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For the first time, troops from China are marching together with those in Pakistan, in a show of solidarity and strength:

https://www.ft.com/content/a95bab1a-0fc4-11e7-b030-768954394623


Chinese soldiers have marched alongside their Pakistani counterparts in Islamabad for the first time ever, in what is being seen as a “historic” moment that underlines the growing military co-operation between the two Asian countries.

Members of the Chinese army, navy and air force on Thursday took part in*a special military parade in Islamabad in celebration of the day when Muslims in British-ruled India began formally advocating for the creation of a separate country.

While Chinese troops have operated in Pakistan before, they have never previously taken part in a ceremonial parade, something diplomats and military experts said showed how keen China is to deepen its military co-operation with Pakistan. Mamnoon Hussain, Pakistan president, termed China’s participation as a “historic event”. “Both (China and Pakistan) wanted to send a powerful signal [with] troops marching side by side,” said one diplomat.
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Apparently, the Chinese haven't learned the lessons of the Soviet Red Army experience in Afghanistan.
 
It is a strong indication of the fact India is now a strategic partner of the United States.

CCP Dictators in Beijing have given up on good relations with the former and failed Brics group co-member India. The Brics have fallen and so have Indo-CCP ties to include any trust New Delhi had in CCP Dynasty in Beijing.


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A squadron of 8 Pakistani F-17 fighter jets greeted the official plane of Chinese President Xi Jinping on its arrival in Pakistan air space on April 20, 2015 on the first visit by a leader of China to Pakistan in seven years.



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Chinese troops of the PLA and PLA Navy and PLA Air Force march in Islamabad in the Pakistan Republic Day Parade yesterday reviewed by Pakistan President Mamnoon Hussain and the powerful Army Chief of Staff, General Qamar Javed Bajwa.


CCP and India are beefing up their divisions of troops at the Inida Tibet border as Beijing continues to claim the entire northern third of India as Chinese territory historically. In a response India recently created two new divisions of mountain infantry assigned to its border security forces.

Seems everyone around the planet is gearing for a fight at some point before too much longer.
 
Pakistani-Sino relations certainly put America in an awkward position. It may be time to revisit our relationship with India.
 
sanman said:
For the first time, troops from China are marching together with those in Pakistan, in a show of solidarity and strength:

https://www.ft.com/content/a95bab1a-0fc4-11e7-b030-768954394623




Apparently, the Chinese haven't learned the lessons of the Soviet Red Army experience in Afghanistan.
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Well, it's certain that the US did not learn the lessons of the Red Army in Afghanistan. The Red Army needed only a few years to realize they could not prevail. Almost 15 years later the dumb damn Americans are still there. But, I do understand that our goal is not victory, but rather just perpetual military aggression, as it's good for business.

How the Chinese visiting and parading with Pakistani troops has anything to do with Afghanistan, I don't get?
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Pakistani-Sino relations certainly put America in an awkward position. It may be time to revisit our relationship with India.
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You mean it may be time for india to make nice with America
 
I mentioned in my post to the thread India and the U.S. have become formally signed on strategic partners.

This piece is essentially a disapproval complaint of the new USA-India alliance, however, it does state the fact that under India PM Narendra Modi is pro U.S. and anti CCP Dynasty in Beijing.


To Target China, US Further Enhances Military-Strategic Alliance with India

ON DECEMBER 18, 2016 BY ASIF AZIZIN

The dying days of the Obama administration have seen a concerted, bi-partisan drive by the Washington political establishment and the Pentagon to further cement the Indo-US “global strategic partnership.”

Because of its size, proximity to China, commanding geographic position within the Indian Ocean region, and rapidly expanding military power and ambitions, India has long been viewed by the strategists of US...as a key element in Washington’s military-strategic offensive against China.

Under Obama—particularly in the two-and-a-half years since Narendra Modi and his...Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) came to power in New Delhi—Washington has gone a long way to transforming India into a “frontline” state in its confrontation with China.

In August, India allowed US warplanes and battleships to begin making routine use of its military bases and ports for resupply, repair, and rest. The Modi government has adopted the US stance on the South China Sea, [reinforcing] Washington’s claims that China is threatening “freedom of the seas and overflight,” and it has dramatically increased Indian bilateral and trilateral cooperation with Japan and Australia, the principal US allies in the Asia-Pacific.

US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter traveled to New Delhi late last week to finalize details of an agreement designating India a “Major Defense Partner” of the US. This will reportedly give India the same right to buy advanced US weapons and weapons systems as Washington’s treaty allies, including NATO countries, and Japan, Australia and South Korea.

https://astutenews.com/2016/12/18/t...ances-military-strategic-alliance-with-india/


The times they've already changed. CCP Dynasty is not pleased. CCP are in fact rather angry at "The New Triple Alliance" of Japan, USA, India. It has most recently become "The Quad" with the addition of Australia. Also Singapore.


