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No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump[W:400]******

Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Middleground said:
Exactly. They spent 8 years bitching and whining about the "monstrosity" called Obamacare, and didn't put in any time whatsoever in finding ways to improve it and make it work better for more Americans. If only they put as much passion into bettering it rather than trying to repel it. They should truly hang their collective heads in shame as it is truly embarrassing.
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They did not suffer from a lack of a solution. They suffered from too many solutions, and could not unite around one.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Perhaps so.
What do you think Trump was doing when he said what he said? Is it partisan politics to point out that he makes statements he doesn't mean all the time?
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You should be honest and admit you are only playing partisan politics and that's it. The reason this country never gets anywhere is the the rabid left and the rabid right keep on shooting at each other and the innocents in the middle have to pay the price.
 
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Top Cat said:
It's a rather ginormous failure yes. 8 years of bitching about it and they come up with ****.
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Which side are you on? First you attack the right for wanting to repeal and replace Obamacare and then you attack the right for not being able to do it.
 
Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Middleground said:
Exactly. They spent 8 years bitching and whining about the "monstrosity" called Obamacare, and didn't put in any time whatsoever in finding ways to improve it and make it work better for more Americans. If only they put as much passion into bettering it rather than trying to repel it. They should truly hang their collective heads in shame as it is truly embarrassing.
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Obamacare is too fundamentally flawed to fix.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
:lamo:lamo:lamo

You wouldn't know objectivity if it bit you on the balls.

Your country has been ruined by the voters, people like you who will defend vile filth rather than lose to a Republican. Bill Clinton committed a felony, lying under oath...and people like you kept on supporting the Clintons through 16 years!

He got away with lying so Dubya knew he could when he told us about "weapons of mass destruction', and because of that Obama got away with "you can keep your plan".

So now we get.....

**** where do I start with Trump's lies?
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1980's Leveraged buyout craze destroyed pension funds and long term security for the working/middle class.

Military build up took a modest military budget and turned into a trillion-dollar per year monster we endure to this day

Covert wars of aggression all over South America destabilized that continent and turned it to drug manufacturing

Osama Bin Laden was a Reagan creation as he armed him and his Jihadists to fight the Russians in Afghanistan

Destruction of unions began under Ronnie starting with Air Traffic Controllers

Deregulation of the S&L industry led to another trillion-dollar debacle and destabilized thee banking industry which eventually led to the crash of 2008.

All are objective proof that the 1980's Reagan created the seeds which grew into the giant the mess we live in today.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
or would be if he only didn't have his parties mixed up.
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Obamacare is collapsing. That's just a fact.
 
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Jack Hays said:
The gods of politics are especially vengeful when they see narrowness and cowardice. The Repubs are courting disaster. They needed to pass the bill and kick the action to the Senate.
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And that would entail blaming Repub Senators as from what I understand it did not have the required 60 votes.
 
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calamity said:
1980's Leveraged buyout craze destroyed pension funds and long term security for the working/middle class.

Military build up took a modest military budget and turned into a trillion-dollar per year monster we endure to this day

Covert wars of aggression all over South America

Osama Bin Laden was a Reagan creation as he armed him and his Jihadists to fight the Russians in Afghanistan

Destruction of unions began under Ronnie starting with Air Traffic Controllers

Deregulation of of the S&L industry led to another trillion-dollar debacle

All are objective proof that the 1980's Reagan created the seeds which grew into the giant the mess we live in today.
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Before I say goodbye forever, I need to point out that you just sent me a wall of words...every one of which is opinion.

Opinions are like assholes; everyone has one, and most of them stink
 
Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Top Cat said:
It's a rather ginormous failure yes. 8 years of bitching about it and they come up with ****.
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Middleground said:
Exactly. They spent 8 years bitching and whining about the "monstrosity" called Obamacare, and didn't put in any time whatsoever in finding ways to improve it and make it work better for more Americans. If only they put as much passion into bettering it rather than trying to repel it. They should truly hang their collective heads in shame as it is truly embarrassing.
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That's the problem. The GOP didn't never wanted to improve it. They only ever wanted to kill it.
 
