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Republicans Yank Obamacare Repeal Bill

Oh. You mean like when the Presidency tried to argue that it both WAS and WAS NOT a tax? Or when Obama promised that folks could keep their health plans and doctors when the Administration knew that wasn't true? Or the claim that the ACA would lower our premiums by $2.5K?

Yeah. Good times.

I explained my point below. Politicians lie - like when every GOPer in the past 40 years tells us tax cuts are offset by the magic of supply side and if not pay for themselves, nearly so. But when the Democrats protected people for pre-existing conditions, they legislated the part people hated, the mandates and minimum coverage. The GOP tells us those aren't necessary.

Eh, there are ways to do it. I'm a fan of the "If you drop off the rolls for more than 90 days, you are no longer protected" rule.

Right, but that just means that pre-existing conditions are no longer covered and the sick or previously sick are a job loss from forever screwed. Besides, that was essentially the rule pre-ACA, and for lots of reasons, people lose insurance, like, say, a Great Recession that caused roughly 9 million in job losses, many of the new jobs part time without benefits. So it's pretend - the GOP say the words but then throw the cancer survivors to the wolves.

Besides, obviously the 'drop off the rolls' penalty - you're f'ed forever - is a mandate by another name. And once you pass 90 days, even if a cancer survivor WANTS to do the right thing, they cannot because no insurer will touch them. So your preference only works for those families who suffer no real financial hardship and medical problem, ever, over a lifetime - their only hope is they get a job with benefits, which are decreasing every year.

Edit to add - your preferred plan also requires pretty substantial minimum standards, or else the young get a mini-me plan that's cheap as dirt, then when they get sick, switch over to a full blown insurance policy that actually COVERS stuff. If that's allowed, you pool all the sick in those good plans, and the healthy and young in catastrophic or worthless 'insurance' that doesn't cover cancer or heart disease or hospitalization, and premiums for real insurance spiral upwards, and more drop,etc.
 
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No matter how the Trumpettes try to spin this, it was a huge defeat for their Orange hued leader. Bigly.

For Trump, no closing this deal - CNNPolitics.com

This story relies on accounts from more than two dozen administration officials, congressional staffers and Republicans close to the health care process. It recounts the chaotic period of brinkmanship, improvisation and disappointment that unfolded as the Republican Party -- yet again, but for the first time with its newly minted Republican President -- turned against itself.

The debacle raises a very real question as Republicans pledge to move onto other equally ambitious Trump agenda items -- like tax reform, an even heavier lift than Obamacare. Can Republicans actually govern?

Short answer---no.

They are the party of slogans and memes and just saying no. They lack the skills to get to "yes." Getting to yes requires compromise. And, anyone who has been paying even one lick of attention during the past 8 years knows that the GOP has completely lost the art of compromise, perhaps even for good. When you can't even compromise with the people in your own party, it's rather telling.
 
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Tell ya what.
If you or I were Speaker with a Democrat majority and Obama as President pushing a Socialized Healthcare Bill, we'd get it passed also.
In that case the Democrat Party fell both in love and in line and was happy to do it.
That's the story of the Democrat Party.
They are ideologically focused.
There's no division and no chance of division.
Even the balls out Socialist wing will comply.

Yeah, that's just laughably ignorant of history and a Rush Limbaugh worthy caricature of the Democratic party that's entirely made up. And instead of admitting that she did her job well, because she did, claiming that anyone could, except for Boehner and Ryan, who have excuses, I guess, because IOKIYAR. :roll:
 
Sorry thats accurate history. Turn off MSNBC.

If I watched cable news, I could but IMO most of it makes people stupider. And to claim they wrote it in secret ignores the months of hearings, debates, votes on amendments, thousands of articles on the progress, etc..... That's just for starters.
 
Which makes it odd that there would have been no democrat votes for the healthcare bill Ryan just tried to push. It was not a repeal bill. it was actually an attempt to repair Obamacare. I don't think the RINOs in the republican congress had any intention of repealing Obamacare.

Repealing obamacare isn't repairing it. That's like I saying "I fixed my Honda, I bought a Ford." The bill was "phase two," the "fixes" were supposedly going to be improvised. How many Republicans favored the ACA and how many are against it now? Yet Americans like it better than what we had before. In other words, you and the GOP seem to have some differences with the American people. Differences a lot of conservatives refuse to accept.
 
Which makes it odd that there would have been no democrat votes for the healthcare bill Ryan just tried to push. It was not a repeal bill. it was actually an attempt to repair Obamacare. I don't think the RINOs in the republican congress had any intention of repealing Obamacare.

...an attempt to repair the PPACA would have involved people that crafted the PPACA (in the drafting of the bill). This was a feeble attempt by the Cons to get credit for "Repeal and Replace" without the consequences (so they thought) of repeal and replace. Now they have different consequences without credit.

They cons would have faced the consequences, as millions would have lost health insurance and millions would have been suckered into sketchy policies that were not real insurance. It was a bad bill because it was ill-conceived. They did themselves a favor by pulling it.
 
