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Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe[W:266]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

bubbabgone said:
Because the House "investigation" is about Russia/Trump collusion.
What Nunes was shown isn't.
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And we know that because he's refused to even brief Schiff and others on that, much less show them the information, that Nunes shared with the WH?
 
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Rogue Valley said:
Devin Nunes is making it very hard for Republicans to claim they can run an impartial investigation on Russia

Sean Spicer doesn't know how Devin Nunes got on White House grounds

Nunes couldn't have entered the White House grounds and used a Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility (SCIF) without the express permission of a White House insider. The same permissions procedure applies to whoever Nunes met with in the SCIF. In addirion, someone in the Trump White House had to provide Nunes with SCIF computer log-on credentials.
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Watch the provided video of his interview.
 
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JasperL said:
And we know that because he's refused to even brief Schiff and others on that, much less show them the information, that Nunes shared with the WH?
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I beg of you, read the article here ...
https://www.debatepolitics.com/us-p...ins-his-white-house-visit.html#post1067036251

Before getting too excited about oversharing intelligence, however, let's remember that Nunes is the only member of his committee to actually read these documents. It's possible that other people could have a different interpretation of what they mean or their pertinence to foreign intelligence collection, the legal standard that must be met to unmask the names of U.S. persons incidentally collected by the intelligence community.

The good news is that we will soon get a second and third opinion. Nunes told me that he expects that his committee's members, including Democrats, will be able to read these documents themselves at secure locations outside of Congress as soon as this week.
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...and listen to the video.
 
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JasperL said:
Can you explain his behavior last week and defend it as appropriate in his role as head of the investigation? Seems like going to WH for secret briefing, the briefing the potential target (Trump) or his associates in a private meeting, this person who Nunes served during the campaign and transition, and refusing to share that info with ANYONE, is just on its face disqualifying.
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It would seem to me if the data was not useful to the investigation but did shed light on actions against the POTUS within the IC then it would be well within his right to notify the President.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe



Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R/CA) should immediately recuse himself. Nunes has shattered even any pretense of investigative-independence with his secret White House meetings.

What is actually needed is for Congress to remove itself altogether from an investigative stature (far too much partisanship) and appoint a mutually acceptable non-partisan independent investigator with subpoena power and open hearings on the Hill. The American people deserve to know with certainty whether or not the Trump administration is compromised (kompromat) via Kremlin influence.
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Lol....I bet they are, got to get Nunez out of there and this investifation shut down before any more new damaging evidence that implicates the Obama admimistration is released.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
I don't know if Nunes has actually done anything wrong/illegal, but it certainly has not looked good. Whether he's done anything wrong or not, I honestly haven't followed the story close enough to know. But I do know it looks bad to be investigating the White House and then go to the White House for information, not share it with the rest of your committee and then hold multiple press conferences about the information you viewed at the White House. That looks bad.

Should he recuse himself? If there is truly nothing wrong with what the White House has done, then I don't see how it would hurt the Republican Party to ask him to step aside. If there is truly nothing to hide, it seems to me Republicans can put themselves forth as "honest" by having Nunes step aside and then show that no information suggests the White House did anything wrong/illegal. I suspect he won't step aside, but he certainly has hurt his credibility in this investigation.
Before last week, I don't believe there was anyone who supported Nunes recusing himself. So, yes, after his actions there is "growing" support. Is it primarily Democrats? Undoubtedly, but given the fairly head-scratching behavior of Nunes last week, similar actions this week would likely start seeing Republicans support it as well.
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We can speculate all day. I can say that Nunes went to the President because he had evidence that Schiff was involved in the leaks and be on just as firm ground as anything currently leveled at Trump. I hear Schiff meets with Security personnel who have access to the leaked data and everything!
 
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Master PO said:


oh, what the h#ll
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You have that and the stuff in post #13.

