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Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe[W:266]

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jmotivator said:
He actually briefed the news people before visiting the president.
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Wrong, he met "intel" personnel at the WH the day BEFORE his whirlwind 3 press conference day.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
It's unclear why Nunes would have to go to the White House to seek a secure location to view classified material, since his own committee has a secure room in the Capitol where Nunes and his aides review secret documents on a daily basis.
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They have their own facilities but I'm not sure how it is staffed, or what kind of connectivity it has, what level their facilities are cleared for (with all caveats). The only thing we know is that the information was provided at the WH's secure facility and it could not be physically taken out of there by Nunes. The other members of the committee have not bothered to go to the WH and view the information for themselves.

Those are the facts on the table.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe



Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R/CA) should immediately recuse himself. Nunes has shattered even any pretense of investigative-independence with his secret White House meetings.

What is actually needed is for Congress to remove itself altogether from an investigative stature (far too much partisanship) and appoint a mutually acceptable non-partisan independent investigator with subpoena power and open hearings on the Hill. The American people deserve to know with certainty whether or not the Trump administration is compromised (kompromat) via Kremlin influence.
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Power grabbers NEVER give up their power. It will be necessary for Paul Ryan or someone else to remove him, or the investigation transferred to another body.

It's no longer possible for the investigation to be properly handled in the House of Representatives. The Chairman is involved in a cover-up with the White House.

The Senate may be able to step in and do something. The intelligence committee in that body seems to be more professional and ethical.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
Wrong, he met "intel" personnel at the WH the day BEFORE his whirlwind 3 press conference day.
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He said "visiting the President", not went to the WH. He met with the President the next day.
 
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Fishking said:
I think you mean independent, right? As far as veto, anything can be overridden but you'd have to have the votes for it and I'm not sure it's their. The Oversight Committee is already a bipartisan body.
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Yes, independent with the powers to issue subpoenas and access to all Intelligence documents to complete their investigation.
The House Intelligence Com has a R majority, same with the House Oversight Committee- going by memory. So IMHO it is not a true Bi Partisan Committee as the 911 Commission was.
IIRC this was 5 R and 5 D?
 
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tres borrachos said:
I already said that.

I'm talking about optics. Optics. Join along.
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shrug...I don't give a damn about optics. I'm only commenting on your incorrect contention that Lynch recused herself. She didn't.

In any case, for someone who cares about optics you seem to be doing the same thing the media is doing by spinning stuff for the sake of optics by making it appear that Lynch recused herself...when she didn't.
 
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Fishking said:
They have their own facilities but I'm not sure how it is staffed, or what kind of connectivity it has, what level their facilities are cleared for (with all caveats). The only thing we know is that the information was provided at the WH's secure facility and it could not be physically taken out of there by Nunes. The other members of the committee have not bothered to go to the WH and view the information for themselves.

Those are the facts on the table.
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The fact is that the WH is not where the Congressional members conduct their business as a committee. The members have secure facilities in the Congressional buildings. If the WH was interested in presenting the committee with intel/info, it should know how to do that for the the body as a whole.
 
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Excon said:
Of course. It is the individual's responsibility to be appraised of all the arguments made, and information previously provided.


That you would even ask that says you should not be attempting to debate.
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So asking for information is not done? Good to know.
I do not think I am alone in that I do not read 10, or 40 pages of a thread. Poor response on your part.
I saved the link to watch later.
 
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JasperL said:
Why do you think that calling for an independent investigation is an attempt to thwart an investigation? That's complete nonsense.
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Because an independent investigator will take more time...allowing the Democrats to spin even more...and even, eventually, denying anything the investigator does or find. Heck, that's exactly what happened with that independent investigation against Clinton.

It's all tactics. They cannot control Nunes, so they have to get him out of the picture. Any means to achieve that are justified.
 
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Fishking said:
He said "visiting the President", not went to the WH. He met with the President the next day.
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The context is the Nunes/WH/intel, Nunes went the day before his press blitz.
 
