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Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Times

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HEMPSTEAD, Long Island (WABC) --
Police have arrested a Long Island man who has been previously deported multiple times in connection with the sexual assault of a toddler and the stabbings of a woman outside a bar and the child's mother on the same night.

Nassau County police say 31-year-old Tommy Vladim Alvarado-Ventura, of Hempstead, was home with the 2-year-old daughter and 4-year-old son of an acquaintance, as well as another tenant who was watching the children while their mother was at work. Authorities say the 2-year-old was heard crying as Alvarado-Ventura left the residence at 12:30 a.m. Tuesday, before he apparently headed to El Mariachi Loco bar on Fulton Avenue.
Police: Long Island man charged in sex assault of toddler, 2 stabbings was deported 4 times | abc7ny.com


It seems that there are new stories of illegal immigrants committing vicious crimes daily in this country. And yes, some don't. But after so much scrutiny of President Trump's remarks about rapists illegally migrating to the USA, even the most die hard liberal must admit that there's some truth to what Trump said.

The man in this story was even deported on multiple occasions. We must admit that there's a problem before truly progressing as a country.
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

It seems that there are new stories of illegal immigrants committing vicious crimes daily in this country. And yes, some don't. But after so much scrutiny of President Trump's remarks about rapists illegally migrating to the USA, even the most die hard liberal must admit that there's some truth to what Trump said.

The man in this story was even deported on multiple occasions. We must admit that there's a problem before truly progressing as a country.

So the solution is to deport millions of men women and children due to a few sick mental cases that belong to that group of 11 millions plus?

As if there was not far far more rapists and murderers and bad actors by far who roots go back generations.

Studies I had seen show immigrants both legal and illegal are far more law abiding then non immigrants.

Voices: How violent are undocumented immigrants?

The authors also looked at incarceration rates for males between 18 and 39, since most crimes are committed by males in that age range. Using data from the 2010 Census, the report found that 1.6% of foreign-born males are in jail, compared with 3.3% of the native-born population. Researchers have long questioned the accuracy of Census data for prisoners, since the information they get from inmates is often incomplete, and immigrants could lie out of fear of being deported. But the authors found similar trends going back to 1980, so that helps bolster their case.

Finally, the authors tried to isolate undocumented immigrants through a variety of narrow studies conducted in recent decades. In each case, they found evidence to show that undocumented immigrants were less likely to commit violent crimes than their native-born neighbors.

San Francisco shooting case shows disconnect on immigration
So where does that leave us?

The reporter in me wishes there was a more definitive way of comparing crime rates for undocumented immigrants and the American-born population. But using the data we have, it seems impossible to responsibly claim that those immigrants are more likely to commit crimes than their American-born neighbors.

Don't trust me? How about the Center for Immigration Studies, which opposes any kind of plan to grant legal status to undocumented immigrants and regularly testifies in Congress against them.

"There's no evidence that immigrants are either more or less likely to commit crimes than anyone else in the population," Janice Kephart, a CIS researcher, said last week on the PBS NewsHour.

In the world of the immigration debate, that's as definitive as it gets.

Gomez is a Miami-based correspondent for USA TODAY

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Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

Illegal immigrants, by definition, are not more law-abiding than citizens. They are here illegally, so whether they're minding their p's and q's otherwise, they're still criminals.
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

So the solution is to deport millions of men women and children due to a few sick mental cases that belong to that group of 11 millions plus?

As if there was not far far more rapists and murderers and bad actors by far who roots go back generations.

Studies I had seen show immigrants both legal and illegal are far more law abiding then non immigrants.

I'm supposed to believe that 'immigrants commit less crime than Americans', because its a mantra that's been spouted for many years. Sorry, I don't buy it.

You can't even tell me how many illegal immigrants are in the country, yet I'm supposed to believe that they're model citizens? I've got news for you: the left has been using the figure of 11 million illegal immigrants since 2004, 13 years ago!

Do you expect me to believe that the population has remained the same for 13 years? 2004 was a long time ago, its time to go do some research and update the real number. Then after you do that, I might be more inclined to believe that you're speaking from your knowledge instead of your emotions.
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

Illegal immigrants, by definition, are not more law-abiding than citizens. They are here illegally, so whether they're minding their p's and q's otherwise, they're still criminals.