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calamity said:
1980's Leveraged buyout craze destroyed pension funds and long term security for the working/middle class.

Military build up took a modest military budget and turned into a trillion-dollar per year monster we endure to this day

Covert wars of aggression all over South America destabilized that continent and turned it to drug manufacturing

Osama Bin Laden was a Reagan creation as he armed him and his Jihadists to fight the Russians in Afghanistan

Destruction of unions began under Ronnie starting with Air Traffic Controllers

Deregulation of the S&L industry led to another trillion-dollar debacle and destabilized thee banking industry which eventually led to the crash of 2008.

All are objective proof that the 1980's Reagan created the seeds which grew into the giant the mess we live in today.
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Remind me again that you aren't partisan.
 
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Moderate Right said:
Which side are you on? First you attack the right for wanting to repeal and replace Obamacare and then you attack the right for not being able to do it.
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The right was stupid to take Obamacare on. Now they own it.

Epic fail.
 
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Gina said:
That's the problem. The GOP didn't never wanted to improve it. They only ever wanted to kill it.
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Obamacare is too broken to fix. This lies on the Democrats for passing a law that was so broken that even the left admits that it needs a lot of fixing.
 
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Top Cat said:
The right was stupid to take Obamacare on. Now they own it.

Epic fail.
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They don't own it because it was never repealed and replaced. Thanks for admitting though that Obamacare was a huge disaster created by the Democrats.
 
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Moderate Right said:
Remind me again that you aren't partisan.
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It helps to face the realities. Too few people have the gnads to do that.
 
Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

calamity said:
It helps to face the realities. Too few people have the gnads to do that.
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How can you say that you aren't partisan when you rattle off a bunch of lefty talking points? At least own up to who you are.
 
Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Fearandloathing said:
Before I say goodbye forever, I need to point out that you just sent me a wall of words...every one of which is opinion.

Opinions are like assholes; everyone has one, and most of them stink
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If you want to bury your head in that which everyone has...free country. Ciao.
 
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Moderate Right said:
How can you say that you aren't partisan when you rattle off a bunch of lefty talking points? At least own up to who you are.
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Those are facts. Maybe you should read up on them and at least quit denying reality.
 
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I've never been sold on Ryan ever since he allowed Biden to toy with him in the 2012
VP debate. When he refused to campaign with Trump I even began to dislike him. IMO
he failed on many levels to bring all factions in on his initial plan & in doing so sowed the
seeds for failure. Trump was a good soldier and campaigned nobly for a failed bill.
Next time I hope he relies on someone more reliable than Ryan.
 
Re: No Deal on Health Care Bill After Conservative Meeting With Trump

Dittohead not! said:
Good.

Let them come up with something that works instead of repealing Obamacare just to say they repealed it, when it's being replaced with something worse.
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That's fair. I didn't get the impression that this bill was going to be a significant enough step forward, but cautiously note that it might have been better than an imploding ObamaCare.
 
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Gina said:
Obama acknowledged it wasn't perfect:

How Obama Would Fix Obamacare If Congress Would Let Him | The Huffington Post

https://www.hhs.gov/about/budget/fy2017/budget-in-brief/index.html#budget

It is fixable.
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Just listened to Trump, people should have waited to see Phases 2 and 3. Then why did they not wait and bundle it???
And then to say, who new health care could be so complicated?? Well yeah it is.
Then states OCare is imploding, many will suffer, and refuses to work with Dems to fix it.
Did he not promise all would be covered. Well we know full well, a substantial number of Repubs are not in favor of that.
 
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apdst said:
It was designed to fail. There's no way it can be fixed.
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I agree. Clearly ObamaCare was designed to do only one thing, which is to usher in single payer, and total government control over the electorate's health and healthcare, regardless of how large the percentage of the electorate's objection to it.

'Just more government power and government control will make everything all right'
Who the ****S brilliant idea is this?
 
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