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Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source says

Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

Trump 'compromising' claims: How and why did we get here? - BBC News

"Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.

Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.


Neither Mr Trump nor his associates are named in the Fisa order, which would only cover foreign citizens or foreign entities - in this case the Russian banks. But ultimately, the investigation is looking for transfers of money from Russia to the United States, each one, if proved, a felony offence.
A lawyer- outside the Department of Justice but familiar with the case - told me that three of Mr Trump's associates were the subject of the inquiry. "But it's clear this is about Trump," he said.
I spoke to all three of those identified by this source. All of them emphatically denied any wrongdoing. "Hogwash," said one. "Bull****," said another. Of the two Russian banks, one denied any wrongdoing, while the other did not respond to a request for comment.
The investigation was active going into the election. During that period, the leader of the Democrats in the Senate, Harry Reid, wrote to the director of the FBI, accusing him of holding back "explosive information" about Mr Trump."

Again...not saying what did or didnt transpire between Trump, Trumps campaign, or Russia. Thats a seperate issue. But to deny the Obama administration did not actively seek and was eventually awarded a FISA warrant to target specific members of the Trump campaign...thats just dishonest. Now...no...there is no evidence that Obama slipped on coveralls and did the actual wiretapping. I dont know if there is proof that Obama himself directed Lynch to do it. We DO know it was done by his head of the DOJ. I suppose you can take the position that Loretta Lynch...the woman that after the election called for bloody resistance angainst Trump...was not somehow reporting to or acting for and on behalf of Obama...but he still owns it as the Chief of the Executive Branch and Lynch's boss.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

I realize that there is an ongoing attempt to Conflate two wholly different actions by those who would sell Out their country for partisan reasons.

That is a great description of what democrats have been up to since last summer.

That includes most of the Right Wing hacks here who think this is like a Hockey Game, and just keep rooting for their team.

Democrats are delusional if they think in anyway that they are going to get conservatives behind their efforts to smear, and tar the current administration.

From Abortion to Climate, Healthcare to Trump Lies/Treason: we pre-know where they stand on every issue.

Explain the "treason" to me please.

'Republicans' even switching sides on Russia for GOP loyalty.

Switching sides...Hmmmm that's a good one....Remember this?

 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

And there it is!
Ironic as it gets.
Conflating people caught up in Incidental Foreign agent surveillance with "Obama Wiretapped Trump Tower."
That surveillance did unexpectedly yield a whole Cast of Trump campaign guys! and subsequently spawned additional investigation.
Thanks
Bye!

Who ordered the names "unmasked" mbig? Care to guess?
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

I think the only smoking gun is the effort by Trump supporters to Justify Trump's lies. Which is now becoming a smoking cannon.
You only 'think' that because you want it to be so. Which means you arent really 'thinking' at all. BBC, NYT, CNN, The Washington Post, McClatchy, CBS News...all have presented documented reports showing the Obama administration spying on specifically identified individuals in the Trump campaign. ALL reported from November 2016-Feb 2017.

I suspect that there is NOTHING that will convince you of the facts. In order for that to happen you would have to be willing to see even the possibility of the truth.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

I think the only smoking gun is the effort by Trump supporters to Justify Trump's lies. Which is now becoming a smoking cannon.

I know this is the typical "fingers in the ears, while singing la, la, la" approach....see, you think that by simply saying "Trump's lies" that they are indeed lies, or that it is fact...When in reality, it is just rhetorical, intentional mischaracterization, smearing BS.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

I realize that there is an ongoing attempt to Conflate two wholly different actions by those who would sell Out their country for partisan reasons. That includes most of the Right Wing hacks here who think this is like a Hockey Game, and just keep rooting for their team.
From Abortion to Climate, Healthcare to Trump Lies/Treason: we pre-know where they stand on every issue.
'Republicans' even switching sides on Russia for GOP loyalty.
Really? You really want to write such a post?

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ContentLess BS.
No rebuttal.
Non-conversant trolling.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

You only 'think' that because you want it to be so. Which means you arent really 'thinking' at all. BBC, NYT, CNN, The Washington Post, McClatchy, CBS News...all have presented documented reports showing the Obama administration spying on specifically identified individuals in the Trump campaign. ALL reported from November 2016-Feb 2017.

