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In a Call to The Times, Trump Blames Democrats for the Failure of the Health Bill

countryboy said:
Look it up, it's not up to me to cure your ignorance.
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It's not your responsibility, but you did mention the solutions without explaining them. I don't know why you'd bother if you don't intend on explaining yourself. I mean "debate" is in the name of this forum...

countryboy said:
Besides, what would be the point? You will not accept anything less than total government control of healthcare.
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Making up a lame straw man and projecting it on me. Cool.
 
danarhea said:
Let's see here..............

1) Republicans own the House.

2) Republicans own the Senate.

3) Republicans own the Presidency.

4) So it's the Democrats' fault no work is getting done.

WTF is he smoking?
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If Trump could fire Republican Congressmen and Senators who jumped ship on this issue, he would.
 
Democrats were as responsible for this loss as "compromises" made to the ACA were done to get republican votes.

I.e...they weren't. Just as democrats had to compromise and water down their desires to get other DEMOCRATS on board to vote for the ACA, republicans were unable to compromise or move odd principle to get enough REPUBLICAN votes on board to get this passed.

The responsibility for this bill failing is on the republicans for not being able to craft something that at least garnered partisan, if not bipartisan, support to a level necessary for passage.
 
TurtleDude said:
not blaming anyone-just noting that one party is more herd like than the other
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Not at all, in fact I'd say it was the opposite. The left has a pretty wide swath of views but when it comes to making deals and getting things done they compromise. Having people in Washington who refuse to do anything unless it 100% conforms to their ideology are less than useless, they are barriers to progress.
 
ocean515 said:
Yes they did fail to get enough votes on this attempt.

Do you think a second run at it will include input from members of the party responsible for it, or will members of the party responsible for creating Obamacare signal they are willing to sit back and subject the citizens to more of what they created?
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Democrats won't play along.

The fact is, despite your desperate attempts to keep blaming it on Democrats, the ones who failed to govern in this case are the Republicans.
 
NIMBY said:
The problem on any house legislation is the 'Hastert Rule' from 22 years ago, requiring all 218 votes to come from their caucus. Instead of the majority of the majority, it's become at least two minorities of the majority.

Imagine if Ryan told the Freedom Circus to piss off and came to us moderate DEMs like Hoyer and worked on a brand new plan from ground up. If Ryan loses all 37 HFC members, he'd only need 14 DEMs. Then pass repeal and replace at the same time. Even better would be if we had a bipartisan bicameral select committee.

Have you seen the millions Ryan is throwing at DEM Ossoff in Price's GA-6 CD. He's got a real shot at it, but will likely have a runoff. Another GOP seat in trouble is at-large Montana, with a very popular DEM Quist. I doubt Ryan does health care again until all 435 members are seated, including SC-5, KS-4, both GOPs; and DEM CA-34 .
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I'm with you on being against the Hastert rule. It shouldn't matter where 218 votes comes from. If you can reach 218 votes with a combination of Republicans and Democrats to pass something, so much the better.

I personally doubt health care will be brought up again until after the 2018 midterms.
 
Perotista said:
I'm with you on being against the Hastert rule. It shouldn't matter where 218 votes comes from. If you can reach 218 votes with a combination of Republicans and Democrats to pass something, so much the better.

I personally doubt health care will be brought up again until after the 2018 midterms.
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Watch the date of June 20, when SC and GA have their runoff for their open rep seats. At that point, Ryan could have a maximum of 241 members of 435.

I see one of two things happening before the August recess. Either Price will work under the radar with Ryan to get a deal or Price and Ryan will sabotage ACA, which I'm seeing signs of already.

In a perfect world, we'd get a gigantic omnibus before August with several functional bipartisan bicameral committees working on such items as health care, tax reform, infrastructure and the rest of the cabinet structure.

Unfortunately, as long as we have this 'Hastert Rule' that ignores moderate DEMs and empowers a minority of the majority, we're screwed .
 
rocket88 said:
Democrats won't play along.

The fact is, despite your desperate attempts to keep blaming it on Democrats, the ones who failed to govern in this case are the Republicans.
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You need to work a bit harder to try and shift the blame from the creators of the Obamacare mess. The Republicans fell short on passing legislation to correct the Democrats mess.

Failing to govern would have been to never have made the effort in the first place.

The only ones who have failed to govern on this issue are the ones who created the mess in the first place.
 
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