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After GOP Health Bill’s Demise, More States Weigh Expanding Medicaid

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Why doesn't the GOP just fix Obamacare/ACA. They can rename it if it helps their angry constituents.
It always polled better as 'ACA' anyway. No GOPer wanted their name on their proposed/failed bill, and it WAS an attempted fix ('OC light') anyway.
It seems it's now going to get even harder to Kill.
As Boehner predicted, they're not going to get rid of Obamacare.
Poll Approval?
Obamacare - 54%
Trump care - 17%

After GOP Health Bill’s Demise, More States Weigh Expanding Medicaid
Virginia, Maine and North Carolina are among the states taking steps toward growing their programs
ESJ - By STEPHANIE ARMOUR
Updated March 28, 2017 7:33 p.m. ET
https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-...ill-on-table-but-offer-no-timeline-1490728561
A growing number of States are considering Expanding their Medicaid programs under the Affordable Care Act, after last week’s abrupt collapse of the GOP health bill and a development that could make it Harder for Republicans to undo the law in the future.

Notably, the GOP-led Kansas legislature voted Tuesday to expand Medicaid over the protests of the state’s Republican governor. In addition, states including Virginia, Maine and North Carolina are taking steps toward growing their Medicaid programs now that the ACA seems unlikely to go away and federal money for such an expansion appears more secure.

At the same time, House Republican leaders, who were forced to withdraw a repeal-and-replace bill on Friday due to insufficient support from their own members, suggested Tuesday they were renewing their efforts. But there was little indication GOP divisions over the bill were healing, and Senate and White House officials said they saw No immediate path forward.
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It's purely because of politics. The old adage: "Demonizing an enemy empowers the powerless".

Politicians rode to power upon demonizing the ACA. Now they can't (easily) kill it, and they politically can't fix it either. So due to their political power-grab, the country must now suffer for their greed.
 
Chomsky said:
It's purely because of politics. The old adage: "Demonizing an enemy empowers the powerless".

Politicians rode to power upon demonizing the ACA. Now they can't (easily) kill it, and they politically can't fix it either. So due to their political power-grab, the country must now suffer for their greed.
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Governing - especially with a Sociopath in charge - is way harder than 8 years of leading a low brow/lowenbrau crowd of bashers.
One more sentence from WSJ I should have added:

"Given the prospect that, as House Speaker Paul Ryan said Friday, “We’re going to be living with Obamacare for the foreseeable future,” some state officials are taking another look at expanding Medicaid, including those who had demurred because they expected President Donald Trump and a GOP-led Congress to repeal the ACA."​
 
mbig said:
Why doesn't the GOP just fix Obamacare/ACA. They can rename it if it helps their angry constituents.
It always polled better as 'ACA' anyway. No GOPer wanted their name on their proposed/failed bill, and it WAS an attempted fix ('OC light') anyway.
It seems it's now going to get even harder to Kill.
As Boehner predicted, they're not going to get rid of Obamacare.
Poll Approval?
Obamacare - 54%
Trump care - 17%

After GOP Health Bill’s Demise, More States Weigh Expanding Medicaid
Virginia, Maine and North Carolina are among the states taking steps toward growing their programs
ESJ - By STEPHANIE ARMOUR
Updated March 28, 2017 7:33 p.m. ET
https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-...ill-on-table-but-offer-no-timeline-1490728561
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To add to the irony, the repubs will be expanding the part of ACA that depends on government health care, while undermining the part that depends on the private for-profit (ie marketplaces) insurance companies
 
sangha said:
To add to the irony, the repubs will be expanding the part of ACA that depends on government health care, while undermining the part that depends on the private for-profit (ie marketplaces) insurance companies
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To further the irony, its the health insurance companies that want more government subsidy for the public to take pressure off of them. That's because they are now in a different world and have the good sense to deal with the reality of that new business environment.

It was inevitable that the states refusing Medicaid expansion would come around. Part of the reason for the ACA not working is that the refusal by states to accept Medicaid expansion. Sooner or later, as was said to begin with, those states will come back, with their hand out for what was offered to them in the first place.
 
mbig said:
Why doesn't the GOP just fix Obamacare/ACA. They can rename it if it helps their angry constituents.
It always polled better as 'ACA' anyway. No GOPer wanted their name on their proposed/failed bill, and it WAS an attempted fix ('OC light') anyway.
It seems it's now going to get even harder to Kill.
As Boehner predicted, they're not going to get rid of Obamacare.
Poll Approval?
Obamacare - 54%
Trump care - 17%

After GOP Health Bill’s Demise, More States Weigh Expanding Medicaid
Virginia, Maine and North Carolina are among the states taking steps toward growing their programs
ESJ - By STEPHANIE ARMOUR
Updated March 28, 2017 7:33 p.m. ET
https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-...ill-on-table-but-offer-no-timeline-1490728561
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I'm not interested in subscribing so I can read that article. Can you tell me if it says what part of Obamacare ensures that the federal government will pay for this expansion of Medicaid in those states?