I suspect that there is NOTHING that will convince you of the facts. In order for that to happen you would have to be willing to see even the possibility of the truth.

I don't mind Trump supporters trying to justify Trumps lies. Im used to it already.

He lies so much and they justify so much it's the new normal.
 
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ContentLess BS.
No rebuttal.
Non-conversant trolling.

I asked you about your post. No trolling, just a question, and then a comment on your post in the form of a picture.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

I don't mind Trump supporters trying to justify Trumps lies. Im used to it already.

He lies so much and they justify so much it's the new normal.
Oh theres no doubt...he throws plenty of ****bombs out there. Thats not the point. There is evidence right in front of you but you PROUDLY declare you have your head shoved in the....ummmmm....lets go with 'sand' and wont be pulling it out any time soon.
 
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After all the crap the DNC was caught doing, is there really anyone who doesn't believe this spying/wiretapping was going on? Seriously?

I'll believe it when I see evidence for it.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

As this digs deeper, and deeper there is but one conclusion that a rational person can come to, and that is that the outgoing Obama administration surveilled the incoming Trump administration. In an unprecidented move the last days of the Obama administration, the former President signed an order spreading sharing of this type of information to 16 separate government agencies.

Now, why do this? And my personal conclusion is that long before President Trump was elected democrats started planting the premise that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia in the publishing of revealed DNC, and Podesta emails that embarrassed the Clinton campaign, and damaged her weak campaign for President, even though top intelligence services have stated repeatedly that these revelations had "NO effect on the outcome of the vote." they have continued with selective leaks of information to carefully craft the story line, in hopes of finding something no matter how ridiculous to tie to the story line that Trump colluded with Russia.

This is why they keep trying at every turn to ask for a "special prosecutor"... They know full well, that when that happens, democrats can sit back and let said SP go forth and find anything even if it is a process charge that has nothing to do with the original reason for investigations....It is after all what happened with Libby in the Bush WH, and they are wishing for that here. I hope Republican's are dumb enough to let that happen.

Now, why is this surveillance most likely ordered from the WH in some fashion, dangerous....? Well, all I can say is that it isn't what "accepting the results of an election" look like, and it isn't what free countries do in the course of an election. It is more akin to what one might see go on when a leader of some 'banana republic' like Venezuela looses power in their elections. It's 'unAmerican' IMHO.

And sadly, all of this because democrats can not, will not accept that Hillary Clinton lost to Donald Trump.....

Thoughts?

Thoughts? Fox is throwing assloads of noise by lying about this bogus claim to try and divert from covering anything at all about Trump's and trump's team russia connections.
 
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Oh theres no doubt...he throws plenty of ****bombs out there. Thats not the point. There is evidence right in front of you but you PROUDLY declare you have your head shoved in the....ummmmm....lets go with 'sand' and wont be pulling it out any time soon.

Of course that is the point. It is all connected. Trump never admits failure eventhough the world see it.

So Trump supporters must concoct out for him. Instead of holding Trump to universal standards of decency...they go merrily along in his comportment.

Like I said, Im used to it. I got my education during the Access Hollywood Bus ride. I got it with the "locker room talk" defense.

Trump is not smart enough to concoct his own explanations for his own actions or words. Thank God for his supporters.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

Of course that is the point. It is all connected. Trump never admits failure eventhough the world see it.

So Trump supporters must concoct out for him. Instead of holding Trump to universal standards of decency...they go merrily along in his comportment.

Trump is not smart enough to concoct his own explanations for his own actions or words. Thank God for his supporters.
Nope...he doesnt. And neither do people like you. Do you have the capacity to see just how much you are like him?
 
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Thoughts? Fox is throwing assloads of noise by lying about this bogus claim to try and divert from covering anything at all about Trump's and trump's team russia connections.

Keep clinging to that meme....It's going to be proven as subterfuge soon enough...
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

Of course that is the point. It is all connected. Trump never admits failure eventhough the world see it.

So Trump supporters must concoct out for him. Instead of holding Trump to universal standards of decency...they go merrily along in his comportment.