And we know that they control almost 100% of the illegal drug trade. No other group is actively smuggling in thousands of pounds of drugs which ends up getting black youth killed all across the country, as they join gangs to try and get out of poverty in ghettos all across the U.S.

They also have cartel members stationed in all 50 states. Yet people are willing to overlook this because they'd rather cling to their naive vision of illegals picking their salad. In reality, 96% of illegal immigrants work in occupations other than agriculture.
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

So the solution is to deport millions of men women and children due to a few sick mental cases that belong to that group of 11 millions plus?

Yep. A government's first and only obligation is the welfare of its citizens.

Once it begins placing the welfare of other nations' citizens above the welfare of its own it relinquishes its right to govern the latter.

As if there was not far far more rapists and murderers and bad actors by far who roots go back generations.

There will always be something worse than the problem at hand.

That doesn't mean the problem at hand isn't perfectly legitimate and worth solving in itself.

Pointing it out, though, does appear to be a typical sign that someone has no argument and nothing to add to the actual topic.

The "but XYZ is worse" reply is practically a Godwinism - a comment that instantly loses the debate for the one who made it.

Studies I had seen show immigrants both legal and illegal are far more law abiding then non immigrants.

Which is irrelevant unless you're arguing it ought to be a government's policy to displace its citizens with foreigners whenever it fancies those foreigners "better" people than the ones it's got.
 
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Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

It seems that there are new stories of illegal immigrants committing vicious crimes daily in this country. And yes, some don't. But after so much scrutiny of President Trump's remarks about rapists illegally migrating to the USA, even the most die hard liberal must admit that there's some truth to what Trump said.

The man in this story was even deported on multiple occasions. We must admit that there's a problem before truly progressing as a country.

The real problem is there was a systematic effort by democrats and the liberal media NOT to report or talk about crimes by illegals . We keep stats on the most mundane things BUT when it comes to ILLEGALS and crime there is very little to nothing , yet our prisons and jails are loaded with them . In most crime report they are listed as "white " with no mention of ILLEGAL .
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

I'm supposed to believe that 'immigrants commit less crime than Americans', because its a mantra that's been spouted for many years. Sorry, I don't buy it.

You can't even tell me how many illegal immigrants are in the country, yet I'm supposed to believe that they're model citizens? I've got news for you: the left has been using the figure of 11 million illegal immigrants since 2004, 13 years ago!

Do you expect me to believe that the population has remained the same for 13 years? 2004 was a long time ago, its time to go do some research and update the real number. Then after you do that, I might be more inclined to believe that you're speaking from your knowledge instead of your emotions.

Maybe I can help...this was reported this month:

Immigrants commit less crime than native-born Americans - Business Insider
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

It seems that there are new stories of illegal immigrants committing vicious crimes daily in this country. And yes, some don't. But after so much scrutiny of President Trump's remarks about rapists illegally migrating to the USA, even the most die hard liberal must admit that there's some truth to what Trump said.

The man in this story was even deported on multiple occasions. We must admit that there's a problem before truly progressing as a country.

How often do you look up or read stories about illegal immigrants doing good things for the country? Ponder that for a moment. It would only take a quick Google search. What is stopping you? You could even post it here and comment on it to prove me wrong.

That is why this thread is nothing but a masturbation of your own confirmation bias. You could find anecdotal evidence to support any worldview, but it would actually take courage to face the ambiguity that comes with dealing with any group of people.
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim


Within the study, is there a demographic that capsulizes the crime rate among those illegal immigrants who have been deported multiple times?

Given the lax enforcement of the laws on this, it seems like the multiple deportees are a special class of miscreant.
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

Within the study, is there a demographic that capsulizes the crime rate among those illegal immigrants who have been deported multiple times?

Given the lax enforcement of the laws on this, it seems like the multiple deportees are a special class of miscreant.