In any case, I have no problem with states expanding their Medicaid programs...I just don't want them coming to the federal government with their hand out expecting cash.
 
Mycroft said:
I'm not interested in subscribing so I can read that article. Can you tell me if it says what part of Obamacare ensures that the federal government will pay for this expansion of Medicaid in those states?
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Sec. 2001.
 
Mycroft said:
I'm not interested in subscribing so I can read that article. Can you tell me if it says what part of Obamacare ensures that the federal government will pay for this expansion of Medicaid in those states?

In any case, I have no problem with states expanding their Medicaid programs...I just don't want them coming to the federal government with their hand out expecting cash.
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I don't care what you're interested in.
It's sad you can't spend 10 secs Googling for an answer tho
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https://www.google.com/search?q=Sta...hrome..69i57j69i60l3&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
 
More pigs are bellying up to the trough. Trump should concentrate on fixing pieces of Obamacare. For example, he can propose legislation that limits medicaid expansion without repealing all of Obamacare, he can propose legislation which eliminates hate boner taxes and he can repeal the individual mandate. He can also reduce or remove subsidies for Obamacare.

Its all sillyness anyway as the healthcare systems spirals into non sustainable cost increases.
 
Mycroft said:
I'm not interested in subscribing so I can read that article. Can you tell me if it says what part of Obamacare ensures that the federal government will pay for this expansion of Medicaid in those states?

In any case, I have no problem with states expanding their Medicaid programs...I just don't want them coming to the federal government with their hand out expecting cash.
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Well, their hands are out and the Feds are paying - a little over 90% now, will go to 90% in 2020.

What kills me is taxpayers in Tennessee and other dumbass mostly red states are funding the Medicaid expansion costs.....for a bunch of liberals in blue states. They say, thank you for the federal money, the good healthcare jobs, investments in hospitals and clinics that red state federal taxes pay for!
 
JasperL said:
Well, their hands are out and the Feds are paying - a little over 90% now, will go to 90% in 2020.

What kills me is taxpayers in Tennessee and other dumbass mostly red states are funding the Medicaid expansion costs.....for a bunch of liberals in blue states. They say, thank you for the federal money, the good healthcare jobs, investments in hospitals and clinics that red state federal taxes pay for!
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So...the fed's money will be dropping. How does that help states to expand their programs...and how do they expect to get the feds to pay for their expansion?
 
JasperL said:
Well, their hands are out and the Feds are paying - a little over 90% now, will go to 90% in 2020.

What kills me is taxpayers in Tennessee and other dumbass mostly red states are funding the Medicaid expansion costs.....for a bunch of liberals in blue states. They say, thank you for the federal money, the good healthcare jobs, investments in hospitals and clinics that red state federal taxes pay for!
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You do realize that red states are generally takers and the blue states are generally givers when it comes to US expenditures and taxes.... so it will be the red states taking the medicaid expansion funded by the "bunch of liberals" in the blue states.
 
Mycroft said:
I'm not interested in subscribing so I can read that article. Can you tell me if it says what part of Obamacare ensures that the federal government will pay for this expansion of Medicaid in those states?

In any case, I have no problem with states expanding their Medicaid programs...I just don't want them coming to the federal government with their hand out expecting cash.
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The Medicaid expansion part of the program is that IF a state wanted to expand Medicaid, the fed would kick in for the expansion a certain amount for a certain # of years, then that federal assistance would end. If my memory serves, the fed assistance is for a few years. States don't have to expand Medicaid, if they don't want, though.

The federal government gives states money for their regular Medicaid programs.

Why the fed does this: The states need help in providing health care to the poor and working class; it's in the best interest of the country (the fed) for citizens to receive health care and for the country to help states provide health care.

The fed has been assisting state with Medicaid since forever.

We have states, it's true. But we are one country. The states are connected not just physically. We are a United States of America. Our money flows from one state to the other, one state's pollution drifts to the next state, workers in one state move to another, families live in different states, people from one state vacation and thereby give money to another state. We are one nation. This was settled with the Civil War.
 
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JasperL said:
Well, their hands are out and the Feds are paying - a little over 90% now, will go to 90% in 2020.

What kills me is taxpayers in Tennessee and other dumbass mostly red states are funding the Medicaid expansion costs.....for a bunch of liberals in blue states. They say, thank you for the federal money, the good healthcare jobs, investments in hospitals and clinics that red state federal taxes pay for!
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Hmmm...I'm guessing you're a Trumper? Since you just make statements that are divorced from reality. It is not true that red states are the rich states or that red states did not expand their Medicaid programs. While most states usually vote red or blue, persons of all political parties and ideologies live in all the states and pay taxes in those states; some red states voted for Bill Clinton and Obama, and some blue states voted for Trump. The states that have expanded Medicaid:

Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
District of Columbia
Hawaii
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Dakota
Ohio
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
Vermont
Washington
West Virginia

You can see by the list that a number of the states are known as red states. Several of those that have not expanded Medicaid are reconsidering, like Florida and TENNESSEE.