'Ya know, I just have to say this. I've always been in favor of one party owning one chamber of Congress, and the other party owning the other chamber because I happen to be a big fan of gridlock. When the government is unable to get work done, it usually means that the country is screwed less. However, with Republicans in complete control, I am pleasantly surprised that the results are even better. :)
 
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In one of the late conferences with GOP policy holdouts Trump argued, "forget the little s...", meaning the provisions the law. Vote yes, he said, because a defeat on the bill will make me look bad and hurt my chances at reelection.

Could there be a bigger a..h...?
 
Wow, the revisionist history is already starting. Trump met with the Freedom Caucus as late as Thursday. Earlier in the week he threatened to go after Meadows. Turns out treating them like children and public threats that if effective make them look like weak cowards for responding to don't work well for those guys.

How the House Freedom Caucus Dominated Trump on Health Care - The New Yorker

The so-called insurgents, the freedom caucus, are the biggest single reason the GOP regained control of the House of representatives in 2010 and has maintained control since then. They are the actual conservatives in the House of Reps who are simply attempting to hold the republicans to the republican platform they vote on and approve every four years at convention time. The establishment types have just been using the tenets of the platform as talking points around election time and then forgetting about them. The freedom caucus actually listens to it's constituents. Boehner is gone because he attempted to ignore them or punish them if they did not vote the way he told them to. Evidently Ryan did not learn anything from what happened to Boehner and Trump has a learning curve when it comes to working with his own party in congress. You do not threaten or attempt to marginalize the freedom caucus and expect to pass meaningful legislation. Members of the freedom caucus actually take their campaign promises and their constituents seriously.
 
Well, they could have passed a Freedom Caucus friendly bill that eviscerated Medicaid and would cause even more funding cuts for poor red states and millions more than Ryan's plan without insurance, but it's not clear that's a better option as it would be DOA in the Senate and if passed into law would be the Democrats' dream come true for 2018 and 2020.

They could have done something novel.....like consensus building, rather then just popping up weeks ago with a bill they had kept hidden and then telling everyone in effect: "It's this bill or you are stuck with Obamacare!" , then dropping the goal of repealing obamacare altogether after that failed. it took the democrats roughly a year to get their monstrosity passed. The republicans could have invested more then a few weeks.

BTW, if you had someone of Pelosi's skill as speaker, the GOP would have a bill sitting in the Senate right now.

As a speaker that bimbo had absolutely no skill. She has never been anything more then an ATM machine for democrat house members. She is good at drawing donations to democrat house members. other then that, she is a freaking embarrasment.
 
I doubt that. According to RCP averages 48.0 favor Obamacare while 43.8 oppose

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law

But 51% favor repeal to 43.8 against.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Repeal of Health Care Law: Favor/Oppose

Talk about mixed signals from the public.

Sorry. You lose me when you even mention RealclearPolitics That is the silly group that gave Trump about a 16% chance of becoming president, even weeks before the election. I do not take them seriously.
 
It's not odd at all that Democrats wouldn't sign onto a bill that cuts funding by over a $trillion and CBO projects will result in 24 million fewer uninsured.

And my guess is the RINOs have a lot of poor people in their states and they have been elected in part to represent them, and throwing 500,000 off insurance isn't the job they were elected to do. Most importantly - we promise to cover 25 million fewer people and those with insurance have worse coverage, with old people hit really hard! were not the promises made to voters.

Obamacare threw 8 million off the health insurance rolls and I am one of them. As for the CBO scores, I do not take them seriously only the final version of a bill. The Rinocare(obamacare-lite) bill never made it to that point.
 
Repealing obamacare isn't repairing it. That's like I saying "I fixed my Honda, I bought a Ford." The bill was "phase two," the "fixes" were supposedly going to be improvised. How many Republicans favored the ACA and how many are against it now? Yet Americans like it better than what we had before. In other words, you and the GOP seem to have some differences with the American people. Differences a lot of conservatives refuse to accept.

Nice spin, however most of us can work out that Americans did not suddenly begin to favor Obamacare the day Ryan started pushing alleged repeal and replace. The pollsters simply weighed their polling methods to get the desired result just as they had when they predicted that Hillary Von Pantsuit would be the next president.
 
They could have done something novel.....like consensus building, rather then just popping up weeks ago with a bill they had kept hidden and then telling everyone in effect: "It's this bill or you are stuck with Obamacare!" , then dropping the goal of repealing obamacare altogether after that failed. it took the democrats roughly a year to get their monstrosity passed. The republicans could have invested more then a few weeks.

But you avoided the point - if they gave the FC what they want, it's a disaster for the party, and a dream come true for Democrats.

As a speaker that bimbo had absolutely no skill. She has never been anything more then an ATM machine for democrat house members. She is good at drawing donations to democrat house members. other then that, she is a freaking embarrasment.

LOL, that's ignorant of history and obviously a symptom of right wing delusion. The GOP wishes they had a speaker 1/4 as effective.