Not sure, but I don't think anyone would disagree with you, in the same way that a native born recidivist is a special class of miscreant...same thing, no?
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

There are good and bad in any community, including immigrants. My impression is that immigrant crime is generally lower than that of the native population (other than being there illegally) It's a very broad assumption to suppose that more criminals migrate. Many of the earliest Americans were criminals sentenced to transportation, but even then they were outnumbered by economic migrants.
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

So the solution is to deport millions of men women and children due to a few sick mental cases that belong to that group of 11 millions plus?

No...they'd be deported due to being here illegally. This just highlights one of the many reasons why.
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

How often do you look up or read stories about illegal immigrants doing good things for the country? Ponder that for a moment. It would only take a quick Google search. What is stopping you? You could even post it here and comment on it to prove me wrong.

That is why this thread is nothing but a masturbation of your own confirmation bias. You could find anecdotal evidence to support any worldview, but it would actually take courage to face the ambiguity that comes with dealing with any group of people.

I live in California, a sanctuary state. The negative impact of illegal immigration goes far beyond crime. The central valley of California is now the most polluted region of the United States, due to population explosion. Several decades ago, the valley was actually a place where doctors recommended people with breathing problems to go, because the air quality was above standard.

There are now over 1,000,000 gang members in the US, the majority of which are Latino. The gang members are largely first or second generation Americans.

The job market for entire industries have been decimated, due to illegals who are willing to work for wages that most Americans can't sustain their families on.

And finally, I've personally witnessed illegal immigration in my area, and how it is changing the state into a ****hole, full of pollution, heavy traffic, and crime. I guess I should be overwhelmingly excited about paying less for lettuce like the media tells me to though, right?
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

There are good and bad in any community, including immigrants. My impression is that immigrant crime is generally lower than that of the native population (other than being there illegally) It's a very broad assumption to suppose that more criminals migrate. Many of the earliest Americans were criminals sentenced to transportation, but even then they were outnumbered by economic migrants.

Immigration is still producing a hell of a lot of crime. The children of immigrants are the most likely group to join gangs, but we consider them to be Americans, even though they wouldn't be here if their parents hadn't brought them here, or gave birth to them here.

Even though whites outnumber Latinos, Latinos make up about 50% of all gang members. Care to delve into that?
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

I live in California, a sanctuary state. The negative impact of illegal immigration goes far beyond crime. The central valley of California is now the most polluted region of the United States, due to population explosion. Several decades ago, the valley was actually a place where doctors recommended people with breathing problems to go, because the air quality was above standard.

There are now over 1,000,000 gang members in the US, the majority of which are Latino. The gang members are largely first or second generation Americans.

The job market for entire industries have been decimated, due to illegals who are willing to work for wages that most Americans can't sustain their families on.

And finally, I've personally witnessed illegal immigration in my area, and how it is changing the state into a ****hole, full of pollution, heavy traffic, and crime. I guess I should be overwhelmingly excited about paying less for lettuce like the media tells me to though, right?

Lol. At least you cut to the chase instead of pretending to be in anyway open minded about the issue and it's complexities. Broad generalizations, unsubstantiated assumptions, and oversimplification; the hallmarks of an absolute lack of critical thought. I hope you enjoy combing the Internet for every story of an illegal who has done something so you can fuel that self righteous rage. I would hate for you to actually put thought into it beyond what you want to believe and looking only for evidence to support your hatred of an entire group of people.
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

Not sure, but I don't think anyone would disagree with you, in the same way that a native born recidivist is a special class of miscreant...same thing, no?

A native born recidivist is obviously committing crimes beyond merely being in country illegally.

Given the state of law enforcement on immigration matters, maybe the parallel exists.

It seems like the shocking-crime examples brought forth by the media sources that still cover crime by immigrants include the reference to the multiple deportations.

People who beat the old and weak or rape the toddler are a special kind of vermin. Regardless of race, creed, color or immigration status, these folks need to be exterminated. It's a societal imperative.
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

It seems that there are new stories of illegal immigrants committing vicious crimes daily in this country. And yes, some don't. But after so much scrutiny of President Trump's remarks about rapists illegally migrating to the USA, even the most die hard liberal must admit that there's some truth to what Trump said.

The man in this story was even deported on multiple occasions. We must admit that there's a problem before truly progressing as a country.