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JANFU said:
Yes, independent with the powers to issue subpoenas and access to all Intelligence documents to complete their investigation.
The House Intelligence Com has a R majority, same with the House Oversight Committee- going by memory. So IMHO it is not a true Bi Partisan Committee as the 911 Commission was.
IIRC this was 5 R and 5 D?
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There are 15 Rs and 9 Ds, which Schiff being the ranking member after Nunes, who's the chair. That's pretty bipartisan. You'd have to accept that all 9 Democrat members are wholly inept at their job to write off that much of a presence.

The 9/11 commission was composed of 5 Rs and 6 Ds.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
The context is the Nunes/WH/intel, Nunes went the day before his press blitz.
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Well, he would have to have time-traveling capabilities to give a press release before he was given the intel brief. That aside, the context of the statement you responded to was "visiting the President". Those are specific words that you can't substitute with whatever you feel like.
 
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TheGoverness said:
Trump claimed Trump Tower was wiretapped by Obama during the 2016 election in order to undermine his campaign. The only wiretapping that happened at Trump Tower, was during a FBI investigation from back in 2011-2013, concerning a Russian crime ring. So sorry, Trump's claim is BS.
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"Wiretapped" maeaning spied upon and that appears to have happened
 
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tres borrachos said:
No, I am correct that Lynch removed herself from the decision because of her meeting with BillyC.
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Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:

IIRC, it was Clinton who waited to meet with Lynch in her plane on the tarmac at the airport, and after she met with him, she felt that the best way to handle that was to remove herself from the decision-making process because his wife was involved? How did he even know where Lynch would be at any given time? Some people are just lucky, I guess..... :shock:
 
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lurchadams said:
Right, sure. In spite of FBI, DOJ and NSA staying that's B.S. Whatever Sean Hannity says, you believe - I understand.
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Yes, in spite of no signed confession from the washington establishment spooks
 
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Fishking said:
There are 15 Rs and 9 Ds, which Schiff being the ranking member after Nunes, who's the chair. That's pretty bipartisan. You'd have to accept that all 9 Democrat members are wholly inept at their job to write off that much of a presence.

The 9/11 commission was composed of 5 Rs and 6 Ds.
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From what understand the Commission was 5 R and 5 D - Chairman was Gov Keane a Republican
With the way this is turning into a shxx show, that IMHO is the best answer to this.
 
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Gimmesometruth said:
The fact is that the WH is not where the Congressional members conduct their business as a committee. The members have secure facilities in the Congressional buildings. If the WH was interested in presenting the committee with intel/info, it should know how to do that for the the body as a whole.
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Well, yes...I think we all know that the White House is not occupying the same times/space zone as the offices of Congress. You'd need some kind of alter-dimensional technology for that to occur. So, until we have that level of technology, we have to deal with the realities at hand. Those realities also include that the U.S. Capitol building is 2.1 miles away from the White House. Shucks...a motivated member of Congress could even walk that distance. I know...it's so hard!

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Uni...5969d86d0b76bf!2m2!1d-77.0365298!2d38.8976763
 
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JANFU said:
So asking for information is not done? Good to know.
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Straw man.


JANFU said:
I do not think I am alone in that I do not read 10, or 40 pages of a thread. Poor response on your part.
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No. It is a poor response on your part.
It is your responsibility to know what has been argued and presented before you engage.



JANFU said:
I saved the link to watch later.
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Then get back with us once you have watched it.
 
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Fishking said:
Well, he would have to have time-traveling capabilities to give a press release before he was given the intel brief.
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I have no idea what you assume this addresses.
That aside, the context of the statement you responded to was "visiting the President". Those are specific words that you can't substitute with whatever you feel like.
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No, and you can't even begin to recognize context:
He legally received documents that he and the President were entitled to view.
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He actually briefed the news people before visiting the president.
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Fishking said:
To a degree those were partisan. What we do know is that Hillary knowingly lied about the motivation behind the Benghazi attack.
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No, she didn't. You'd have to unfairly attribute Susan Rice's statements to Hillary Clinton to claim as such. This is the type of falsehood that's unintentionally formed by lumping the opposition together.

Fishking said:
As for the emails, that was a serious breach of actual transparency regulations, regulations of classified information, ect. That everyone new a Clinton wouldn't actually be convicted of anything doesn't lessen the seriousness of the matter. If she wasn't a Clinton, she'd be in jail.
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The email issue had elements of real problems to them, but the crux of the issue was actually two things (1) the state department was not an informational security team player and (2) there weren't firm guidelines about using personal channels for official communications.