And "bimbo?" Come on - she's a grandmother for goodness sakes. :roll:
 
Obamacare threw 8 million off the health insurance rolls and I am one of them. As for the CBO scores, I do not take them seriously only the final version of a bill. The Rinocare(obamacare-lite) bill never made it to that point.

Ok, I'd like to see your data. Cite please?
 
Sorry. You lose me when you even mention RealclearPolitics That is the silly group that gave Trump about a 16% chance of becoming president, even weeks before the election. I do not take them seriously.

Right, it's polling data, which you ignore unless it says what you want to say, then it's evidence of your point. Much like all other data.

FWIW, the link has polls from various outlets, including Fox and Rasmussen - 5 in total.
 
Sorry. You lose me when you even mention RealclearPolitics That is the silly group that gave Trump about a 16% chance of becoming president, even weeks before the election. I do not take them seriously.

It's the same group that said Hillary would win the popular by 3 points with a margin of error of plus or minus 3 points. She won the popular vote by 2.1 points. RCP was less than a single point off. You can't get much better than that. RCP does the popular vote nationwide, so they were saying Trump had 16% of a chance of winning the popular vote. Guess what, he lost the popular vote.

Do not equate the electoral college with the popular vote, they are two different animals. Without the electoral college, Hillary would be president today. Fact is RCP was right on the number.
 
But you avoided the point - if they gave the FC what they want, it's a disaster for the party, and a dream come true for Democrats.

I really don't care how the democrats feel about it. I see the democrats as adults with the minds of children. I only care about what gets passed or does not get passed.


LOL, that's ignorant of history and obviously a symptom of right wing delusion. The GOP wishes they had a speaker 1/4 as effective.

And "bimbo?" Come on - she's a grandmother for goodness sakes. :roll:

The bimbo needs to ride off into the sunset and be a grandmother. If she were all that effective as a speaker, she would still be the speaker. She is one of the biggest single reasons the democrats lost control of the House. Having said that, I do wish the GOP had an effective speaker. The last effective speaker they had was Newt Gingrich, however he eventually went soft.
 
Right, it's polling data, which you ignore unless it says what you want to say, then it's evidence of your point. Much like all other data.

FWIW, the link has polls from various outlets, including Fox and Rasmussen - 5 in total.

I am not impressed. RealClearPolitics averages polls.....you know...those same polls that predicted that Madame Hillary Von Pantsuit would be our next president? Even the pollsters admitted that they got it wrong. They were weighting their polls based on previous election models and completely missed out on the populist movement that elected Trump.
 
It's the same group that said Hillary would win the popular by 3 points with a margin of error of plus or minus 3 points. She won the popular vote by 2.1 points. RCP was less than a single point off. You can't get much better than that. RCP does the popular vote nationwide, so they were saying Trump had 16% of a chance of winning the popular vote. Guess what, he lost the popular vote.

Do not equate the electoral college with the popular vote, they are two different animals. Without the electoral college, Hillary would be president today. Fact is RCP was right on the number.

Fact is that RCP claimed that Trump stood about a 16% chance of getting elected president. And it is the electoral college that picks the winner. The pollsters including RCP predicted that Hillary Von Pantsuit would win the states she needed to win to become president. that she padded he national vote total in alt-left california is meaningless. Instead of fainting and coughing in the white house, she is fainting and coughing in New York.
 
I really don't care how the democrats feel about it. I see the democrats as adults with the minds of children. I only care about what gets passed or does not get passed.




The bimbo needs to ride off into the sunset and be a grandmother. If she were all that effective as a speaker, she would still be the speaker. She is one of the biggest single reasons the democrats lost control of the House. Having said that, I do wish the GOP had an effective speaker. The last effective speaker they had was Newt Gingrich, however he eventually went soft.


I suppose you see this as adult behavior..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

To add insult to injury you will know he went to extreme lengths to claim he was merely being "expressive" despite the fact he has never been seen to be that "expressive" in other times.

You guys bought a pig in a poke. Any criticism you try to lay on Democrats appears to be more True with Trump. And he's the one in power, the one who's making the decisions, if you can call them that.

And none of the Trump army of apologists in here has been able to answer the question of whether Trump has met Putin as he has claimed to be best buddies, had a nice huddle with Putin in Moscow during the Miss Universe pageant, but since entering the election has consistently denied any contact.

If you could take a short break from slandering Democrats and answer that burning question we may not doubt and dispute every word he and his supports say.

Frankly, from my perspective and seeing these boobs in action the Democrats are actually starting to look good.
 
Trump may be the first to be a lame duck while his party controls both Congressional houses.

Think that if it helps you sleep at night, however he is getting alot done. He is building the wall. The Keystone Pipeline will now go ahead. Funding will be cut to the UN. Even though the Rinocare bill Ryan proposed failed, he is still neutering Obamacare. The mandate is not being enforced. Our NATO partners are now coughing up funds to take on their share of military expenses.We have pulled out of a bad trade deal. Despite mucking up Obamacare Repeal, he is getting positive things done.
 
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