You do realize that the guy had already been deported four times, right? It's not people ignored him being here. He simply came back.

What should they have done the first time he returned--- Shoot him in the face?
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

Lol. At least you cut to the chase instead of pretending to be in anyway open minded about the issue and it's complexities. Broad generalizations, unsubstantiated assumptions, and oversimplification; the hallmarks of an absolute lack of critical thought. I hope you enjoy combing the Internet for every story of an illegal who has done something so you can fuel that self righteous rage. I would hate for you to actually put thought into it beyond what you want to believe and looking only for evidence to support your hatred of an entire group of people.

I hope you enjoyed personally attacking somebody else. As for "oversimplification," the issue of those who are here illegally committing crimes is actually pretty simple: They shouldn't be here to commit those crimes.

Perhaps you don't live in a community or state plagued by the problems created by those here illegally. I do and have posted about this since I joined DP. The burdens on the healthcare system, particularly in more rural areas, are breaking the system. The DUIs alone are an ongoing tragedy with, very often, no legal redress.
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

Illegal immigrants, by definition, are not more law-abiding than citizens. They are here illegally, so whether they're minding their p's and q's otherwise, they're still criminals.

LOL the point being however that if anything they are less likely to be rapists or murderers of other kind of violence crimianals then born citizens.

Next I do not see for some strange reason men like Trump who knowingly hire this group of men and women being charge with a crime either
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

Yep. A government's first and only obligation is the welfare of its citizens.

Once it begins placing the welfare of other nations' citizens above the welfare of its own it relinquishes its right to govern the latter.



There will always be something worse than the problem at hand.

That doesn't mean the problem at hand isn't perfectly legitimate and worth solving in itself.

Pointing it out, though, does appear to be a typical sign that someone has no argument and nothing to add to the actual topic.

The "but XYZ is worse" reply is practically a Godwinism - a comment that instantly loses the debate for the one who made it.



Which is irrelevant unless you're arguing it ought to be a government's policy to displace its citizens with foreigners whenever it fancies those foreigners "better" people than the ones it's got.

If there is a real desire to end illegal immigration instead of having a super cheap work force with no rights then charge men like Trump who had hired thousands of this workforce knowingly with the crime of doing so.
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

LOL the point being however that if anything they are less likely to be rapists or murderers of other kind of violence crimianals then born citizens.

That's not the point at all.

Next I do not see for some strange reason men like Trump who knowingly hire this group of men and women being charge with a crime either

There are laws that punish employers for hiring illegals. The laws should be enforced. Obama amnesty extends to businesses that hire illegals - Washington Times
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

I hope you enjoyed personally attacking somebody else. As for "oversimplification," the issue of those who are here illegally committing crimes is actually pretty simple: They shouldn't be here to commit those crimes.

Perhaps you don't live in a community or state plagued by the problems created by those here illegally. I do and have posted about this since I joined DP. The burdens on the healthcare system, particularly in more rural areas, are breaking the system. The DUIs alone are an ongoing tragedy with, very often, no legal redress.

Uh huh. You haven't posted a thing to support anything you have had to say but anecdotal crap.
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

There are good and bad in any community, including immigrants. My impression is that immigrant crime is generally lower than that of the native population (other than being there illegally) It's a very broad assumption to suppose that more criminals migrate. Many of the earliest Americans were criminals sentenced to transportation, but even then they were outnumbered by economic migrants.

Illegals working legitimate jobs are using stolen identities.
 
Re: Long Island Man Charged in Sex Assault of Toddler, 2 Stabbings was Deported 4 Tim

It seems that there are new stories of illegal immigrants committing vicious crimes daily in this country. And yes, some don't. But after so much scrutiny of President Trump's remarks about rapists illegally migrating to the USA, even the most die hard liberal must admit that there's some truth to what Trump said.

The man in this story was even deported on multiple occasions. We must admit that there's a problem before truly progressing as a country.

He could also have said, "Hospitals are admitting rapists, murders, to practice medicine in their facilities" because some doctors are rapists and murderers and drug dealers. Of course "some" doctors are not any of those things... :roll:

FWIW the icing on the cake was Trump's comment, "Some, I assume, are good people."
 
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