Like I said, Im used to it. I got my education during the Access Hollywood Bus ride. I got it with the "locker room talk" defense.
Trump is not smart enough to concoct his own explanations for his own actions or words. Thank God for his supporters.

Well, according to detractors, the only "universal standards of decency" that would satisfy you and others would be for Trump to resign.....It's just not rooted in reality.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

Thoughts? Fox is throwing assloads of noise by lying about this bogus claim to try and divert from covering anything at all about Trump's and trump's team russia connections.
https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/
Trump 'compromising' claims: How and why did we get here? - BBC News

NOT Fox. And they arent alone. From Nov to Feb 2017 CNN, NYT, and others all reported on the wiretapping WITH FISA warrants sought by the Obama JD and granted.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

Keep clinging to that meme....It's going to be proven as subterfuge soon enough...

As with email and benghazi, no evidence is necessary with you folks.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

As with email and benghazi, no evidence is necessary with you folks.

Still stings that democrats including Hillary set up our ambassador, and brave American's to die, then with a wave of the hand dismissed it as casually as if they tripped on the sidewalk....They should be ashamed of that, instead, proud democrats like yourself use it as some kind of tortured analogy....Sad.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/
Trump 'compromising' claims: How and why did we get here? - BBC News

NOT Fox. And they arent alone. From Nov to Feb 2017 CNN, NYT, and others all reported on the wiretapping WITH FISA warrants sought by the Obama JD and granted.

Heatst I couldn't give a **** less about that partisan rag.

BBC... I found nothing in that link about wire tapping.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

I'm guessing someone is going to pipe in soon with something like, "Why were his guys talking to so many foreigners, hmmmmmm???"

No the question is why were those clowns talking to Russian agents while those very agents were running an cyber assault on our election? I would love to hear a answer that does not make them criminals and yes TRAITORS. I can't think of one.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

I'd be looking hard at Ben Rhodes....
Frankly, I'd be looking at Lynch. Its inane and insane to see her actions throughout her term at the DoJ and NOT recognize her purely political bent. And her actions SINCE the election just cement the understanding of WHAT she is.

Unless there is some evidence shredding...I suspect at some point this will all have to come out. Who requested what. Who leaked what. I'm all for it. And if the evidence shows Trump is guilty? Let him dangle. But if the evidence doesnt I expect the left to fully exonerate him...maybe even apologize to him and.... :lamo ...sorry...I crack myself up sometimes...
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

Frankly, I'd be looking at Lynch. Its inane and insane to see her actions throughout her term at the DoJ and NOT recognize her purely political bent. And her actions SINCE the election just cement the understanding of WHAT she is.

Unless there is some evidence shredding...I suspect at some point this will all have to come out. Who requested what. Who leaked what. I'm all for it. And if the evidence shows Trump is guilty? Let him dangle. But if the evidence doesnt I expect the left to fully exonerate him...maybe even apologize to him and.... :lamo ...sorry...I crack myself up sometimes...

That was funny....You may be right....The bottom line here is that under the Obama administration, whether through his DoJ, or advisers close to him, he presided over an unprecedented abuse of power in using his administration to undermine, and attack an opposing party administration....It is just not worthy of American politics, and he unseats Carter as the WORST president in history....
 
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Heatst I couldn't give a **** less about that partisan rag.

BBC... I found nothing in that link about wire tapping.
Heatstreet is a liberal 'rag' but they also quote numerous sources in their article inclduing the NYT and Slate (wait...you think those are rags too...right?). Their article appeared the day before the electiona nd long before Trumps tweeted claims. The BBC disclosed the DoJs repeated efforts to secure FISA warrants with the ultimate goal of spying on at least 3 people connected to Trumps campaign. History proved they not only collected that data but someone leaked that data in a political smear...also a month before Trumps Tweeted claims.
 
Re: Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source

Thoughts? Fox is throwing assloads of noise by lying about this bogus claim to try and divert from covering anything at all about Trump's and trump's team russia connections.

Rob-- How do you suppose any of this Russia connection comes to pass?

Its because the Obama Admin was investigating the Trump campaign. No reason to believe me--- both Trump and Clapper have said this (and both have said they had seen no evidence of any connection).

And thats the problem-- to say that there is a connection requires a concession that the Obama admin investigated the Trump campaign.
 
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