Further, this was last year but the movement and the trend is clear that the U.S. and India are now strategic partners....


U.S. plans naval exercises with India and Japan in Philippine Sea

India, the United States and Japan will hold naval exercises in waters off the northern Philippines near the South China Sea this year, the U.S. military said, a move likely to further raise tensions with China.

Last year, India and the United States expanded their annual naval drills in the Bay of Bengal to include Japan after a gap of eight years, in a move seen as a response to China's growing assertiveness in the region.

Admiral Harry B. Harris, head of the U.S. Pacific Armed Forces Command, said the naval exercise will be held in the northern Philippine Sea [South China Sea] and that Japan will take part. "While some countries seek to bully smaller nations through intimidation and coercion, I note with admiration India's example of peaceful resolution of disputes with your neighbours in the waters of the Indian Ocean, " he said.

Harris said the United States wished to expand the naval exercises it held with India each year into joint operations across the Asia-Pacific.

U.S. plans naval exercises with India and Japan in Philippine Sea | Reuters
 
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Tangmo said:
It is a strong indication of the fact India is now a strategic partner of the United States.

CCP Dictators in Beijing have given up on good relations with the former and failed Brics group co-member India. The Brics have fallen and so have Indo-CCP ties to include any trust New Delhi had in CCP Dynasty in Beijing.


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A squadron of 8 Pakistani F-17 fighter jets greeted the official plane of Chinese President Xi Jinping on its arrival in Pakistan air space on April 20, 2015 on the first visit by a leader of China to Pakistan in seven years.



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Chinese troops of the PLA and PLA Navy and PLA Air Force march in Islamabad in the Pakistan Republic Day Parade yesterday reviewed by Pakistan President Mamnoon Hussain and the powerful Army Chief of Staff, General Qamar Javed Bajwa.


CCP and India are beefing up their divisions of troops at the Inida Tibet border as Beijing continues to claim the entire northern third of India as Chinese territory historically. In a response India recently created two new divisions of mountain infantry assigned to its border security forces.

Seems everyone around the planet is gearing for a fight at some point before too much longer.
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Maybe Americans need to realize we are not the focus of the world and other nations form alliances for more reasons than just war.
 
1750Texan said:
Maybe Americans need to realize we are not the focus of the world and other nations form alliances for more reasons than just war.
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Oh? And what reasons are they? China short on Pakistani quizine are they?
 
1750Texan said:
Maybe Americans need to realize we are not the focus of the world and other nations form alliances for more reasons than just war.
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The Chinese haven't ever had any friends, allies or partners, not over thousands of years.

CCP have only targeted tributary states. If a nation or peoples can't be bought, then Chinese elites require the state pay them. It's always been the way in China.

CCP Dynasty is yet another Chinese dynasty that continues to believe as all Chinese dynasties have believed, i.e., no one can resist an overbearing China. CCP makes the gross and fatal error to believe this includes the United States.

Wrong again.
 
Thoreau72 said:
~ How the Chinese visiting and parading with Pakistani troops has anything to do with Afghanistan, I don't get?
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Was wondering that myself.

Mac77 said:
You mean it may be time for india to make nice with America
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Cheaper and more profitable for India to make contacts with China. There's always been a rivalry and even war but they can do a lot of business together in the future.

What does the US have to offer India though - apart from call centre jobs?
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Cheaper and more profitable for India to make contacts with China. There's always been a rivalry and even war but they can do a lot of business together in the future.

What does the US have to offer India though - apart from call centre jobs?
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India and china are rivals

India and pakistan are bitter rivals

America is the only world power with the capibility of offsetting the chinese to india
 
Mac77 said:
India and china are rivals
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Not always. They cooperate often and historically, religion and arts that are found in China originated in India.

Mac77 said:
India and pakistan are bitter rivals
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Again, not always - in the north and around kashmir yes they are but further south it gets very complex.

Mac77 said:
America is the only world power with the capibility of offsetting the chinese to india
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True, but you have picked an awful and awfully incapable leader to lead you. Not that Clinton was any better, there you deserve our sympathy but don't go fooling yourself that senior military leaders will have any influence on the fool you put into the Whitehouse.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
True, but you have picked an awful and awfully incapable leader to lead you. Not that Clinton was any better, there you deserve our sympathy but don't go fooling yourself that senior military leaders will have any influence on the fool you put into the Whitehouse.
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Not that it matters what you think but you are severely underestimating trump

India and china cannot be bosom buddies because china is an expansionist power allied with india's most bitter enemy Pakistan
 
Mac77 said:
Not that it matters what you think but you are severely underestimating trump

India and china cannot be bosom buddies because china is an expansionist power allied with india's most bitter enemy Pakistan
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LOL, the guy is a liability. He just spent a few weeks irritating China and his modern day Goebbels (Bannon) has already sparked worry with his comments about Asians and South Asians heading Silicon Valley companies.