(1) wasn't Hillary's fault, it predated her tenure and endured beyond it. (2) wasn't her fault, either.

Actually, we would never have heard about this email crap if she wasn't a Clinton. That was literally the only reason it was brought up.

Fishking said:
Since there has been nothing but fake partisan outrage over the matter, I fail to see a reason for Nunes to step down. As to the reason that I personally have? Yeah, because the left has been afforded too much attention to their outrage and it's hampering actual work being done. Nunes stepping down wouldn't change anything, as they would move on to the next person to attack and make up controversy over. Conceding to the irrational left would only embolden them. They should be ignored and side-lined while Republicans move forward with actually running the government and appointing judges, ect. There is about a 1 1/2 year window left before the ability to get some things done may close.
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Good, so you admit Nunes stepping down wouldn't change anything.

If a prosecutor snuck relevant evidence over to the defendant and then buried the evidence before the trial, that would be unethical. Whether Nunes did or did not do so is irrelevant because it looks like he did. There's nothing irrational here except your attitude that it's acceptable for an investigator to collude with those who they are expected to investigate.
 
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JANFU said:
From what understand the Commission was 5 R and 5 D - Chairman was Gov Keane a Republican
With the way this is turning into a shxx show, that IMHO is the best answer to this.
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My additions in bold.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission

Thomas Kean (Chairman) - Republican(1R), former Governor of New Jersey
Lee H. Hamilton (Vice Chairman) - Democrat(1D), former U.S. Representative from the 9th District of Indiana
Richard Ben-Veniste - Democrat(2D), attorney and former chief of the Watergate Task Force of the Watergate Special Prosecutor's Office
Max Cleland - Democrat(3D), former U.S. Senator from Georgia. Resigned in December 2003, stating that "the White House has played cover-up"[9]
Fred F. Fielding - Republican(2R), attorney and former White House Counsel member.
Jamie Gorelick - Democrat(4D), former Deputy Attorney General in the Clinton Administration
Slade Gorton - Republican(3R), former U.S. Senator from Washington
Bob Kerrey - Democrat(5D), President of the New School University and former U.S. Senator from Nebraska. He replaced Max Cleland as a Democratic Commissioner, after Cleland's resignation.
John F. Lehman - Republican(4R), former Secretary of the Navy
Timothy J. Roemer - Democrat(6D), former U.S. Representative from the 3rd District of Indiana
James R. Thompson - Republican(5R), former Governor of Illinois
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Again, are you proposing that the ranking member after Nunes, Schiff, and the other 8 Democrats are wholly inept at doing their job? If so, we should fire all of them and appoint new members that actually are capable. If not, then there is no need to make an entirely new bipartisan team.
 
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Fishking said:
Well, yes...I think we all know that the White House is not occupying the same times/space zone as the offices of Congress. You'd need some kind of alter-dimensional technology for that to occur. So, until we have that level of technology, we have to deal with the realities at hand.
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There you go again creating weird nonsensical bs to cover up yer lack of argument.
Those realities also include that the U.S. Capitol building is 2.1 miles away from the White House. Shucks...a motivated member of Congress could even walk that distance. I know...it's so hard!

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Uni...5969d86d0b76bf!2m2!1d-77.0365298!2d38.8976763
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Sure, if you want to argue that this is not something the WH wants to present to the committee, but to only those who get a secret invite to visit. Again, if the WH wants to present intel to the committee as a body, it ought to know where to find the committee...and their secure rooms. But that isn't what happened, is it?
 
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Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe! Where are these calls coming from?
Nunez has demonstrated in the last week or so the attributes of an American statesmen of the highest order
history will reaffirm this. Those opposing Nunez continuing his noble work by seeking the truth are on their last legs.
 
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Fishking said:
My additions in bold.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission



Again, are you proposing that the ranking member after Nunes, Schiff, and the other 8 Democrats are wholly inept at doing their job? If so, we should fire all of them and appoint new members that actually are capable. If not, then there is no need to make an entirely new bipartisan team.
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I think it has become dysfunctional- Agree? Disagree?
 
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