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Trump administration approves Keystone XL pipeline

reinoe said:
Typical liberal...

You expect the government to just dispose of steel that's already been purchased? You should be outraged that Obama approved of the purchase of that non-American made steel and praising Trump for demanding only U.S. Steel be used in the future.
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Your Dear Leader needs to refrain from making promises he can't deliver.
This isn't about partisanship. This isn't about Obama, as much as you'd like it to be.
This has nothing to do with anything other than Trump's complete lack of integrity.
 
americanwoman said:
I don't think it's the end of the world, I just don't agree with something that has the potential to harm people's drinking water.

If you don't agree with eminent domain, then you should fight it, not just roll over and say it's okay because the Supreme Court ruled in favor. If that was the case, you'd never hear from any pro-lifers.

As far as the history, per the link: The proposed route crosses the historic Ponca Trail of Tears and to date the Tribal Nations in Nebraska and South Dakota have not been properly consulted.
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1. Do you want to ban farming and windmills? How much hog **** is produced in Nebraska every year? Livestock waste is a bigger threat to the environment that a pipeline.

2. I don't have money for a lawyer.

3. There's nothing there to be destroyed.
 
Master PO said:
2017 - u.s. government planned creation of new monument to be named Mount Rushmore, but cannot due to protest over environmental concerns.
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I would hope there would be opposition to Mount Rushmore in this day and age, given the history of the area.

Native Americans and Mount Rushmore . Mount Rushmore . WGBH American Experience | PBS

The insult of Rushmore to some Sioux is at least three-fold:

1. It was built on land the government took from them. 2. The Black Hills in particular are considered sacred ground. 3.The monument celebrates the European settlers who killed so many Native Americans and appropriated their land.
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But who cares about Native land. :roll:
 
americanwoman said:
Trump administration approves Keystone XL pipeline | Fox News

Too bad. I really hope Nebraska keeps fighting, considering all the risks.

Keystone XL Fact Sheet | Bold Nebraska
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The oil is already being moved by rail and is less reliable than pipelines. Pipelines are the most reliable method out there and we have thousands upon thousands of miles of them. It's riskier not to do it.

The most likely greatest environmental impact on the area is what was caused by the protesters.
 
TheGoverness said:
No, that's not my point. Trump said that this project will create 28K jobs, but that's just being disingenuous. He doesn't mention the fact that only 30-50 of those jobs will actually be permanent.

The supposed "economic benefit" this is supposed to bring is not worth the risk.
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ALL road construction jobs are temporary. Do road jobs benefit the economy?
 
apdst said:
1. Do you want to ban farming and windmills? How much hog **** is produced in Nebraska every year? Livestock waste is a bigger threat to the environment that a pipeline.

2. I don't have money for a lawyer.

3. There's nothing there to be destroyed.
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Pig farms? You must be thinking of Iowa, not Nebraska.
 
Jack Hays said:
Court decisions say otherwise.
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I know. They effectively changed the phrase public use to public benefit. Public use means it is open to use by the public, while public benefit means that all it has to do is benefit the public.
 
Re: Trump administration approves Keystone XL pipeline
americanwoman; et al,

THIS is an extremely valid concern.

americanwoman said:
--- However in Nebraska, even though I live in a city, we mostly rely on our agriculture and we have the Ogallala Aquifer. If there was a spill in Nebraska it's a risk to our huge agriculture economy and possibly contaminate our water. I simply don't want to take that risk. You can disagree with that but I am trying to just keep our natural resources clean.
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Given the danger to the breadbasket of America, the Stakeholders and Executives should be held totally and indefensibly liable by federal law (pushed through by the Congressmen, Senators and State Governor) for damage done due to the inability (no matter the cost) to respond quickly and effectively to pipeline emergencies. The Federal Law should be crafted such that the responsible commercial authorities for the pipeline must register with the State and that the restitution must begin immediately and maintained until the effected region is made whole again.

Now, if the Risk Assessment is as reasonable as claimed, then the Stakeholders (et al) should not have any problem agreeing to those provisions. The Federal Government would be the Co-signer to the agreement and a second payer in the event that the Stakeholders find a legal remedy to avoid reparations and restitution.

If these conditions are not put in place, then you need to get new Senators and Congressmen for you state and immediately impeach the Governor for Malfeasance. If the blow you off, then go to the Supreme Court on mass.

Just My Thought,
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americanwoman said:
To Nebraska:

Keystone XL Fact Sheet | Bold Nebraska

All those risks, not mention the bolded. Do you agree a foreign corporation can take private land from Americans?
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I don't know why the eminent domain point wasn't pushed more. I barely heard about it being used. I think that would have had a greater chance at pulling more support over from the right.

I know once I learned about that, my support for the pipeline dropped.
 
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poweRob said:
Gotta let EVRAZ have a shot at getting the bid...

EVRAZ plc (Russian: ЕВРАЗ) is a multinational vertically integrated steel making and mining company headquartered in London, United Kingdom. It has operations mainly in Russia, but also in Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Italy, Czech Republic, the United States, Canada and South Africa.​
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How Trump's connections are coming into play?
 
apdst said:
Nebraska is #8 in the nation, in pork production.
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Yes, I'm not denying we have pig farms, however it's much less than cows or corn production. I guess since we are next to Iowa, which does has the largest, it just seems small by comparison.
 
americanwoman said:
I would hope there would be opposition to Mount Rushmore in this day and age, given the history of the area.