When a white supremacist like Steven Bannon publicly grumbles about South Asians heading Silicon Valley corporations, the echoes of Church are unmistakable.
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If you think Trump is good for India you are in for a shock | columns | Hindustan Times
 
Jredbaron96 said:
It takes two to tango.
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The music has been playing for several years now.


Ties With India Have Reached New Height Under President Obama

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Prime Minister Narendra Modi with US President Barack Obama on the lawns of Hyderabad House in New Delhi during Mr Obama's visit in January, 2015. (Press Trust of India)


WASHINGTON: The US-India relationship has reached a new height under the Obama Administration as the two countries have forged landmark partnerships in several key areas like defence and energy, a top US diplomat has said.

"We have carried our relationship with India to new heights, forging landmark partnerships on clean energy, higher education and defence cooperation," Deputy Secretary of State Antony Blinken told a Washington audience yesterday.

"In January, when President (Barack) Obama attended Republic Day celebrations in New Delhi as Prime Minister (Narendra) Modi's honoured guest, he was the first American president to do so," Dr Blinken said in his remarks at the Center for a New American Security, a US think-tank.

Ties With India Have Reached New Height Under President Obama, Says Top US Diplomat


The times they're already a-changed.
 
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Mac77 said:
Your frivilous complaints about trump and bannon are no more valuable than liberal assurance that trump could not possibly be elected president
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Surrender noted.
 
Jredbaron96 said:
Pakistani-Sino relations certainly put America in an awkward position. It may be time to revisit our relationship with India.
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I'm not worried. the world is just shifting to a multi-polar arrangement, where instead of one or 2 superpowers, you now have regional powers. I'm OK with that.
 
danarhea said:
I'm not worried. the world is just shifting to a multi-polar arrangement, where instead of one or 2 superpowers, you now have regional powers. I'm OK with that.
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The present multi-polar world has produced a Balkanization on all the continents. The divisions and alignments are predicated in ethnicity, religion, nationalism and other historically negative factors and forces. Powerfully negative lead by the single-party states.

Donald Trump and Bannon are feeding this beast. CCP Dynasty in Beijing are poking and aggravating it on all continents and on the seas. Looking up we see now a bad moon and not much more than that.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
Was wondering that myself.



Cheaper and more profitable for India to make contacts with China. There's always been a rivalry and even war but they can do a lot of business together in the future.

What does the US have to offer India though - apart from call centre jobs?
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They can share sports, money, trade, military. America can learn to market their flair instead of invading it with entrepreneurs with some tycoons in the dog sled. India might be ripe for American Arms sales.
 
dirtpoorchris said:
They can share sports, money, trade, military. America can learn to market their flair instead of invading it with entrepreneurs with some tycoons in the dog sled. India might be ripe for American Arms sales.
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Washington has awarded India with Nato equivalent status on arms purchases. India has agreed to accept U.S. military personnel and assets for R&R and resupply, maintenance, stockpiling of reserve assets and the like.

India, U.S. and Japan will do Naval exercises together in a couple of weeks.

A lot of Americans seem not to recognize U.S. and India have signed formal strategic partnership agreements. Or that India Prime Minister Narendra Modi is an admirer and supporter of the U.S. He has ditched the long standing non-alignment of India and its aloof posture in regional and international relations. Modi is on the side of the U.S. Have no doubt about it.

Many also haven't got the word India and CCP China are estranged and increasingly antagonistic and even hostile in their mutual attitudes. What CCP began to call the "New Triple Alliance" of U.S. Japan and India has recently become "The Quad" with the addition of Australia. Also Singapore which has long been a strong partner of the United States militarily and diplomatically.

Nobody likes CCP. Nobody supports 'em either (except for Cambodia and Laos but that's it). Oh, and North Korea. And Zimbabwe.

The Brics have long since fallen. They're scattered and they're smashed.
 
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dirtpoorchris said:
~ India might be ripe for American Arms sales.
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India tend to only buy when foreign suppliers build factories, employs locals and creates those arms in India. That won't sit well with "bringing jobs back to the US."

Mac77 said:
You wish

All you is how much you hate trump but your understaning of geo politics is very limited
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You already surrendered. No need for more foolish statements.
 
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