The Medicaid Expansion costs are offset to some degree by the billions of dollars in savings from emergency care and unpaid hospital bills, some of which are indirectly passed onto the average taxpayer with insurance.
 
upsideguy said:
You do realize that red states are generally takers and the blue states are generally givers when it comes to US expenditures and taxes.... so it will be the red states taking the medicaid expansion funded by the "bunch of liberals" in the blue states.
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No he doesn't, he doesn't like that "fake fact", the alternative fact fits his agenda better.
 
JasperL said:
Well, their hands are out and the Feds are paying - a little over 90% now, will go to 90% in 2020.

What kills me is taxpayers in Tennessee and other dumbass mostly red states are funding the Medicaid expansion costs.....for a bunch of liberals in blue states. They say, thank you for the federal money, the good healthcare jobs, investments in hospitals and clinics that red state federal taxes pay for!
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Oh you conservatives really need to give up on the alternative facts already!

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Hmmm...I'm guessing you're a Trumper? Since you just make statements that are divorced from reality. It is not true that red states are the rich states or that red states did not expand their Medicaid programs. While most states usually vote red or blue, persons of all political parties and ideologies live in all the states and pay taxes in those states; some red states voted for Bill Clinton and Obama, and some blue states voted for Trump.

You can see by the list that a number of the states are known as red states. Several of those that have not expanded Medicaid are reconsidering, like Florida and TENNESSEE.

The Medicaid Expansion costs are offset to some degree by the billions of dollars in savings from emergency care and unpaid hospital bills, some of which are indirectly passed onto the average taxpayer with insurance.
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LOL, that is the first time I've been called a Trumper!!

I was poking fun at my own idiotic state legislature for refusing to take a 90-10 deal on Medicaid for the state's VERY large working poor population, lots of them right here in my area. And it's just a fact that the VAST majority of states that didn't expand are red (i.e. with GOP Governors and legislatures), and that includes most of the deep red South, the former Confederacy:

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And, yeah, lots of liberals in red states - I'm one of them. And I think it's f'ing stupid that I pay income taxes to fund Medicaid expansion, but my neighbors don't get the benefits, the Tennessee hospitals don't get the additional funds, we're not hiring the nurses to take care of the working poor, and lots of rural hospitals are in bad trouble because their mostly poor customers can't pay and don't have Medicaid.
 
upsideguy said:
You do realize that red states are generally takers and the blue states are generally givers when it comes to US expenditures and taxes.... so it will be the red states taking the medicaid expansion funded by the "bunch of liberals" in the blue states.
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Yeah, I realize that and have pointed it out a few dozen times on DP. I live in a federal government hating, teat sucking red state, next to Oak Ridge which exists as a city because of efforts in WWII to build the nuclear bomb and since then because of $billions in Federal government funding for DOE and Oak Ridge National Lab.

And I was, again, just pointing out that Tennesseans like me are paying taxes, including the dedicated ACA taxes like the investment tax and the additional Medicare tax, that in part fund the Medicaid expansion.... in OTHER STATES. I think it's stupid, not to mention leaves hundreds of thousands of my NEIGHBORS without insurance.
 
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Mycroft said:
So...the fed's money will be dropping. How does that help states to expand their programs...and how do they expect to get the feds to pay for their expansion?
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The same way they already get federal Medicaid funds: matching funds for their spending. For every dollar they spend on the expansion population, the feds kick in $9. It's a good deal for their communities, poor populations, doctors, hospitals, jobs, and so on.
 
markjs said:
Oh you conservatives really need to give up on the alternative facts already!
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See my previous responses. I dropped that label during the Bush years, and every year after the national GOP proves that was a good decision.
 
markjs said:
No he doesn't, he doesn't like that "fake fact", the alternative fact fits his agenda better.
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Yeah, I do realize it. :roll:

I guess I phrased that response very poorly but it should have been obvious I support the Medicaid expansion, and believe my own state is stupid for turning down a 100-0 deal going to 90-10 in 2020.
 
JumpinJack said:
The Medicaid expansion part of the program is that IF a state wanted to expand Medicaid, the fed would kick in for the expansion a certain amount for a certain # of years, then that federal assistance would end. If my memory serves, the fed assistance is for a few years. States don't have to expand Medicaid, if they don't want, though.
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In the early years it was 100-0, Fed/state for the expansion population. After 2016, it drops slowly until by 2020, the funding drops to 90-10, Fed/state, which is still one helluva great deal compared to typical Medicaid funding which averages closer to 50-50.
 
JasperL said:
Yeah, I do realize it. :roll:

I guess I phrased that response very poorly but it should have been obvious I support the Medicaid expansion, and believe my own state is stupid for turning down a 100-0 deal going to 90-10 in 2020.
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K, sorry for the misunderstanding then. So often do I run into willfully ignorant, poorly educated, Trump fans, it's just a reflex.
 
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