Native Americans and Mount Rushmore . Mount Rushmore . WGBH American Experience | PBS



But who cares about Native land. :roll:
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The Sioux were some of history's deadliest perpetrators of genocide. Long before any white settlers arrived in what is now Illinois, the Sioux had exterminated the Illinois Indians. Much later, the University of Illinois athletic teams adopted the Illinois Indians (Fighting Illini) and Chief Illiniwek as their mascots. Later still, a lawsuit compelled the university to abandon their Illinois Indian reference in Illini and drop Chief Illiniwek. The woman who filed the lawsuit was a Sioux. She thus completed the work of ethnic cleansing begun by her ancestors.
 
Harshaw said:
But it's the same when any other politician speaks of all the "jobs" that will be created through infrastructure spending. Once you build a bridge, dam, or road, those jobs end just the same.
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Governess is right, you're just being painfully obtuse. Those pipelines create temporary jobs, that pack up and leave their previous employees with no income and no benefits. If the same is true of his infrastructure proposal then Trump needs to STFU about the jobs his infrastructure bill will create. What's the chances Trump doesn't foghorn job creation when he introduces an infrastructure spending proposal? A proposal which is condoned now that it's minted in Republican ink.

Trump has led you to believing two false things:
A. That we have rampant unemployment. And he says any data showing Obama-era unemployment decreasing is false, but any data showing Trump reducing unemployment is true. What actually happened? Obama cut Bush's unemployment rate in half, added 9 million jobs, and avoided all out Depression from being given a country on life support.
B. That there's a job crisis. That's a flaming bag of dog ****. Check around your community for jobs in sheet rock, painting, electrical, landscaping, plumbing, hvac, framing. We have a population either unwilling or unable to obtain those jobs. The unwillingness is born out of the distaste of sheet rock or landscaping. It's hard work for low pay. Then on the flip side you need some community college or trade school to go into the higher trades. Where's the incentive for citizen's to get an education?

You want people to get jobs, acknowledge we are coming to the end of the blue collar era. Stop fighting globalization and the free market. The corporations win either way. They leave, they get their low wages, they stay they get giant tax payer subsidies. It remains true infrastructure and pipeline jobs will be temporary jobs. So, who's the liar about jobs Obama or Trump? Your energy is better spent looking forward not backward. These kids today are going to face a post-blue collar world. We are projected 5 million jobs to automation by 2020. That sounds scary but, it's nothing human ingenuity and adaptability can't handle. If you want to equip your kids for the future, don't waste your energy on a blue collar push because in 5 years their jobs will be automated anyway. Warehouses are going to automated forklifts. Entire warehouses with 4-5 employees. What these kids need is training, they need foreign language skills, they need access to computer science education, they need access to job training to repair robotics. But, make no mistake, they need an education and not a job at the steel mill.

Not everything is as it appears with his infrastructure proposal either. His secretary of transportation proposed a toll to pay for rebuilding our broke down roads. This is a regressive tax aimed squarely at America's working class. Rather than disperse the tax burden across all tax-payers his SoT is proposing a regressive tax on the people who use those roads everyday, paid to the corporation that did the work.
 
americanwoman said:
Yes, I'm not denying we have pig farms, however it's much less than cows or corn production. I guess since we are next to Iowa, which does has the largest, it just seems small by comparison.
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Cow **** is no less of a problem than pig ****.

Don't forget the windmills, with their generators leaking oil.
 
Winston said:
Governess is right, you're just being painfully obtuse. Those pipelines create temporary jobs, that pack up and leave their previous employees with no income and no benefits. If the same is true of his infrastructure proposal then Trump needs to STFU about the jobs his infrastructure bill will create. What's the chances Trump doesn't foghorn job creation when he introduces an infrastructure spending proposal? A proposal which is condoned now that it's minted in Republican ink.

Trump has led you to believing two false things:
A. That we have rampant unemployment. And he says any data showing Obama-era unemployment decreasing is false, but any data showing Trump reducing unemployment is true. What actually happened? Obama cut Bush's unemployment rate in half, added 9 million jobs, and avoided all out Depression from being given a country on life support.
B. That there's a job crisis. That's a flaming bag of dog ****. Check around your community for jobs in sheet rock, painting, electrical, landscaping, plumbing, hvac, framing. We have a population either unwilling or unable to obtain those jobs. The unwillingness is born out of the distaste of sheet rock or landscaping. It's hard work for low pay. Then on the flip side you need some community college or trade school to go into the higher trades. Where's the incentive for citizen's to get an education?

You want people to get jobs, acknowledge we are coming to the end of the blue collar era. Stop fighting globalization and the free market. The corporations win either way. They leave, they get their low wages, they stay they get giant tax payer subsidies. It remains true infrastructure and pipeline jobs will be temporary jobs. So, who's the liar about jobs Obama or Trump? Your energy is better spent looking forward not backward. These kids today are going to face a post-blue collar world. We are projected 5 million jobs to automation by 2020. That sounds scary but, it's nothing human ingenuity and adaptability can't handle. If you want to equip your kids for the future, don't waste your energy on a blue collar push because in 5 years their jobs will be automated anyway. Warehouses are going to automated forklifts. Entire warehouses with 4-5 employees. What these kids need is training, they need foreign language skills, they need access to computer science education, they need access to job training to repair robotics. But, make no mistake, they need an education and not a job at the steel mill.

Not everything is as it appears with his infrastructure proposal either. His secretary of transportation proposed a toll to pay for rebuilding our broke down roads. This is a regressive tax aimed squarely at America's working class. Rather than disperse the tax burden across all tax-payers his SoT is proposing a regressive tax on the people who use those roads everyday, paid to the corporation that did the work.
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Almost none of this post has the slightest to do with anything I said. In fact, it's highly bizarre in just how many phantasms you're speaking to here.
 
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