Apparently it doesn't even register with the biased. :shrug:
 
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jmotivator said:
We can speculate all day. I can say that Nunes went to the President because he had evidence that Schiff was involved in the leaks and be on just as firm ground as anything currently leveled at Trump. I hear Schiff meets with Security personnel who have access to the leaked data and everything!
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...And I wonder if they've found Schiff's neck yet. It's either lost or somebody somewhere stole it. I don't know how a guy is supposed to conduct incisive questioning without a neck. I'll give the guy credit for trying though.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R/CA) should immediately recuse himself. Nunes has shattered even any pretense of investigative-independence with his secret White House meetings.

What is actually needed is for Congress to remove itself altogether from an investigative stature (far too much partisanship) and appoint a mutually acceptable non-partisan independent investigator with subpoena power and open hearings on the Hill. The American people deserve to know with certainty whether or not the Trump administration is compromised (kompromat) via Kremlin influence.
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No he shouldn't. All calls should be ignored. This is nothing but a strategic move that is part of a greater strategy to dismantle any ability of the current administration, and the Republican Congress, to conduct business. If Nunes stepped down it would be on to the next target. Ever successful attempt is merely motivation and encouragement to go on to the next target.

All calls by the left should be ignored 100%. They are not in power of everything and the government should stop wasting time on these distractions and get to work doing things like appointing judges and crafting legislation.
 
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tres borrachos said:
You said my post better than I did. It's all about the optics here. I doubt Nunes did anything illegal and possibly didn't even do anything immoral. But what he did was optically awful and the fact that Paul Ryan either doesn't see it or doesn't agree with that to me is more concerning than anything Devin Nunes actually did.
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I think it's more of a matter of the media spreading a false narrative of how things went down and hyper-inflating what happened. It should be dismissed because optics alone is not a valid complaint.
 
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It appears Trump has Nunes in his pocket. Proof, why did Nunes go ALONE to the WH, and why has NO one seen this info. The GOP is looking to get fired Nov 2018. Its obvious Nunes is not impartial, nor does he have the integrity to step down.
 
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chuck Schumer said Nunes should step down so Nunes should step down? How ridiculous. Someone call a press conference and ask Schumer to step down.

Has anyone informed the Democrats they lost big in 2016 yet?
 
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yankintx said:
It appears Trump has Nunes in his pocket. Proof, why did Nunes go ALONE to the WH, and why has NO one seen this info. The GOP is looking to get fired Nov 2018. Its obvious Nunes is not impartial, nor does he have the integrity to step down.
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I see you haven't paid a lick of attention to the information that was already provided.
See posts #13 and #30 and watch the videos.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
I'm still awaiting the solid evidence that the Russia's actually hacked the DNC.
Given that last week, we've got an under reported story about Crowdstrikes data "investigation" about another issue being wrong.
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Yep...so many don't even realize that there was no actual government investigation of the DNC servers and that the DNC actually rejected the government's request to do so. Yeah...that totally makes sense.

In their vaunted report, they had things like Russia Today reporting the the two party system doesn't represent a large number of Americans or that Russia Today gave a platform to 3rd party candidates. I mean, really? I've been involved in this area of work for years and there is a format that is followed and I can spot the difference between a report that is full of solid points and ones that includes fluff points to pad the narrative. It was full of fluff, meaning they had an overall weak report.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Make that Executive branch insider ... Intel orgs are in the Executive branch.
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An IC head/agent can't unilaterally get Nunes into the White House SCIF. It has to be a WH staffer high up on the food chain, someone like Priebus, Kushner, Conway etc.

Everyone in government not a White House staff member must fill out a mandatory form to enter the White House grounds. Under Obama this particular list was public and updated every 90 days.

While many are assuming that Nunes simply went a bit rogue, this is looking more like a White House operation in which Nunes played a specific role.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
An IC head/agent can't unilaterally get Nunes into the White House SCIF. It has to be a WH staffer high up on the food chain, someone like Priebus, Kushner, Conway etc.

Everyone in government not a White House staff member must fill out a mandatory form to enter the White House grounds. Under Obama this particular list was public and updated every 90 days.

While many are assuming that Nunes simply went a bit rogue, this is looking more like a White House operation in which Nunes played a specific role.
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And again you have not paid attention to what Nunes said. Watch the videos.
 
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prometeus said:
That is a BS deflection. The previous administration is not the target of this investigation. If they have something to investigate let them and nail their asses to the wall, but that has zero to do with this one.
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Yes, it actually is part of the investigation.

