CrowdStrike has retracted statements it used to buttress claims of Russian hacking https://t.co/8AZOvoQl0K

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) March 28, 2017

Combine all of these data-points and you discover that Evelyn Farkas was essentially part of a disinformation campaign with Obama insiders spreading a fake DNC constructed story using false information. However, in addition to pushing the false Trump Russian conspiracy narrative, Farkas has knowledge of the outcome of the original pushing of the narrative leading to actual surveillance of the Trump team.

This bolsters the information already presented by Devin Nunes that an entirely separate network of surveillance, unrelated to the Russian conspiracy story, was directly targeting the candidacy of Trump and the post-election surveillance of the President Elect Trump-transition team.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...ouse-spied-on-candidatepresident-elect-trump/
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Now...like the narrative that is concocted by the left and spread by the Mainstream Media, this is all interesting circumstantial information but at least it's supported by facts instead of conjecture.
 
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