No such thing will ever come to pass. Some other poor bastard will fall on a sword. It is just the way things are done.
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What sword? The imaginary one?
 
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Fishking said:
I think it's more of a matter of the media spreading a false narrative of how things went down and hyper-inflating what happened. It should be dismissed because optics alone is not a valid complaint.
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So you know all of the facts of what went on when Nunes was at the White House the night before he went public at the White House with the information he was given at the White House the day before? Okay. You have my attention. Please share with me (and presumably everyone else who also doesn't know) who Nunes met with, how he was signed into the White House, why he didn't just share the information with the President that night, why he didn't share the information with anyone else on the Intelligence Committee, and so on. Thanks.
 
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badfish said:
chuck Schumer said Nunes should step down so Nunes should step down? How ridiculous. Someone call a press conference and ask Schumer to step down.

Has anyone informed the Democrats they lost big in 2016 yet?
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Why would a duly elected Senator step down from his Senate seat?
 
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tres borrachos said:
So you know all of the facts of what went on when Nunes was at the White House the night before he went public at the White House with the information he was given at the White House the day before? Okay. You have my attention. Please share with me (and presumably everyone else who also doesn't know) why Nunes met with, how he was signed into the White House, why he didn't just share the information with the President that night, why he didn't share the information with anyone else on the Intelligence Committee, and so on. Thanks.
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Yeah...he went there to view materials that were unable to be brought to the Intelligence Committee and then informed the President of what he learned the next day. You know what can also happen? Other people on the committee can get off their butts and make the drive to view said documents as well.

Presumably, the biggest motivator would be to knock down fall narratives and to combat misinformation brought about by partial leaks that fed into said false narratives. As it stands so far, you've had multiple people, to include those from the previous administration (i.e. Clapper) state that there is no evidence of wrongdoing yet here we are wasting time, resources, effort, for a clownshow of an investigation.
 
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Rogue Valley said:
An IC head/agent can't unilaterally get Nunes into the White House SCIF. It has to be a WH staffer high up on the food chain, someone like Priebus, Kushner, Conway etc.

Everyone in government not a White House staff member must fill out a mandatory form to enter the White House grounds. Under Obama this particular list was public and updated every 90 days.

While many are assuming that Nunes simply went a bit rogue, this is looking more like a White House operation in which Nunes played a specific role.
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Thank you.
 
Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Fishking said:
Yeah...he went there to view materials that were unable to be brought to the Intelligence Committee and then informed the President of what he learned the next day. You know what can also happen? Other people on the committee can get off their butts and make the drive to view said documents as well.

Presumably, the biggest motivator would be to knock down fall narratives and to combat misinformation brought about by partial leaks that fed into said false narratives. As it stands so far, you've had multiple people, to include those from the previous administration (i.e. Clapper) state that there is no evidence of wrongdoing yet here we are wasting time, resources, effort, for a clownshow of an investigation.
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That didn't answer anyone's questions. Who did he meet with? Who signed him into the WH? Why didn't he brief Trump that night? Why didn't he share this important information with anyone else? How come you acted like you knew more than the rest of the world did, but you just disappointed all of us?

Clapper has nothing to do with this, unless he was the person who shared this information with Nunes. Was he?
 
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jmotivator said:
It would seem to me if the data was not useful to the investigation but did shed light on actions against the POTUS within the IC then it would be well within his right to notify the President.
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But "actions against the POTUS" are impossible to evaluate outside the investigation. And it's not about his 'right' to do anything - it's whether the clown show he put on is appropriate for the head of a serious investigation into the Trump campaign. Trump obviously has a vested interest in the outcome, and briefing him about who knows what, that he will not share, in private seems obviously inappropriate.
 
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jmotivator said:
We can speculate all day. I can say that Nunes went to the President because he had evidence that Schiff was involved in the leaks and be on just as firm ground as anything currently leveled at Trump. I hear Schiff meets with Security personnel who have access to the leaked data and everything!
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I'm not speculating about anything, all I'm saying is that it looks bad.
 
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